15:11:36 #startmeeting openstack_ux 15:11:37 Meeting started Fri May 13 15:11:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is piet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:11:38 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:11:40 The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ux' 15:11:48 it might be worth sending a calendar invite so folks have it on their calendar 15:11:59 I still have it from last year and it's on the wrong weeks 15:12:24 julim assuming we get agreement on a time. May need to reach-out to the foundation or TC about this... 15:12:35 #topic gratuities woot! 15:12:47 \o/ 15:13:04 piet - I think time is already decided unless you're thinking to change it again 15:13:08 * ducttape_ is super confused right now 15:14:35 ducttape_ me too - there seems to be some disagreement between the calendar download and clicking on the time in eavesdrop 15:14:45 Anyhooo.... 15:15:19 The foundation has agree to provides funding to provide gratuities for user research 15:15:22 let's talk just the same, if there are issues / things to work through ? 15:15:56 AWESOME news of gratuties! 15:16:14 yeah, great news 15:16:23 This is good because it helps attract people that wouldn't ordinarily participate in studies. Seriously, this is epic 15:16:54 funding approved for 3 surveys and 4 studies!!! 15:17:00 for this release 15:17:43 Yep, for the next six months. Important to show value so they continue to provide funding 15:17:57 Any thoughts? 15:18:34 Kk 15:19:09 #topic research activities for the next six months 15:19:58 In may, we are planning to distribute a survey to recruit app developers and deployers for any studies conducted by the community 15:20:55 $300 in sweepstakes although we don't know whether to offer three gift certificates or what... 15:21:33 Any questions on why we're doing this? 15:22:11 Kk 15:23:19 In June, we will be distributing a survey to the recruited app devs to collected richer data than is currently being provided by the semi annual user survey 15:24:12 BTW the recruitment survey can be found at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-osux-appdevrecruiter 15:24:36 Thanks for julim for doing most of the work 15:24:56 However, feedback from the group is welcome 15:25:21 np piet. happy to help. 15:25:51 it still can do with some further updates/refinements, and we would appreciate folks taking a look and commenting. thanks! 15:26:04 Yep 15:26:19 ducttape_ we will be running a study on quotas and operators in July 15:26:49 ducttape_ helping operators manage quotas is a priority for us 15:27:49 Thanks to ducttape_ for helping to drive that meeting with stakeholders to discuss quotas 15:29:08 After that, we are planning to focus on personas, APIs, deployer/configuration and OSC 15:29:25 Very busy the next six months! 15:29:51 Questions? Schedule can be found here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/UX#Research_Priorities_for_Newton 15:30:51 #topic user experience track 15:31:49 Hoping to add user experience as a track for the next summit. Thinking it would be good to have the projects talk about how their efforts specifically benefit users 15:32:53 Questions? julim ? ducttape_ ? hurgleburgler ? 15:32:56 sorry, dropped 15:33:00 np 15:33:08 no prob on helping out, I like to complain 15:33:28 no questions. 15:33:31 ducttape_ thinking that you're supportive of working on quotas 15:33:40 thank you piet for all your work and for pushing in all these directions. 15:33:51 good progress being made all around! 15:33:55 julim thanks! 15:34:15 julim feel like we're finally getting some traction. 15:34:22 +1 15:34:34 agree would be nice to talk about it at next summit in barcelona 15:34:56 Any other questions? ducttape_ julim hurgleburgler 15:35:04 none from me 15:35:09 Kk 15:35:09 in general or on that subject? 15:35:12 none from me 15:36:09 hurgleburgler Did you have a question on this topic? Or should i move on to general discussion? 15:36:18 nope, i'm good 15:36:19 we can move on 15:36:26 Kk 15:36:41 hurgleburgler was there anything else you would like to discuss? 15:36:59 I was wondering about progress on the replacement for Invision 15:37:07 You had briefly mentioned it in Austin 15:37:13 Good question 15:37:14 as something infra was going to try and run for us? 15:37:30 #topic Invision replacement 15:38:29 There seems to be more discussion on whether the community should use phabricator or continue to develop on storyboard 15:38:47 makes my head hurt a bit 15:39:19 storyboard won't have a mock review feature for likely a year 15:39:27 So, the tool we want to use is located in Phabricator? 15:39:38 or rather, the one we want to vet 15:40:05 hurgleburgler Yep - https://phacility.com/phabricator/pholio/ 15:40:22 I'm currently thinking we move to pholio 15:40:35 What would that take? 15:40:49 The infra team has stated they can have pholio up in about two months 15:40:55 In production 15:41:10 piet: if they choose to go that way 15:41:21 right now I think they've decided to decide 15:41:29 lol 15:41:45 david-lyle yep, that's what I was also told 15:42:12 But we need a new solution ASAP is the feedback I'm currently getting from the team 15:42:27 Is that a fair characterization? 15:42:42 piet people complain, it's 90% of what we are 15:42:49 Cause folks are hating on Invision 15:42:50 david-lyle: any indication when the decision will be made? 15:42:55 david-lyle Heh 15:43:18 hurgleburgler: no, but piet can ask :) 15:43:33 hurgleburgler on whether to use phabricator or storyoard? 15:44:30 hurgleburgler to give some context, they were having this conversation back in vancouver summit 15:44:34 the infra phabricator decision 15:45:22 hurgleburgler The honest answer is we don't know, but will likely take a while 15:45:46 just wondering 15:45:57 hurgleburgler if they move to storyboard then continued development will take significant time 15:46:31 my thinking is that we move to pholio for now 15:46:49 If they adopt phab then lucky us 15:47:21 If they adopt storyboard then it will be a while before it has a mock review tool 15:47:29 thoughts? 15:47:40 I just think moving for moving's sake is not a great move 15:48:03 I thought we would get to evaluate a possible replacement 15:48:04 there are real costs to transitioning 15:48:05 is that not an option? 15:48:35 I'll poke at it a bit, maybe I can just get something running for us to look at first 15:48:37 Put out an instance of pholio for review but no one tried to use it 15:48:55 piet: is it still running? 15:49:02 did you post to the ML? or how did you let people know? 15:49:15 Because of the stalemate they killed the current instance of phab 15:49:55 david-lyle Posted to the status email I send ~ ever week and in a separate email 15:50:23 However, I have no problem asking craige to run another instance to evaluate. Let me know... 15:50:34 piet: what's the executive summary about what pholio fixes over invision? 15:50:37 Do you still send those? 15:50:42 I haven't gotten one in ages 15:51:07 Sending one after this meeting 15:51:19 last one was a few weeks ago 15:51:23 How long did it take them to set it up? 15:51:27 can we ask them to spin it up again? 15:51:48 history? 15:52:04 hurgleburgler I can reach-out to craige and ask 15:52:37 david-lyle what do you mean by history? The phab decision by infra? 15:52:59 piet: that feature seems to be an improvement 15:53:03 having a history 15:53:21 wondering what else it does better 15:53:28 but you can table me for now 15:53:50 You can review, but I recall it provides a history for the mock including when it was updated and comments 15:53:50 just seems the benefit should outweigh the transition cost 15:54:07 Also, open source and hosted on our servers 15:54:11 so was trying to understand the benefits 15:54:20 all good things 15:54:49 Lemme have them put up and instance and we can evaluate. Sound good? 15:54:53 \o/ 15:55:20 Are there any designs coming through the pipe line that we can evaluate it on? 15:55:29 Kk 15:55:37 Anything else? 15:55:59 5 15:56:02 4 15:56:09 3 15:56:11 2 15:56:12 1 15:56:38 Good meeting - totally glad we met thanks!!! 15:57:00 Have a good weekend! 15:57:01 #endmeeting openstack_ux