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20:00:30 <jungleboyj> @!
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20:00:41 <smcginnis> o/
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20:01:10 <marst> o/
20:01:37 <ildikov> hi :)
20:01:52 <ildikov> let's wait another minute and then we can start
20:02:21 <ildikov> agenda for today: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings
20:03:14 <ildikov> ok, let's start :)
20:03:26 <ildikov> our agenda is light for today
20:04:01 <jungleboyj> Quick meetings are good.  :-)
20:04:14 <ildikov> I don't have new announcements for today, we're working on to improve our materials for the upcoming occasions
20:04:25 <ildikov> #topic Re-working the index page for the training to be less crowded
20:04:41 <ildikov> so let's dive in to the few topics
20:05:08 <ildikov> gmann brought up on the meeting last week to re-organize the website a bit
20:05:26 <jungleboyj> That sounds like a good idea.
20:05:41 <ildikov> as the website with all the info on the front page is pretty busy we were all in an agreement so far that it's a good idea
20:06:04 <ildikov> the plan is to have the description and links to further info on the front page
20:06:14 <ildikov> so we keep it simple and easy to read through
20:06:46 <ildikov> I wanted to give you a heads up about the plan and also ask for feedback
20:06:47 <jungleboyj> ildikov:  I think that would be more consistent with how a lot of the landing pages for projects have been moving to.
20:07:14 <ildikov> jungleboyj: that's a good one to keep the docs consistent
20:07:29 <ildikov> this way newcomers see familiar layouts, which should be a plus
20:07:43 <jungleboyj> ildikov: Yeah, that is probably actually a point I should bring up at the PTG with the docs team.
20:08:02 * diablo_rojo sneaks in with a chipotle burrito
20:08:08 <ildikov> jungleboyj: :)
20:08:25 <kmARC> o/ sorry I'm absent and on roaming 3G tonight. Unfortunately no progress, sorry for that, will try to catch up next week. Have fun guys see you next week
20:09:03 <ildikov> kmARC: thanks for checking in and the update
20:10:20 <diablo_rojo> ildikov, I think gmann was planning on getting a patch out there this week
20:10:20 <ildikov> jungleboyj: is there any landing page we could use as a reference?
20:10:50 <jungleboyj> ildikov: I patterned the Cinder one off of Keystone and that was the one that asettle had held up as a good example.
20:11:13 <ildikov> diablo_rojo: yep, that' show I remember too, I will catch up with him
20:11:23 <spotz> wee was in wrong channel!
20:11:34 <jungleboyj> spotz:  !
20:11:46 <diablo_rojo> spotz, lol, I have totally done that before
20:11:49 <ildikov> spotz: no worries, you found us is what matters :)
20:12:08 <ildikov> maybe we should add ping lists to the agenda
20:12:09 <spotz> I don't have a -2 in my listso I was in 4:)
20:12:45 <smcginnis> These -* meeting channels always throw me off.
20:12:52 <ildikov> jungleboyj: I will ping gmann to look at those pages if he hasn't come up with a new design yet
20:12:58 <diablo_rojo> smcginnis, same
20:13:28 <jungleboyj> ildikov:  Sure and if he needs any help have him ping me.
20:13:57 <ildikov> jungleboyj: will tell him, thanks
20:14:19 <ildikov> I'm ok with the meeting channels mostly, although I usually don't attend that many meetings... :)
20:14:46 <ildikov> any further questions/comments to this topic?
20:15:21 <jungleboyj> Nope, will watch for updates to come through.  Think it is a good thing to do.
20:15:54 <ildikov> jungleboyj: +1
20:16:00 <ildikov> ok, let's move on
20:16:11 <ildikov> #topic (How) to display the tags on the web?
20:16:35 <ildikov> we have an initial set of tags we would like to apply: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OUI_Module_tags
20:17:41 <ildikov> thanks to diablo_rojo they are on their way to get on the website starting with this one: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496425/
20:17:53 <diablo_rojo> :)
20:18:39 <ildikov> as we are having the website re-orgainzed in our plans we can think about how to use the tags as well
20:19:14 <ildikov> like having them in the slide set, for instance in the presenter note where the above patch proposes to put them
20:19:36 <ildikov> or make it more visible on the web instead
20:19:48 <diablo_rojo> Off the top of my head we could add the tags after the titles of the modules on the page, but I thought that would get cluttered so I opted for adding them as a note.
20:20:13 <diablo_rojo> In the descriptions for the tags- if that becomes a different page- we could say what modules belong to each tag
20:20:20 <ildikov> I added the question to the review and we can decide there, just wanted to draw attention to it while we're waiting to figure out how the web page will look like
20:20:50 <diablo_rojo> Thank you ildikov for bringing it up :)
20:21:01 <jungleboyj> Putting it at the top of the page would be very cluttered.
20:21:10 <diablo_rojo> jungleboyj, agreed
20:21:15 <jungleboyj> :-)
20:21:59 <ildikov> I was thinking about either doing a table layout and have the tags on one side, we could maybe use a design like what we're using for the project tags
20:22:13 <ildikov> and have the description at the bottom as opposed to the top
20:23:12 <ildikov> as we're focusing on the content and those who find the tags less self-explanatory can navigate to the bottom of the page to read more about it
20:23:18 <diablo_rojo> On the page with the descriptions a table would be good
20:23:46 <diablo_rojo> Kind of like a driver matrix and the things they support
20:23:47 <ildikov> we can create a separate page even if we would end up with the many tags, but hopefully we will not :)
20:24:24 <diablo_rojo> I just think the descriptions and matrix thing would be enough to warrant its own page to keep the land page cleaner
20:24:28 <diablo_rojo> Idk :)
20:24:55 <ildikov> or if we can come up with shortened tag names we could add them to the agenda links easier
20:25:13 <jungleboyj> If we have those tags in the notes is there then a way to build subsets of the slides based on them?
20:25:25 <ildikov> diablo_rojo: if we have a page just for the agenda with the links then we could add the tag description there too
20:26:09 <ildikov> jungleboyj: slide build is currently a bigger headache in general, will give an update when we're done with this topic
20:26:10 <spotz> jungleboyj: that wold be nice
20:26:13 <diablo_rojo> ildikov, yeah that would work
20:26:42 <diablo_rojo> jungleboyj, I think so? but I have no idea how that would work with sphinx
20:26:49 <diablo_rojo> Seems like there should be a way
20:28:02 <jungleboyj> diablo_rojo:  I can try to corner dhellmann  et. al. at the PTG and see if they have ideas.
20:28:32 <jungleboyj> diablo_rojo:  Once we have agreed on how the tags are going to be implemented.
20:28:45 <ildikov> we can decide on how to place and organize the tags once the current content is re-organized
20:29:42 <ildikov> jungleboyj: yep, one thing at a time :)
20:29:58 <jungleboyj> ildikov: Understood.
20:30:11 * jungleboyj pulls the cart back behind the horse.
20:30:33 <ildikov> lol :)
20:30:37 <ildikov> anything more to the tags?
20:30:47 <diablo_rojo> Maybe we should decide how to do the tags based on how the mechanism works?
20:30:50 <diablo_rojo> Assuming there is one?
20:31:11 <ildikov> diablo_rojo: I would put on the tags first
20:31:34 <jungleboyj> ildikov:  ++
20:31:43 <ildikov> and then we have time to figure out what we can do with the build
20:32:00 <diablo_rojo> Deciding what modules each tag belongs on- I agree.
20:32:12 <jungleboyj> If all else fails I can write a script that scrapes through the RST looking for the tags and building a list of slides to build.
20:32:23 <jungleboyj> That happens elsewhere in the doc build.
20:32:24 <ildikov> yep as the information is the most important
20:32:47 <jungleboyj> So, nothing is impossible.
20:32:56 <ildikov> people can pick the slides based on that even if don't do magic with the build
20:33:23 <diablo_rojo> True
20:33:29 <ildikov> as we are currently providing a set of links semi-manually anyhow
20:34:00 <diablo_rojo> I just meant more that if we tag it all one way and find out it can be built someother way and have to change it all- kinda making more work for ourselves.
20:34:12 <diablo_rojo> But the PTG will be here soon enough so no big deal.
20:34:36 <jungleboyj> diablo_rojo:  I don't think that will be an issue.  I agree we should get the labeling done.
20:34:56 <ildikov> if you check how it works currently we specify it manually what link goes on the web in what order
20:35:29 <ildikov> and even that is not that straight forward right now
20:36:07 <ildikov> let's change topics
20:36:20 <ildikov> #topic Need to replace Hieroglyph
20:36:36 <jungleboyj> God, yes please!
20:36:48 <ildikov> so the tool we are building the slides right now is unmaintained and does not work with the latest version of Sphinx
20:37:09 <ildikov> the plan is to keep .rst and Sphinx
20:37:27 <ildikov> we don't have that many options available
20:38:00 <ildikov> and so far I only messed up my VM with it than succeed, although I've never been an expert with integration work...
20:38:12 <ildikov> so if anyone feels like playing with this, feel free to do so
20:38:43 <ildikov> in the meantime we're kind of putting a freeze on versions for training-guides to keep the current system working
20:39:17 <ildikov> but considering this stage, let's figure out what tag goes on which slide deck and update things on the go
20:40:09 <jungleboyj> Sounds good.
20:41:35 <ildikov> if any of you have tooling ideas don't hold them back :)
20:42:39 <ildikov> any questions or comments to this topic from anyone?
20:43:17 <smcginnis> None from me.
20:43:41 <ildikov> let's move on then :)
20:43:42 <jungleboyj> Nothing here.
20:43:45 <ildikov> #topic Open discussion
20:44:00 <ildikov> any other topics we should discuss today?
20:44:45 <spotz> I'm good
20:44:56 <marst> none from me.
20:45:06 <ildikov> ok, cool
20:45:34 <ildikov> please keep an eye on open reviews
20:45:37 <jungleboyj> Nothing from me.
20:45:42 <jungleboyj> Will do.  :-)
20:45:52 <spotz> will do
20:46:01 <ildikov> and also if you have any content updates please upload new ones :)
20:46:09 <ildikov> thank you all for today!
20:46:17 <ildikov> have a great rest of the day! :)
20:46:18 <jungleboyj> Thanks ildikov !
20:46:26 <jungleboyj> You too.
20:46:29 <ildikov> #endmeeting