15:01:35 <piet> #startmeeting openstack_ux 15:01:36 <openstack> Meeting started Fri Dec 4 15:01:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is piet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:38 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01:40 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ux' 15:01:51 <piet> Morning 15:02:34 <piet> Let's wait five minutes for people to wander into the channel 15:04:06 <piet> Can I see a show of hands from who is attending the UX meeting? 15:04:14 <piet> I see Jeff 15:04:31 <jacalcat> Hi 15:04:40 <piet> Que pasa 15:04:55 <piet> It might be a bit of boring meeting 15:05:06 <piet> We'll see 15:05:23 <piet> #topic personas 15:06:12 <piet> Still there? 15:06:41 <piet> So, we've received a ton of feedback on the persona screener 15:07:00 <jacalcat> Cool 15:07:26 <piet> The foundation has agreed to provide a surveymonkey account to the OpenStack UX team 15:08:06 <piet> The intent is to give them accounts, so they have access to the data 15:08:39 <piet> The is our current blocker to distributing the survey 15:08:47 <piet> "that" 15:09:42 <piet> Also, the foundation will be responsible for distributing the survey link 15:10:28 <piet> At some point, we will distribute a "screener" survey to the community to build-up a db of willing participants 15:10:54 <piet> That will allow them to create email lists based on the participants specific interests 15:11:10 <piet> So, we should probably start working on a screener 15:11:38 <piet> Any questions? 15:12:38 <piet> #topic Unified CLI study 15:13:03 <piet> STan and I are working on a unified CLI study 15:13:14 <julim> any details on it? 15:13:29 <piet> This will be a usability study with about eight participants 15:13:55 <julim> what are we testing? 15:13:57 <julim> test goal? 15:14:01 <piet> one second and I will send a link to the tasks 15:14:35 <piet> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-cli-research 15:15:04 <piet> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xqCO6Q0EZBpZmGR1AR_8D48EjV0SfF6EVZBwLtQoRBM/edit 15:15:31 <piet> The first go around will be end users rolling-up a VM 15:15:56 <julim> so target users are end-users 15:15:56 <piet> Similar to the tasks we did for the Luanch Instance usability in Horizon 15:16:02 <piet> Yep 15:16:09 <julim> we use it a fair bit for deployment 15:16:19 <piet> Unified CLI? 15:16:23 <julim> deployer users might be a consideration 15:16:24 <julim> yes 15:16:39 <piet> Cool - can you recruit a few people? 15:16:52 <julim> I might 15:16:58 <julim> but it depends on the goal of the study 15:17:06 <julim> and what we're testing 15:18:13 <julim> if you're limited to end-user, are you sure they don't tend to be offerred the ui vs. cli 15:18:17 <julim> who's the real target user? 15:18:21 <julim> operator, administrator, etc.? 15:18:25 <julim> seems a bit fuzzy... 15:18:27 <piet> I can work on writing the goals, but they are really interesting in validating that the CLI is usable with both current OpenStack users and new users 15:18:39 <julim> yes, but which users? 15:18:39 <piet> They have a CLI that has never been tested 15:19:36 <piet> The task was specified by the folks working on the CLI. Did you want to proposed different tasks? 15:19:39 <julim> I would argue that the cli is more for operator/admins 15:19:45 <julim> and that end-users tend to use ui 15:20:25 <piet> I would tend to questio that assumption, but we could ping the operators channel and see what they say. 15:20:31 <julim> I almost want to find out who is using it and what their top use cases are 15:20:39 <julim> I know what the deployers use cases are 15:20:58 <piet> Can you add them to the wiki? 15:21:03 <julim> hat wiki 15:21:18 <piet> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-cli-research 15:21:41 <julim> do we know who's complaining, logging bugs, etc.? 15:21:50 <julim> based on that we'd have a good idea who's using it 15:22:37 <piet> Naw, earlier than that...we don't know what we don't know, so this is more a validation of the current work to make sure that they are on the right track 15:23:04 <julim> well current test is very end-user focused it seems 15:23:20 <julim> but not considering other users which I raise concerns about 15:24:01 <piet> Do you want to push back on them? We could also ask the foundation to see if there was any results from the community survey 15:25:08 <julim> yes please 15:25:28 <julim> or at least try and get a little more data points as seems a bit lacking 15:25:36 <piet> k - I'll also invite you to the meetings 15:25:46 <piet> About the which persona to test? 15:26:20 <piet> Any other concerns? 15:26:47 <julim> that was it. based on persona, then we'd know tasks 15:27:41 <piet> It's kind of interesting because we could create a set of "study tasks" as part of each persona 15:27:51 <julim> +1 15:28:03 <julim> also depends how much cycles we have for this... and what the priorities are 15:30:41 <robcresswell> Just arrived, caught up on logs 15:33:37 <piet> Still there? my connection went down 15:33:59 <piet> #topic Nova Network/Neutron migration study presentation 15:34:42 <piet> julim should we go through the presentation one last time and record it for the rest of the community? 15:34:58 <julim> wasn't it recorded on tuesday? 15:35:04 <julim> preso is posted on the wiki already 15:35:22 <piet> No...technical difficulties with bluejeans 15:35:33 <julim> Oh :-( 15:35:41 <piet> I'm hoping to have a dedicated virtual room with Intel 15:35:45 <julim> we can do it again if there's enough folks interested in attending 15:36:13 <piet> I would almost think we should run through it even if its just us 15:36:26 <julim> ok. 15:36:31 <piet> So we have something to share 15:36:52 <piet> We did have a person that was unable to attend that wanted to attend the presentation 15:37:03 <piet> So maybe in the afternoon for anyone in asia 15:37:09 <julim> I'm limited by my timezone 15:37:29 <julim> if we can find a time that works for them and me, then sure. 15:37:32 <piet> I was thinking around 5PM your time 15:37:39 <julim> that won't work 15:37:43 <piet> But we can check 15:37:50 <julim> I've family commitments > 5pm EST 15:37:58 <piet> Let's talk to him on availability 15:38:23 <piet> Anything else? 15:38:36 <piet> 5 15:38:38 <piet> 4 15:38:40 <piet> 3 15:38:42 <piet> 2 15:38:43 <piet> 1 15:39:24 <piet> #topic LBaaS 15:39:58 <piet> I need to get review on the LBaaS edit workflows 15:40:22 <robcresswell> Just pinged Doug cause I know he has some involvement in this 15:40:31 <robcresswell> not sure if eric is around 15:40:33 <piet> We've already approved the panels and the Create Load Balancer UI 15:40:48 <piet> Just need approval on the edit 15:41:01 <neelashah> robcresswell doug is likely not around, but I believe jpomeroy is here 15:41:11 <jpomeroy> sup 15:41:15 <robcresswell> Ah okay 15:41:16 <piet> https://invis.io/59524AX4J 15:41:19 <robcresswell> neelashah: Thanks 15:41:35 <piet> Need reviews on the LBaaS edit stuff. Just posted a link 15:41:51 <piet> I know that Doug has reviewed it, but we need core approval 15:42:37 <robcresswell> piet: Will look after this meeting 15:43:02 <piet> jpomeroy: can you review? It may be easier for the Cores if we have someone with specific domain experience reviewing them. Feel free to leave comments on the first panel with the blue eye 15:43:39 <piet> david-lyle: Sup 15:43:56 <jpomeroy> piet, i'm not sure i'm the man for that job, domain experience doesn't really apply to me. just working on implementation. 15:43:58 <david-lyle> piet o/ 15:44:26 <jpomeroy> we need someone from the lbaas team for that 15:44:36 <piet> Sure, but it would be helpful to have feedback from an implementation perspective 15:44:52 <piet> k - i'll reach-out to Michael and German 15:45:11 <neelashah> +1 +1 both are needed 15:45:21 <hinnant_> piet, is there a reason that project doesn't show on the InVision project dashboard? 15:46:19 <piet> hinnant_: just added the larger group - should be visible 15:46:30 <piet> Morning, BTW 15:47:07 <piet> Anything else? 15:47:08 <piet> 5 15:47:09 <piet> 4 15:47:10 <piet> 3 15:47:11 <piet> 2 15:47:12 <piet> 1 15:47:51 <piet> #topic Move to a UX repository (Gerrit) 15:48:05 <piet> Not much to report 15:48:46 <piet> Things are moving along. I am now one of the admins for the launchpad account 15:49:06 <piet> Diana has created a git repository 15:49:19 <piet> Relevant links 15:49:27 <piet> https://launchpad.net/~openstack-ux-drivers 15:49:47 <piet> https://launchpad.net/openstack-ux 15:50:10 <piet> At some point, there needs to be a discussion around the scope of the blueprints 15:50:26 <piet> For example, is personas a blueprint? 15:50:56 <piet> Or should the first file personas that we are currently refining a blueprint? 15:51:12 <piet> Something to think about 15:51:27 <piet> nine minute warning... 15:51:47 <piet> 5 15:51:48 <piet> 4 15:51:50 <piet> 3 15:51:51 <piet> 2 15:51:53 <piet> 1 15:52:09 <piet> #topic mid-cycle 15:52:40 <robcresswell> London \o/ 15:52:44 <piet> We are planning to have a joint mid-cycle w the Horizon folks since some of the cores overlap 15:53:04 <piet> london \o/ 15:55:00 <piet> Pls complete the survey to identify a location/date 15:55:02 <piet> http://goo.gl/forms/TVtWP96KjY 15:55:33 <hinnant_> piet have we started an agenda? 15:55:45 <piet> In the future, we may piggyback other mid-cycles 15:55:58 <piet> I have created a wiki, but not much in there 15:56:08 <piet> I have a few recommendations 15:56:53 <piet> For example, we need a review guideline (heuristic) for UX Cores reviewing mocks 15:57:08 <piet> Would like to continue working on personas 15:57:32 <piet> three minutes 15:58:00 <piet> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-mid-cycle 15:58:09 <piet> please leave recommendations on topics 15:59:03 <piet> Anything else? 15:59:14 <piet> 5 15:59:16 <piet> 4 15:59:16 <piet> 3 15:59:17 <piet> 2 15:59:19 <piet> 1 15:59:29 <piet> Have a good weekend!!!! 15:59:39 <piet> #endmeeting openstack_ux