20:00:27 #startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute 20:00:27 Meeting started Mon May 1 20:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:28 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:00:31 The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' 20:00:35 o/ 20:00:37 o/ 20:00:39 o/ 20:01:00 ping jungleboyj, knikolla, jaypipes, mlavalle, spotz, csatari, mrmartin, marst, blancos, smcginnis, trevormc, vkmc, PagliaccisCloud, madorn, kmARC 20:01:05 o/ 20:01:09 sorry guys, I'm slow copy-pasting today 20:01:12 o/ 20:01:13 o/ 20:01:16 o/ 20:01:38 ianychoi: kudos, if you're home! 20:01:40 ildikov: We are just overly excited to be here. ;-) 20:01:52 ildikov, :) 20:01:54 ianychoi: that's very early :/ 20:01:57 o/ 20:03:41 ildikov, I am now in Oslo Norway - it's 10pm not early. I will arrive at Boston on Saturday evening. 20:04:00 ianychoi: ok good, that's survivable 20:04:01 o/ 20:04:06 ianychoi: I thought you had mentioned you were going to be traveling. Hope it was a good trip. 20:04:06 :) 20:04:09 ok, I'm finished hunting down people 20:04:09 Hello :) 20:04:18 so we can start :) 20:04:30 agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings 20:05:07 Hey all doing double meeting 20:05:07 as it wasn't prepared by diablo_rojo this time it's pretty thin, but hopefully we will be still good :) 20:05:14 spotz_: :( 20:05:15 Lol 20:05:21 jungleboyj, hi thank you :) 20:05:23 spotz_: thanks for coming :) 20:05:29 Not as much to do since we are so close. 20:05:30 hey so is diablo_rojo! 20:05:30 #topic Announcements 20:05:47 so we have 38 confirmations so far! 20:05:59 woot 20:06:07 How many were in BCN? 20:06:12 I think that's pretty good, I hope we will have a bit more people showing up 20:06:20 smcginnis: around 70 20:06:41 smcginnis: the outside US ones I think are more popular 20:07:03 smcginnis: we had like less than 20 students in the room in Austin last year for instance 20:07:28 so we start Saturday at 1pm 20:07:29 Hmm, guess that kind of makes sense. 20:07:29 I expect people will show up that didnt register too 20:07:43 diablo_rojo: Probably. 20:07:45 those of you who're around it would be great to catch up for lunch 20:08:13 38 people looks great! 20:08:37 I sent out a mail to all the trainers/mentors I know plan to join 20:09:00 please let me know if you cannot come and you're on the list or if you know anyone who's coming and not on the list 20:09:29 if anyone has a preference on where to meet plz share that too, otherwise, I'll pick one :) 20:10:16 I think I arrive around lunch time, but would love to catch up with everyone if I can make it there in time. 20:10:41 we start at 9am on Sunday, those of you who can join only that day please try to be around from 8:30am in case students with questions show up or just simply to catch up and see how things were going on Saturday and get ready for the day 20:11:03 Yep :_ 20:11:06 :) 20:11:11 I am with smcginnis 20:11:26 smcginnis: jungleboyj: ok, tnx, noted 20:11:30 Literally. 20:11:31 :) 20:11:49 At a minimim if you all could plan to be there 15 min early that would be wonderful- 30 min would be better of course :) 20:12:17 diablo_rojo: +1 20:12:31 diablo_rojo, +1 20:12:44 ok, let's move on 20:12:52 #topic Open Reviews 20:13:18 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides 20:13:31 there are two tiny ones in the training-guides repo 20:13:47 I just pushed one up today to add continued education stuff to the website i.e. onboarding rooms and git and gerrit lunch and learn 20:13:49 one is for the dev enb 20:14:05 and the other is a few pointers to students on the website for the week 20:14:17 we chose the web to make it visible 20:15:27 I have three housekeeping patches for Sandbox: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-dev/sandbox 20:15:53 will merge them and we can play with the deep dive material 20:16:06 hoping that no one will mess it up before the training :) 20:16:16 or well, not drastically at least 20:17:00 plz check the training-guides patches and let's get them merged quickly 20:17:09 if nothing else, then let's move on 20:17:10 If not, it can be a lesson for them in "collaboration". :) 20:17:30 smcginnis, :) 20:17:31 smcginnis: :) 20:17:58 #topic Projects/areas to cover during the training 20:18:11 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/boston-upstream-institute-presenters 20:19:25 so I added there numbers to see how many people we have confirmed for each area 20:19:43 compute, containers and networking are the most popular ones 20:20:28 :-( Need more storage peeps. 20:20:34 we have a few projects not really covered, we can get those guys and girls together and teach them things by picking an area from those we have coverage for 20:20:36 ha! 20:20:37 Containers people are really needed 20:20:54 inc0 never got back with his flights 20:20:59 spotz_: did you finally find someone for containers? 20:21:02 jungleboyj, you and smcginnis will be there so that is something :) 20:21:17 :-) 20:21:19 ildikov: still need his flights 20:21:24 spotz_: do you want me to go and ask or can you follow up? 20:21:26 We will convert people 20:21:31 :) 20:21:41 either or 20:21:56 we should have one person from AT&T that can work on containers. He's just been busy. 20:22:03 is xing going? She could help cover Manila and Cinder too 20:22:04 s/work/help with 20:22:21 diablo_rojo: She is local. She could come down. 20:22:23 trevormc, will they be coming to the summit/be available Sunday? 20:22:37 diablo_rojo: She lives there, isn't planning on coming in until Sunday 20:22:41 We have vkmc on Manila though and I got tdasilva for Swift. 20:22:48 diablo_rojo: They should be. 20:22:58 diablo_rojo: vkmc is coming too 20:23:15 diablo_rojo: I mean we needed more people wanting to learn about storage. :-) 20:23:22 Ah 20:23:23 jungleboyj: +1 20:23:45 let's try not to have that many more mentors in the room than students :) 20:24:01 ildikov: Exactly! ;_0 20:24:04 ;-) 20:24:09 :) 20:24:29 trevormc: 6 interested in Neutron :-) 20:24:43 good not too many! 20:24:43 trevormc, if you can drag them along that would be awesome :) 20:24:45 so we can try to convert the people who didn't say which area they are interested in and a few more for which projects we don't have coverage 20:24:54 ildikov: I'll be happy to be a student. Especially when Jay is around. 20:25:02 so we might have 10 new storage people by the end of the day :) 20:25:17 ildikov: +2 20:25:37 marst: haha, teach by example, how to be a student :) 20:26:09 trevormc: will that AT&T person be around during the weekend? 20:26:27 ildikov: yeah he should be there at least for Sunday. 20:26:30 as a mentor 20:26:49 i'll confirm with him and get back to you if not. 20:26:57 trevormc: we have Brandon on the wiki with Helm 20:27:36 I don't know whether he's your contact or someone else 20:27:42 but either case it would be great if you can confirm 20:27:48 We could just grab people as they check-in to hotels and ask what projects they're on:) 20:28:01 spotz_, lol 20:28:02 as Saturday is more of a generic part Sunday would be more than enough 20:28:08 ildikov: oh, I wasn't aware brandon was going. Larry should be there for Kolla, thats what was listed in the etherpad when we met in Atlanta. 20:28:13 spotz_: lol :) 20:28:13 ildikov, +1 20:28:43 trevormc: I don't know whether he's coming, he signed up to the team only, not for Boston 20:28:54 trevormc: was just wondering who's your person :) 20:29:42 haha ok. Larry should be attending from what Im aware of there hasn't been any changes 20:29:46 trevormc: let's sync up after the meeting and see who we might have around 20:29:58 ok 20:30:05 trevormc: thanks! 20:31:06 we have a few double booked slots for the presentations 20:31:47 Tag team? 20:32:03 I haven't seen people around for this meeting, so we will figure out during the week whether we pick someone or those will be slots with two presenters 20:32:07 whooomp there it is! 20:32:27 What's the plan for that? One or two people presenting, the rest of the mentors available in the room to help answer questions? 20:32:41 smcginnis: we have exercises for all blocks 20:32:59 mentors should help with those 20:33:28 and having at least one mentor sitting at each table should also help with synchronizing who's finished and which group needs more time 20:33:37 Perfect 20:33:43 and also answer questions if any 20:33:54 people were quite active on IRC during the Barcelona training 20:34:03 so a few of us should keep an eye on that too 20:34:11 (hah, bc it was configured on their VM ;-) ) 20:34:25 kmARC: and in Boston it will be too :) 20:34:40 kmARC: so the patch is up to move the dev env VM setup after the intros 20:35:03 the floor will be yours, I will not add that to the sign up etherpad to ensure it's all yours ;) 20:36:28 kmARC: so as a summary, thanks again for putting together and updating and optimizing the VM image! :) 20:36:56 No problem, I enjoyed procrastinating on my real job and play with my pet project :-D 20:37:12 does anyone have questions for the exercises or any of the blocks? 20:37:16 kmARC: :) 20:37:56 I need to see where we actually are:) 20:38:08 spotz_: +1 20:38:14 It might be a good idea for everyone to just go through all the slides so we are all familiar with whats there and are prepared to answer questions 20:38:36 #action ALL to check the latest version of the material: https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/ 20:38:37 diablo_rojo: ++ That is on my agenda 20:39:00 so as diablo_rojo said, plz!!! 20:39:12 ildikov: If we do that we are bound to find issues, should we push up patches with fixes? 20:39:23 ianychoi: BTW, do you know how to update the logo on the training webpage to the new one? 20:39:35 ianychoi: I mean I couldn't find where to do it :) 20:39:57 jungleboyj: yes, push fixes please 20:40:08 ildikov: Ok. Will do. 20:40:11 ildikov, which page? https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/ ? 20:40:12 jungleboyj: I would say fix only typos and things that are fundamentally wrong 20:40:23 polishing can come after we're done with the training 20:40:28 ildikov: Of course. Wasn't thinking of any content changes. 20:40:30 +1 20:40:33 ianychoi: yep 20:40:34 ildikov, slide logos are updated by you :) 20:40:40 Bugs only. ;-) 20:40:54 ianychoi, she is talking about the webpage I think 20:40:57 ianychoi: I meant the logo on the web page, the left top corner 20:41:04 ianychoi, we already updated the slides :) 20:41:07 ildikov, I see. openstackdocstheme might need to be updated . I will see it :) 20:41:36 ianychoi: oh, so that's a per project/page thing, I can try my best with it too 20:42:28 jungleboyj: smcginnis: do you want to talk about your deep dive idea fro the mail thread? 20:43:07 ildikov: Sure. 20:43:11 s/fro/for/ 20:43:25 hmm no, s/fro/from/ :) 20:43:30 :) 20:43:35 We are going to have a broken version of Cinder. 20:43:36 hate Mondays... :) 20:44:16 We had the idea of just putting a copy of Cinder up there for people to pull down to avoid having to do patching, but if you think everyone should be comfortable with apply a patch, we can just go that route. 20:44:38 This is for the deep dive with some broken code. 20:44:53 I think we can risk that who doesn't know how to do that we or the fellow students can teach them 20:45:03 but that's my two cents 20:45:21 ildikov: Ok, we can go that route to be consistent with others then. 20:45:27 It does sound like we will have enough help there that if a student has trouble, we should be able to spend time with them to get them going. 20:45:35 on the other hand, if we use the Sandbox repo that code might be way more broken than how you originally broke it 20:45:41 ildikov, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406450/ was settled but I need to more investigate whether the new theme was released or not. 20:45:51 ildikov: Sounds like a good challenge. ;-) 20:45:54 smcginnis: ++ 20:46:01 ianychoi: cool, thanks for checking 20:46:18 ianychoi: I just realized that the docs page has the new logo already, but the training page does not 20:46:36 Must need to point to a new theme name? 20:46:44 smcginnis: yep, and I also think that it can be a good experience for students to help each other out 20:47:04 +1 20:47:06 can make them more confident with things that are new to them if there are other things they can help each other with 20:47:11 Teaching always helps with learning. 20:47:22 smcginnis: +1 20:47:28 Indeed. Have learned a lot that way. 20:48:19 :) 20:48:27 ildikov, aha but no actual documentations yet I got it :) 20:48:49 so it seems we will go with the patches and not the full code 20:49:45 ildikov: Yes, that is fine. 20:50:00 trevormc: mlavalle: are you preparing some code breaking exercises as well? 20:50:08 jungleboyj: cool, tnx 20:50:20 ildikov: yes 20:50:40 mlavalle: great, tnx 20:51:00 mlavalle: did anything come up that would be beneficial to discuss with the group here? 20:51:26 mlavalle: I mean with the preparation/brainstorming/etc 20:51:44 ildikov: no, we are good. I am also almost done with my presentation / exercises for the on-boarding room 20:52:19 mlavalle: wow, sounds pretty good! 20:52:34 mlavalle: unintentionally I always have things for the last minute :/ 20:52:52 ildikov: np 20:52:56 smcginnis: And I are working on putting together info that builds upon upstream-institute with Cinder specific details. 20:53:17 jungleboyj: for the on boarding room? 20:53:23 Yep 20:53:38 ildikov: Yep 20:53:40 cool! 20:54:14 you can always re-use what we have for the training with those who didn't attend that 20:54:32 so having things built on top of it is a good idea IMHO 20:54:51 I think we are going to recap the upstream training, then get into Cinder specific things. 20:55:01 ildikov: What he said 20:55:09 :) 20:55:18 at least you also have some extra things for advanced students, you can never know who shows up to the training :) 20:55:29 ildikov: Right. 20:55:33 smcginnis: sounds pretty good! 20:55:37 That was our thought. 20:55:39 Exactly. I think we will have to just go with the flow and see how the audience turns out. 20:55:48 5 minutes 20:56:00 yep, pretty tough to get prepared for everyone 20:56:26 we should encourage the projects to have their on boarding room things available somewhere publicly 20:56:37 Oh, that's not a bad idea. 20:56:45 so we could pick them up for the training if we need material for areas 20:56:45 Would be good to link to it off of our project wiki pages. 20:56:52 Yeah ... 20:56:54 Good idea 20:56:56 and vice versa 20:57:13 smcginnis: coolio, I will reach out to the projects then :) 20:57:28 smcginnis: jungleboyj: I guess I can count on you for Cinder :) 20:57:42 so we have 3 more minutes 20:57:43 ildikov: We got you covered 20:58:05 is there anything I forgot, or any questions or comments from anyone to discuss? 20:59:08 Probably. :) 20:59:22 smcginnis: thanks, that helps :) 20:59:34 smcginnis: That wasn't very nice. 20:59:41 then see everyone in Boston soon! 20:59:48 I meant it in the nicest way! :] 20:59:55 keep on checking your mailboxes and hang out on the team channel! 20:59:58 :-) Looking forward to it! 21:00:09 See all you at Boston! 21:00:14 safe travels everyone!!! 21:00:17 #endmeeting