19:06:00 <dtroyer> #startmeeting openstackclient
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19:06:05 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'
19:06:18 <dtroyer> hey all!  Sorry I'm late…last call ran over...
19:06:21 <dtroyer> anyone still here?
19:06:27 <rtheis> hi
19:06:37 <brad_behle> hi
19:08:11 <dtroyer> sounds a little quiet today…
19:08:18 <dtroyer> #topic summit planning
19:08:31 <dtroyer> I created the Etherpad for our session
19:08:33 <dtroyer> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-openstackclient
19:09:17 <dtroyer> I've started throwing in some things
19:09:23 <baumann1> Hi sorry I'm a little late :)
19:09:26 <rtheis> Thanks dtroyer
19:09:43 <dtroyer> please contribute
19:09:48 <rtheis> will do
19:10:31 <dtroyer> that session is almost exactly one week from right now ;)
19:10:49 <dtroyer> we have a workroom session immediately following
19:11:06 <dtroyer> And the meetup Friday afternoon
19:12:16 <dtroyer> anything else summit-related?
19:12:28 <dtroyer> FWIW, I'll be in town Saturday evening
19:12:29 <rtheis> nothing else from me
19:12:58 <dtroyer> rtheis: do I remember right you leave Tuesday afternoon?
19:13:07 <rtheis> I'll be in Austin Sunday night through Tuesday night
19:13:13 <rtheis> dtroyer: correct
19:13:32 <dtroyer> ok, we need to make sure to find some time for $COLD_BEVERAGE in there
19:13:46 <rtheis> dtroyer: that sounds good to me
19:14:24 <dtroyer> #topic release
19:14:39 <dtroyer> For the record, 2.4.0 was released yesterday
19:14:56 <rtheis> awesome
19:15:39 <dtroyer> tentative plan is for the next release to be a major rev with changes including the ksc-ksa change,  new floating/fixed IP commands, and some smaller possibly not-compatibly stuffs
19:16:00 <dtroyer> I'd like to do the package rename too
19:16:08 <rtheis> okay
19:16:20 <rtheis> dtroyer: do you have a date in mind for the next release?
19:17:03 <dtroyer> mid-May-ish?  the first of the ksa stuff is close
19:17:11 <dtroyer> the ip commands are close too
19:17:14 <rtheis> ok
19:17:29 <rtheis> I just started looking at those ip commands
19:17:44 <dtroyer> we should be keeping a list of the major-rev changes we want to do
19:18:40 <dtroyer> #topic reviews
19:18:55 <dtroyer> there's been a lot of activity lately, anything anyone wants to highlight?
19:19:34 <rtheis> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307556/
19:20:09 <rtheis> Want to double-check on the boolean options ... reedip was wondering how much room there is to deviate.
19:20:43 <dtroyer> we talked about that in IRC last night a bit
19:21:29 <dtroyer> my reason for wanting to use a consistent style is totally defensive against devs doing copy-n-paste and not understanding the APIs well enough to know when other ways work and don't work
19:22:09 <dtroyer> we have APIs that do various things but that doesn't mean we should handle them all differently too
19:22:34 * dtroyer reads review comments
19:22:54 <dtroyer> in that case, why should that option be —non-vlan-transport?
19:23:02 <dtroyer> rather than —no-vlan-transport?
19:23:09 <dtroyer> err, transparent
19:23:32 <dtroyer> little differences like that are maddening for users
19:23:37 <rtheis> agreed
19:23:57 <dtroyer> I haven't seen a reason yet, has he mentioned one?
19:24:37 <rtheis> looking...
19:24:46 <dtroyer> ah, "grammar"
19:25:20 <rtheis> yep
19:26:03 <dtroyer> so that's why i lean toward simple rules, and knowingly violate grammar
19:26:14 <dtroyer> we ignore plurals too for the same reason
19:26:39 <rtheis> I agree.
19:26:44 <dtroyer> what about —transparent-vlan and —no-transparent-vlan?
19:27:14 <rtheis> That sounds like a good alternative.
19:29:15 <dtroyer> any other reviews?
19:29:43 <rtheis> nothing else from me
19:31:29 <dtroyer> #topic bugs
19:31:33 <dtroyer> Any bugs?
19:32:10 <rtheis> no specific bugs to discuss
19:32:51 <dtroyer> well, this is going quickly
19:32:55 <rtheis> I was working with Tang to do some bug cleanup
19:33:11 <rtheis> several bugs were fixed but not marked as such
19:33:16 <dtroyer> thanks, I have not done nearly enough of that lately
19:33:33 <rtheis> yw
19:33:43 <dtroyer> I found one of those doing the release note cleanup, figured there would be more
19:33:44 <dtroyer> thanks guys
19:34:04 <rtheis> thanks for cleaning up the release notes
19:34:36 <rtheis> we are getting better at them but still learning
19:35:22 <dtroyer> yeah, I think a bit more detail would be good too.  Some of the ones I merged had the details, but they were basically duplicates.
19:35:54 <dtroyer> and we should start pushing those details back into the docs too so they are more than just syntax references
19:36:37 <rtheis> dtroyer: so say more than just "os port create" command added?
19:36:41 <rtheis> explain what it does?
19:37:52 <dtroyer> enough to be able to match it to an install guide or project doc, we don't want to duplicate too much
19:38:07 <rtheis> sure
19:38:25 <dtroyer> sometimes with the network commands I didn't even know what the resource was, we can do high-level stuff that isn't going to bit rot too quickly
19:39:09 <rtheis> sounds good
19:39:49 <dtroyer> for the release notes, the new command added might be good enough, but the doc for it should have more.  the notes are for users trying to decide how this release affects them
19:40:13 <rtheis> ok
19:40:41 <dtroyer> so explaining the subtlties of a change might be totally appropriate there
19:41:02 <dtroyer> #topic open discussion
19:41:07 <dtroyer> what else is going on?
19:41:58 <rtheis> when does meeting schedule change?
19:42:19 <dtroyer> it would have been next week, but no meeting during summit, so May 12
19:42:25 <dtroyer> thanks for the reminder
19:42:31 <rtheis> thanks
19:43:30 <rtheis> nothing else from me
19:43:42 <baumann1> What's the new meeting schedule going to be again?
19:43:58 <dtroyer> Even weeks move to Thursday at 13:00 UTC
19:44:13 <dtroyer> Odd weeks stay here
19:44:20 <dtroyer> also, even weeks moved to #openstack-meeting-3
19:45:05 <baumann1> Thanks dtroyer :)
19:45:58 <dtroyer> ok then, since stevemar isn't here to sing about the Blue Jays, let's call it early
19:46:16 <rtheis> bye
19:46:18 <dtroyer> Thanks everyone, see y'all next week!
19:46:29 <dtroyer> #endmeeting