15:02:13 <Piet> #startmeeting OpenStack UX
15:02:14 <openstack> Meeting started Fri Nov  6 15:02:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Piet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:02:15 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
15:02:18 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ux'
15:02:51 <ducttape_> hey
15:02:58 <Piet> Hey
15:03:09 <Piet> Let me take role in a few minutes
15:04:44 <Piet> timur? You around?
15:06:46 <Piet> Let's go ahead and take role to see if anyone is able to make it this morning.  Changed the time last minute, so maybe poor attendance
15:07:46 <Piet> @ducttape_
15:07:49 <ducttape_> yo
15:08:04 <Piet> Anyone else?
15:08:36 <ducttape_> might be extra quiet, with summit and US daylight savings fallout ?
15:09:04 <Piet> Well, I also changed the time last minute and we have a lot of newbs
15:09:33 <Piet> Let me give you a few things to review (please) and I'll close
15:09:52 <Piet> Hi travis
15:09:57 <TravT> hey Piet
15:10:24 <TravT> i volunteer at my kids school this morning, so actually can only be on here for about 5 minutes.
15:10:29 <Piet> @tsufiev_
15:10:32 <Piet> K
15:10:36 <Piet> real quick
15:10:47 <tsufiev_> hello
15:10:56 <Piet> Hi timure
15:10:58 <TravT> o/ tsufiev_
15:11:14 <Piet> Need reviews and +2/-2
15:11:27 <Piet> Ironic Panel:  https://openstack.invisionapp.com/d/main/#/projects/4821968
15:11:43 <tsufiev_> Piet, will do a couple today, because the next 2 weeks I'll be on a PTO )
15:11:51 <Piet> k
15:11:57 <TravT> i looked at the yesterday and it looked like Michael had a bunch of comments
15:12:04 <TravT> s/the/that
15:12:30 <Piet> Ironic?
15:12:39 <TravT> yeah
15:12:41 <Piet> Yeah, feel free to respond to his comments
15:12:50 <Piet> Project Image Panel: https://openstack.invisionapp.com/d/#/projects/4882126/screens
15:13:27 <Piet> LBaaS: https://invis.io/FD4LVVAX7
15:14:17 <Piet> @tsufiev_ Please +2/-2 if you feel comfortable doing so
15:15:00 <TravT> so, this horizon blueprint has a mockup with it that isn't in invision
15:15:09 <Piet> #topic Neutron Migration Study
15:15:13 <TravT> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/import-images
15:15:22 <TravT> https://projects.invisionapp.com/share/S33TEMG4E#/screens
15:15:24 <TravT> FYI.
15:15:31 <TravT> I'm -1 on it right now
15:16:00 <Piet> k - remember to record your vote on the first image
15:16:16 <Piet> So we have a record
15:16:16 <TravT> ok, i have to run.  will read back from the logs.
15:16:16 <TravT> thx
15:16:23 <Piet> Ciao
15:17:03 <tsufiev_> Piet, going to assess Project Images in a while
15:17:03 <Piet> We are presenting the results of the Nova Networks / Neutron migration study in two weeks
15:17:15 <Piet> Cool
15:17:36 <tsufiev_> are we supposed to review mockups during this meeting or it's just for coordination/discussion things etc?
15:17:55 <Piet> coordination
15:18:02 <tsufiev_> k
15:19:10 <Piet> The Neutron Migration study overview will be on Nov 23 @ 10AM MST - I will send out invities to the team
15:19:14 <ducttape_> what happened with lbaas?  it seems like a another redo ?
15:20:03 <Piet> Yeah - there was a lot of information that was missing.  I had three meetings with stakeholders this week to get it straightened out
15:20:24 <Piet> Please hammer it if you see a lot of issues
15:20:50 <ducttape_> so is it something to review now?  it looks like a step backwards, tons of screens to get stuff setup
15:21:41 <Piet> Tons of options for LBaaS.  Review when you have time.  Don't think it's practical to do now
15:22:12 <tsufiev_> I see 3 modals stacked here https://openstack.invisionapp.com/share/FD4LVVAX7#/screens/113517311
15:22:19 <Piet> We can also schedule a time to review via google hangouts if you like
15:22:33 <Piet> looking now
15:22:36 <tsufiev_> how many modals in a stack are we going to have? 3 already look like a little bit too much
15:23:21 <Piet> I was uncomfortable with it as well, but the rationale is that imports happen infrequently
15:23:42 <Piet> So we pulled it from the Listener workflow
15:23:47 <tsufiev_> ok
15:24:03 <Piet> However, I will add it to the Listener workflow if I get a lot of comments
15:24:52 <Piet> The other thing is that its cleaner if you select "Import Instance" as an in row action
15:25:02 <Piet> But, again, feel free to push back
15:25:35 <julim_> hi - sorry late to join.
15:25:44 <Piet> And it's my work, so I'm probably biased and will not vote on it
15:25:49 <Piet> Hi Ju
15:26:02 <Piet> We're talking about needed reviews
15:26:46 <Piet> Timur noticed 3 modals on the LBaaS workflow  https://openstack.invisionapp.com/share/FD4LVVAX7#/screens/113517311
15:27:04 <Piet> Note, it's my work so I'm not voting on it
15:28:00 <Piet> One other thing, I'm going to have folks reach-out to the UX cores via IRC if they need a review/approval for a project.
15:28:03 <tsufiev_> btw, I wonder what's the usual resolution you guys are using?
15:28:19 <Piet> two +2s
15:28:48 <Piet> We're moving to Gerrit, so that process will be automated
15:29:10 <Piet> - 2 blocks
15:29:10 <tsufiev_> I have standard 1920x1080 and it's not enough to fit both mockup and the invision sidebars on one display
15:29:25 <tsufiev_> have to zoom out, which also has its cons
15:30:03 <ducttape_> 1920x1080  seems like it should be good enough, but I have 2560 x 1440
15:30:17 <Piet> Does reducing the viewport size on your browser help?
15:31:24 <tsufiev_> Piet, not sure it could help because the image is too big to fit into my display :)
15:32:11 <Piet> Do we need people creating slightly smaller mocks?
15:32:30 <tsufiev_> so I'm looking at Project Images zoomed out at 67%
15:33:15 <tsufiev_> I don't want to force anyone using suboptimal resolution, instead I suggest to create a survey/polling where each regular contributor would post his working resolution
15:33:25 <Piet> Julim_ Same issue?
15:33:50 <julim_> I'm looking at lbaas mocks but not having an issue
15:33:51 <tsufiev_> if I'm in a minority, it's better to stay with existing resolution. But if a majority suffers, why use resolution which is too big?
15:34:08 <julim_> do you have the link to the what tsufiev_ is looking at?
15:34:21 <Piet> https://openstack.invisionapp.com/share/FD4LVVAX7#/screens/113517311
15:35:13 <Piet> Also note from the usability that we had some issues with combining too many things into a single step, but no complaints about the workflow being too long
15:35:24 <Piet> For Launch Instance
15:36:19 <Piet> Go ahead and leave feedback.  I;ll take a look in Invision
15:36:50 <Piet> #topic personas
15:37:20 <julim_> piet - I don't have problems with resolution.
15:37:24 <julim_> My Resolution: 2880 x 1800 Retina
15:37:32 <Piet> k
15:37:41 <Piet> Let's shelve for now
15:37:43 <tsufiev_> ah, lucky people with big monitors :)
15:37:54 <Piet> Yep
15:37:58 <julim_> that's my laptop
15:38:13 * tsufiev_ sighs
15:38:49 <Piet> ;^)
15:39:35 <Piet> Any interest in chatting about the personas?
15:39:53 <Piet> Ju and I discussed yesterday
15:40:54 <julim_> I might have missed the persona discussion yesterday (mtg conflict)
15:41:10 <julim_> was there anything on persona validation that was discussed?
15:41:45 <Piet> julim_ sorry...I mixed-up with the Neutron study discussion with Melissa
15:42:48 <Piet> Stan and I emailed a few times about creating a wiki with links to the survey and the personas.  We would provide operators with a link to the wiki
15:43:05 <Piet> Were you invited to the meeting on personas next week?
15:43:54 <Piet> Just checked my calendar - you have an invite
15:44:31 <Piet> Timur and Eric: I can send an invite, but not sure it would be interesting because we're just talking about how to get them reviewed
15:45:31 <ducttape_> no prob.  you can skip me
15:45:51 <tsufiev_> Piet,  please skip me next week as well, as I'll be on a PTO
15:46:03 <Piet> ducttape_ I will be asking you to review the personas
15:46:19 <Piet> ducttape_ since you're an operator
15:46:33 <ducttape_> thats fine
15:47:36 <Piet> ducttape_ thanks
15:47:58 <Piet> Anything else?
15:48:11 <ducttape_> not from me
15:48:28 <Piet> julim_ ?
15:48:37 <julim_> none from me piet
15:48:45 <Piet> tsufiev_ ?
15:48:54 <tsufiev_> I wonder if anybody seriously considered moving to SparkleShare?
15:49:04 <tsufiev_> (as it was suggested on Summit)
15:49:06 <tsufiev_> just curious
15:49:28 <tsufiev_> git integration looks interesting
15:49:45 <Piet> I was chatting w wendar about it, but we're not sure if it works with Gerrit
15:49:59 <Piet> But is being looked at
15:50:16 <tsufiev_> okay, good to know
15:50:35 <Piet> hurgleburgler and I are chatting about creating a repo next week
15:51:15 <Piet> hurgleburgler: is planning to do the leg work to get everything running and help document
15:51:32 <Piet> BTW - Diana was also promoted to core
15:51:51 <ducttape_> :D
15:51:59 <tsufiev_> I would be surprised if she wouldn't )
15:52:31 <Piet> tsufiev_  promoted to Core?
15:52:38 <tsufiev_> Piet, yes
15:52:55 <Piet> Yeah, she's been very involved in both reviews and process
15:54:19 <Piet> BTW - Intel OTC UX is working on a heuristic for conducting reviews.  Basically a checklist of things that reviewers should focus one.
15:54:48 <Piet> For example, no more than two modals stacked.  ;^)
15:55:01 <tsufiev_> +2 :)
15:55:08 <Piet> hinnant_ Morning
15:55:43 <Piet> + 2 from me, as well.  I like that they're looking at helping with that kind of stuff
15:55:44 <hinnant_> Piet morning, you moved the meeting up an hour... didn't see that
15:56:23 <Piet> That was my bad.  It's actually easier to download the ICS file from here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_UX_Working_Group_Meeting
15:56:26 <hinnant_> Where will they post the hueristics?
15:56:53 <Piet> hinnnant_ I am pushing them to post to an OpenStack wiki
15:57:14 <ducttape_> gotta run, thanks all
15:57:17 <Piet> Kind of bad form to use other tools
15:57:25 <hinnant_> Should be to the UX wiki page, right? that way designers and development teams can reference it so they can make those part of the design before we have to -2 them
15:57:41 <Piet> Yep
15:58:11 <Piet> Might be interesting to post to Invision for review
15:58:44 <Piet> They're also creating a site map for Horizon
15:59:32 <Piet> OK - out of time.  Good meeting - thanks for attending!
16:00:17 <hinnant_> Piet re:site map - we have one in a spreadsheet, may be out of date and depends on the services turned on...
16:00:18 <tsufiev_> bye!
16:00:29 <hinnant_> okay, out!
16:01:21 <Piet> #endmeeting OpenStack UX