15:00:20 #startmeeting openstack_ux 15:00:21 Meeting started Fri Jul 22 15:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is piet_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:22 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:24 The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ux' 15:00:31 Morning 15:01:15 Hi :) 15:01:26 Morning 15:01:32 Let's wait a few minutes 15:02:08 Got your email 15:02:13 cool 15:02:20 hi 15:02:34 Hi julim 15:02:44 hi piet_ 15:02:55 o/ 15:03:04 had an interesting mtg with the OpenStack event planning yesterday 15:03:52 More later, but potential source for tons of people for research 15:03:56 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/UX#Next_meeting 15:04:20 #topic Cores 15:04:41 Still have created a guideline, so not much to say yet 15:04:53 Still "haven't" 15:05:08 Assuming no questions 15:05:52 #topic ongoing research 15:06:20 uxdanielle Anything to add on the App Developer study? 15:06:42 Other than we are desperately trying to schedule more participants, no updates 15:07:03 How may have we had? 15:07:34 Two that weren't really a fit, and one that was mostly a fit. 15:07:41 Kk 15:07:56 Did Craige and Patricia watch the one that mostly fit? 15:08:51 I believe so. That was the most recent one. Craig commented that he had gotten some good feedback 15:08:52 uxdanielle ? 15:09:00 Kk 15:09:40 What's interesting is that the "App Ecosystem WG" is still trying to define an App Developer which kind of impacts recruiting 15:10:00 Yeah I noticed that discussion got reopened 15:10:08 Has anyone tried going to the openstack meetups/conferences/bug smashes etc? 15:10:32 robcresswell To recruit of run studeis? 15:10:37 "or" 15:10:43 recruit, make contacts etc 15:11:06 I went to the Austin OpenStack meetup last night. But fewer attendees - 7 or 8 people. Nobody I talked to seemed to fit the App Dev criteria but at least they know I exist now 15:11:30 wow, thats surprisingly small :( 15:11:33 I also posted about the study on the message board, so there's potential there. Reached out to a few friends also 15:11:40 Coincidentally, I did meet with the events coordinator for OpenStack yesterday in Dillon, CO 15:11:49 It's July in Texas...people are too hot to do any kinds of activities ;) 15:12:35 Turns out that the foundation has a list of anyone that has let them scan their page at a conference 15:13:10 I just need to work with them a bit to distribute the recruitment screener 15:13:17 Nice 15:13:20 Big win if we can pull it off 15:13:37 Well over 2k 15:13:54 Anything else for this topic? 15:14:06 Help research? 15:14:20 #topic Help/Documentation research 15:14:42 uxdanielle Updates? 15:14:54 Had one participant yesterday (another cancelled). One more later this afternoon and 5 more scheduled for next week 15:15:03 Kk 15:15:20 Anyone watching the sessions? 15:15:50 No although I invited Laura (and Lana, to the session that will be at 8pm) and she will attend where possible 15:16:20 Kk - wee need to expand the list of observers so we get buy-in 15:16:22 We'll meet with the group of students that expressed interest in observing/taking notes this afternoon, so they may also attend future sessions 15:16:39 Who should I contact about that? 15:16:50 thinking 15:16:52 Ju 15:17:05 Anne Gentle? 15:17:21 Maybe Alex 15:17:50 Few other people in docs 15:17:52 Reach-out to me later 15:18:01 Docs team? Or recommendations on who should watch from Lana 15:18:04 Okay 15:18:30 Ask Lana, but may have you send an email to a few folks to see if they are interested 15:19:03 Alexandra Settle is also a good candidate 15:19:27 Joseph Robinson 15:19:57 How did the first interview go? Who did you chat with? 15:19:58 happy to help piet_ uxdanielle 15:20:57 It went really well. Spoke with a guy named Charles from Intel - he has a unique experience as he will often look at the code to troubleshoot problems, likely not representative of most operators 15:21:28 Maybe... 15:21:28 Notes here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-helpP2 15:21:46 Some good nuggets though 15:21:48 Not the first one that mentioned looking at code as I recall 15:22:19 Haha, that's what he thought himself. Let's see what the others say 15:22:38 Coolio...adding more observers within the community is a priority - otherwise no buy-in 15:22:47 I think it would probably not be uncommon for folks to look at code to solve 15:22:58 as to do openstack successfully you've to embrace devops 15:23:10 by that, you've got to have a developer mindset to be successful 15:23:36 julim can you recommend any devops people? 15:23:37 Interesting...good to know Ju 15:23:45 for what? 15:24:06 Maybe the first two folks from the App Devloper study? 15:24:21 julim For the help interviews 15:24:34 Planning etherpad here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-help 15:25:20 uxdanielle How much feedback did Lana and the other stakeholder have on the study plan? 15:25:30 how many participants do you still need 15:25:57 Not many at all...maybe two 15:25:59 We filled out a lot more questions for the guide at the meeting on Wednesday. 15:26:21 uxdanielle just wanted to make sure they have some owenership 15:26:59 Yes. They added some good things to the guide 15:27:56 Kk 15:28:29 julim Also thinking about a study to understand how people thing about their customer 15:29:10 I might be able to find 1-2 people... 15:29:21 julim DevOps 15:29:35 regarding how people think about their customer _piet will have to do with industry 15:29:49 e.g. a nfv/telco vs. enterprise vs. university 15:30:00 julim Exactly 15:30:26 Maybe have the foundation drive this one? Intel may also have some resource internally 15:31:08 would need to know what problem we are trying to solve... 15:31:12 and goal 15:31:51 Yeah...still need to work on definition. I just thinking a high level understanding of "customer" is important 15:32:01 Agree...Piet we should have a discussion about this especially if the research is being scheduled for August 15:32:32 uxdanielle May push-off and have a marketing group handle this... 15:32:54 uxdanielle But we need a plan 15:33:00 Yeah 15:33:27 #topic 15:33:31 Damn it 15:33:39 #topic UX guidelines 15:35:10 The GUI Guideline, GUI text Guideline and Personas will be combined into a UX section in the Developer Guideline 15:35:45 GUI and personas are being combined? 15:36:20 GUI Guideline has been posted for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345930 15:36:49 robcresswell Into the same section in the Developer Guidelines. The docs haven't been combined 15:36:56 Ah oka 15:36:58 okay* 15:38:05 julim Need eyes on the personas doc https://review.openstack.org/326662 15:38:17 Worried they may have embelished 15:38:28 will look piet_ 15:39:04 julim Thanks 15:39:09 np 15:39:28 julim Need Jeff C. looking as well as the PMs 15:40:25 #topic 15:40:39 #topic Design Reviews 15:41:02 Moving to pholio https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340641/2/specs/pholio.rst 15:41:22 Started to archive current projects in Invision 15:42:22 Which is like pulling teeth very slowly without anything to numb you 15:42:47 An angel cries every time I open Invision 15:43:29 So, we are also likely moving to limesurvey.org for our survey software 15:43:40 open source and very mature 15:44:21 uxdanielle julim You future may included learning limesurvey and pholio 15:44:44 robcresswell Your future will include learning pholio 15:44:51 Will check them out 15:45:01 ack piet_ 15:45:08 uxdanielle Alex liked your comments in Invision 15:45:27 Great :) 15:45:34 #topic summit presentation 15:46:12 "Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!: Developing the ultimate help system for OpenStack Operators " has been submitted 15:46:39 "Understanding our OpenStack Application Developers" has been submitted 15:47:01 "Four studies, one conclusion: Who is an OpenStack user?" has been submitted 15:47:31 "Lost in a Forest of Users: Five Paths to User-Driven Development" has unfortunately been submitted 15:48:07 "Can't we all just agree?: OpenStack Personas, GUI and UI Text Guidelines for a consistent user experience" has been submitted 15:48:29 "A look into the future: A consistent OpenStack GUI" has been submitted 15:48:36 Just an FYI 15:49:33 #topic College projects 15:50:15 uxdanielle and I have been talking to some college programs about having students do design work 15:51:53 robcresswell uxdanielle julim Need recommendations on topics for the students like a proposal for a new overview panel 15:52:32 #topic open floor 15:52:38 Anything else? 15:52:59 5 15:53:00 Oh the OSIC project 15:53:00 piet_ student topic: devise workflow for sahara (at least for the 2 main personas) 15:53:29 julim Can you descirbe sahara 15:53:34 piet_ identify inconsistency areas and provide recommendation for fixes 15:53:49 piet_ workflow is virtually non-existent or broken 15:54:28 Are they familiar with openstack? Overview really needs to come from ops 15:55:11 robcresswell Naw - there needs to be a high level overview. I also need to provide people for them to interview 15:55:20 crazy kids 15:55:27 sahara is the big data app in horizon 15:55:38 What a GUI for creating heat templates? 15:55:52 julim Kk 15:55:53 the sahara folks asked for help 15:56:18 Yeah, they have a workflow atm that has potentially something like 30 steps 15:56:21 and growing 15:56:23 depending on config. 15:56:33 yes needs to be streamlined and simplified 15:56:37 too long and complex 15:56:39 Kk 15:56:47 needs to be opinionated 15:56:57 refstack also asked for help 15:57:30 Anything else? 15:57:38 5 15:57:40 4 15:57:42 Did some tasks with Horizon with OSIC students and administered ratings/got feedback. Writing a report that should be finished early next week 15:57:42 3 15:57:55 Oh yeah! Big win! 15:58:07 Potential for future collaboration also 15:58:14 Tell robcresswell and julim about this! 15:58:28 uxdanielle Any high level findings? 15:58:40 Or too soon? 15:59:02 have to jump off. need to go to another mtg. 15:59:09 See ya! 15:59:25 uxdanielle When do you plan to have a presentation? 16:00:03 Yes, a few small design tweaks - students had a hard time figuring out you could drag/drop manually to redo NIC order 16:00:24 yep. note surprising 16:00:28 "not" 16:00:37 When will you have a presentation? 16:01:08 Some areas that could benefit from more feedback/explanation. I am writing the report now - would like to have that to you Piet by COB Monday or sooner 16:01:32 Would feel confident with presenting/distributing after Tuesday to make sure all the kinks are worked out 16:01:39 Kk will schedule a presentation a wee from tuesday 16:01:51 ok all done 16:02:01 :) 16:02:02 cheers 16:02:04 #endmeeting openstack_ux