15:02:13 <Piet> #startmeeting OpenStack UX 15:02:14 <openstack> Meeting started Fri Nov 6 15:02:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Piet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02:15 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:02:18 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ux' 15:02:51 <ducttape_> hey 15:02:58 <Piet> Hey 15:03:09 <Piet> Let me take role in a few minutes 15:04:44 <Piet> timur? You around? 15:06:46 <Piet> Let's go ahead and take role to see if anyone is able to make it this morning. Changed the time last minute, so maybe poor attendance 15:07:46 <Piet> @ducttape_ 15:07:49 <ducttape_> yo 15:08:04 <Piet> Anyone else? 15:08:36 <ducttape_> might be extra quiet, with summit and US daylight savings fallout ? 15:09:04 <Piet> Well, I also changed the time last minute and we have a lot of newbs 15:09:33 <Piet> Let me give you a few things to review (please) and I'll close 15:09:52 <Piet> Hi travis 15:09:57 <TravT> hey Piet 15:10:24 <TravT> i volunteer at my kids school this morning, so actually can only be on here for about 5 minutes. 15:10:29 <Piet> @tsufiev_ 15:10:32 <Piet> K 15:10:36 <Piet> real quick 15:10:47 <tsufiev_> hello 15:10:56 <Piet> Hi timure 15:10:58 <TravT> o/ tsufiev_ 15:11:14 <Piet> Need reviews and +2/-2 15:11:27 <Piet> Ironic Panel: https://openstack.invisionapp.com/d/main/#/projects/4821968 15:11:43 <tsufiev_> Piet, will do a couple today, because the next 2 weeks I'll be on a PTO ) 15:11:51 <Piet> k 15:11:57 <TravT> i looked at the yesterday and it looked like Michael had a bunch of comments 15:12:04 <TravT> s/the/that 15:12:30 <Piet> Ironic? 15:12:39 <TravT> yeah 15:12:41 <Piet> Yeah, feel free to respond to his comments 15:12:50 <Piet> Project Image Panel: https://openstack.invisionapp.com/d/#/projects/4882126/screens 15:13:27 <Piet> LBaaS: https://invis.io/FD4LVVAX7 15:14:17 <Piet> @tsufiev_ Please +2/-2 if you feel comfortable doing so 15:15:00 <TravT> so, this horizon blueprint has a mockup with it that isn't in invision 15:15:09 <Piet> #topic Neutron Migration Study 15:15:13 <TravT> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/import-images 15:15:22 <TravT> https://projects.invisionapp.com/share/S33TEMG4E#/screens 15:15:24 <TravT> FYI. 15:15:31 <TravT> I'm -1 on it right now 15:16:00 <Piet> k - remember to record your vote on the first image 15:16:16 <Piet> So we have a record 15:16:16 <TravT> ok, i have to run. will read back from the logs. 15:16:16 <TravT> thx 15:16:23 <Piet> Ciao 15:17:03 <tsufiev_> Piet, going to assess Project Images in a while 15:17:03 <Piet> We are presenting the results of the Nova Networks / Neutron migration study in two weeks 15:17:15 <Piet> Cool 15:17:36 <tsufiev_> are we supposed to review mockups during this meeting or it's just for coordination/discussion things etc? 15:17:55 <Piet> coordination 15:18:02 <tsufiev_> k 15:19:10 <Piet> The Neutron Migration study overview will be on Nov 23 @ 10AM MST - I will send out invities to the team 15:19:14 <ducttape_> what happened with lbaas? it seems like a another redo ? 15:20:03 <Piet> Yeah - there was a lot of information that was missing. I had three meetings with stakeholders this week to get it straightened out 15:20:24 <Piet> Please hammer it if you see a lot of issues 15:20:50 <ducttape_> so is it something to review now? it looks like a step backwards, tons of screens to get stuff setup 15:21:41 <Piet> Tons of options for LBaaS. Review when you have time. Don't think it's practical to do now 15:22:12 <tsufiev_> I see 3 modals stacked here https://openstack.invisionapp.com/share/FD4LVVAX7#/screens/113517311 15:22:19 <Piet> We can also schedule a time to review via google hangouts if you like 15:22:33 <Piet> looking now 15:22:36 <tsufiev_> how many modals in a stack are we going to have? 3 already look like a little bit too much 15:23:21 <Piet> I was uncomfortable with it as well, but the rationale is that imports happen infrequently 15:23:42 <Piet> So we pulled it from the Listener workflow 15:23:47 <tsufiev_> ok 15:24:03 <Piet> However, I will add it to the Listener workflow if I get a lot of comments 15:24:52 <Piet> The other thing is that its cleaner if you select "Import Instance" as an in row action 15:25:02 <Piet> But, again, feel free to push back 15:25:35 <julim_> hi - sorry late to join. 15:25:44 <Piet> And it's my work, so I'm probably biased and will not vote on it 15:25:49 <Piet> Hi Ju 15:26:02 <Piet> We're talking about needed reviews 15:26:46 <Piet> Timur noticed 3 modals on the LBaaS workflow https://openstack.invisionapp.com/share/FD4LVVAX7#/screens/113517311 15:27:04 <Piet> Note, it's my work so I'm not voting on it 15:28:00 <Piet> One other thing, I'm going to have folks reach-out to the UX cores via IRC if they need a review/approval for a project. 15:28:03 <tsufiev_> btw, I wonder what's the usual resolution you guys are using? 15:28:19 <Piet> two +2s 15:28:48 <Piet> We're moving to Gerrit, so that process will be automated 15:29:10 <Piet> - 2 blocks 15:29:10 <tsufiev_> I have standard 1920x1080 and it's not enough to fit both mockup and the invision sidebars on one display 15:29:25 <tsufiev_> have to zoom out, which also has its cons 15:30:03 <ducttape_> 1920x1080 seems like it should be good enough, but I have 2560 x 1440 15:30:17 <Piet> Does reducing the viewport size on your browser help? 15:31:24 <tsufiev_> Piet, not sure it could help because the image is too big to fit into my display :) 15:32:11 <Piet> Do we need people creating slightly smaller mocks? 15:32:30 <tsufiev_> so I'm looking at Project Images zoomed out at 67% 15:33:15 <tsufiev_> I don't want to force anyone using suboptimal resolution, instead I suggest to create a survey/polling where each regular contributor would post his working resolution 15:33:25 <Piet> Julim_ Same issue? 15:33:50 <julim_> I'm looking at lbaas mocks but not having an issue 15:33:51 <tsufiev_> if I'm in a minority, it's better to stay with existing resolution. But if a majority suffers, why use resolution which is too big? 15:34:08 <julim_> do you have the link to the what tsufiev_ is looking at? 15:34:21 <Piet> https://openstack.invisionapp.com/share/FD4LVVAX7#/screens/113517311 15:35:13 <Piet> Also note from the usability that we had some issues with combining too many things into a single step, but no complaints about the workflow being too long 15:35:24 <Piet> For Launch Instance 15:36:19 <Piet> Go ahead and leave feedback. I;ll take a look in Invision 15:36:50 <Piet> #topic personas 15:37:20 <julim_> piet - I don't have problems with resolution. 15:37:24 <julim_> My Resolution: 2880 x 1800 Retina 15:37:32 <Piet> k 15:37:41 <Piet> Let's shelve for now 15:37:43 <tsufiev_> ah, lucky people with big monitors :) 15:37:54 <Piet> Yep 15:37:58 <julim_> that's my laptop 15:38:13 * tsufiev_ sighs 15:38:49 <Piet> ;^) 15:39:35 <Piet> Any interest in chatting about the personas? 15:39:53 <Piet> Ju and I discussed yesterday 15:40:54 <julim_> I might have missed the persona discussion yesterday (mtg conflict) 15:41:10 <julim_> was there anything on persona validation that was discussed? 15:41:45 <Piet> julim_ sorry...I mixed-up with the Neutron study discussion with Melissa 15:42:48 <Piet> Stan and I emailed a few times about creating a wiki with links to the survey and the personas. We would provide operators with a link to the wiki 15:43:05 <Piet> Were you invited to the meeting on personas next week? 15:43:54 <Piet> Just checked my calendar - you have an invite 15:44:31 <Piet> Timur and Eric: I can send an invite, but not sure it would be interesting because we're just talking about how to get them reviewed 15:45:31 <ducttape_> no prob. you can skip me 15:45:51 <tsufiev_> Piet, please skip me next week as well, as I'll be on a PTO 15:46:03 <Piet> ducttape_ I will be asking you to review the personas 15:46:19 <Piet> ducttape_ since you're an operator 15:46:33 <ducttape_> thats fine 15:47:36 <Piet> ducttape_ thanks 15:47:58 <Piet> Anything else? 15:48:11 <ducttape_> not from me 15:48:28 <Piet> julim_ ? 15:48:37 <julim_> none from me piet 15:48:45 <Piet> tsufiev_ ? 15:48:54 <tsufiev_> I wonder if anybody seriously considered moving to SparkleShare? 15:49:04 <tsufiev_> (as it was suggested on Summit) 15:49:06 <tsufiev_> just curious 15:49:28 <tsufiev_> git integration looks interesting 15:49:45 <Piet> I was chatting w wendar about it, but we're not sure if it works with Gerrit 15:49:59 <Piet> But is being looked at 15:50:16 <tsufiev_> okay, good to know 15:50:35 <Piet> hurgleburgler and I are chatting about creating a repo next week 15:51:15 <Piet> hurgleburgler: is planning to do the leg work to get everything running and help document 15:51:32 <Piet> BTW - Diana was also promoted to core 15:51:51 <ducttape_> :D 15:51:59 <tsufiev_> I would be surprised if she wouldn't ) 15:52:31 <Piet> tsufiev_ promoted to Core? 15:52:38 <tsufiev_> Piet, yes 15:52:55 <Piet> Yeah, she's been very involved in both reviews and process 15:54:19 <Piet> BTW - Intel OTC UX is working on a heuristic for conducting reviews. Basically a checklist of things that reviewers should focus one. 15:54:48 <Piet> For example, no more than two modals stacked. ;^) 15:55:01 <tsufiev_> +2 :) 15:55:08 <Piet> hinnant_ Morning 15:55:43 <Piet> + 2 from me, as well. I like that they're looking at helping with that kind of stuff 15:55:44 <hinnant_> Piet morning, you moved the meeting up an hour... didn't see that 15:56:23 <Piet> That was my bad. It's actually easier to download the ICS file from here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_UX_Working_Group_Meeting 15:56:26 <hinnant_> Where will they post the hueristics? 15:56:53 <Piet> hinnnant_ I am pushing them to post to an OpenStack wiki 15:57:14 <ducttape_> gotta run, thanks all 15:57:17 <Piet> Kind of bad form to use other tools 15:57:25 <hinnant_> Should be to the UX wiki page, right? that way designers and development teams can reference it so they can make those part of the design before we have to -2 them 15:57:41 <Piet> Yep 15:58:11 <Piet> Might be interesting to post to Invision for review 15:58:44 <Piet> They're also creating a site map for Horizon 15:59:32 <Piet> OK - out of time. Good meeting - thanks for attending! 16:00:17 <hinnant_> Piet re:site map - we have one in a spreadsheet, may be out of date and depends on the services turned on... 16:00:18 <tsufiev_> bye! 16:00:29 <hinnant_> okay, out! 16:01:21 <Piet> #endmeeting OpenStack UX