19:06:00 <dtroyer> #startmeeting openstackclient 19:06:01 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Apr 21 19:06:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:06:02 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:06:05 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' 19:06:18 <dtroyer> hey all! Sorry I'm late…last call ran over... 19:06:21 <dtroyer> anyone still here? 19:06:27 <rtheis> hi 19:06:37 <brad_behle> hi 19:08:11 <dtroyer> sounds a little quiet today… 19:08:18 <dtroyer> #topic summit planning 19:08:31 <dtroyer> I created the Etherpad for our session 19:08:33 <dtroyer> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-openstackclient 19:09:17 <dtroyer> I've started throwing in some things 19:09:23 <baumann1> Hi sorry I'm a little late :) 19:09:26 <rtheis> Thanks dtroyer 19:09:43 <dtroyer> please contribute 19:09:48 <rtheis> will do 19:10:31 <dtroyer> that session is almost exactly one week from right now ;) 19:10:49 <dtroyer> we have a workroom session immediately following 19:11:06 <dtroyer> And the meetup Friday afternoon 19:12:16 <dtroyer> anything else summit-related? 19:12:28 <dtroyer> FWIW, I'll be in town Saturday evening 19:12:29 <rtheis> nothing else from me 19:12:58 <dtroyer> rtheis: do I remember right you leave Tuesday afternoon? 19:13:07 <rtheis> I'll be in Austin Sunday night through Tuesday night 19:13:13 <rtheis> dtroyer: correct 19:13:32 <dtroyer> ok, we need to make sure to find some time for $COLD_BEVERAGE in there 19:13:46 <rtheis> dtroyer: that sounds good to me 19:14:24 <dtroyer> #topic release 19:14:39 <dtroyer> For the record, 2.4.0 was released yesterday 19:14:56 <rtheis> awesome 19:15:39 <dtroyer> tentative plan is for the next release to be a major rev with changes including the ksc-ksa change, new floating/fixed IP commands, and some smaller possibly not-compatibly stuffs 19:16:00 <dtroyer> I'd like to do the package rename too 19:16:08 <rtheis> okay 19:16:20 <rtheis> dtroyer: do you have a date in mind for the next release? 19:17:03 <dtroyer> mid-May-ish? the first of the ksa stuff is close 19:17:11 <dtroyer> the ip commands are close too 19:17:14 <rtheis> ok 19:17:29 <rtheis> I just started looking at those ip commands 19:17:44 <dtroyer> we should be keeping a list of the major-rev changes we want to do 19:18:40 <dtroyer> #topic reviews 19:18:55 <dtroyer> there's been a lot of activity lately, anything anyone wants to highlight? 19:19:34 <rtheis> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307556/ 19:20:09 <rtheis> Want to double-check on the boolean options ... reedip was wondering how much room there is to deviate. 19:20:43 <dtroyer> we talked about that in IRC last night a bit 19:21:29 <dtroyer> my reason for wanting to use a consistent style is totally defensive against devs doing copy-n-paste and not understanding the APIs well enough to know when other ways work and don't work 19:22:09 <dtroyer> we have APIs that do various things but that doesn't mean we should handle them all differently too 19:22:34 * dtroyer reads review comments 19:22:54 <dtroyer> in that case, why should that option be —non-vlan-transport? 19:23:02 <dtroyer> rather than —no-vlan-transport? 19:23:09 <dtroyer> err, transparent 19:23:32 <dtroyer> little differences like that are maddening for users 19:23:37 <rtheis> agreed 19:23:57 <dtroyer> I haven't seen a reason yet, has he mentioned one? 19:24:37 <rtheis> looking... 19:24:46 <dtroyer> ah, "grammar" 19:25:20 <rtheis> yep 19:26:03 <dtroyer> so that's why i lean toward simple rules, and knowingly violate grammar 19:26:14 <dtroyer> we ignore plurals too for the same reason 19:26:39 <rtheis> I agree. 19:26:44 <dtroyer> what about —transparent-vlan and —no-transparent-vlan? 19:27:14 <rtheis> That sounds like a good alternative. 19:29:15 <dtroyer> any other reviews? 19:29:43 <rtheis> nothing else from me 19:31:29 <dtroyer> #topic bugs 19:31:33 <dtroyer> Any bugs? 19:32:10 <rtheis> no specific bugs to discuss 19:32:51 <dtroyer> well, this is going quickly 19:32:55 <rtheis> I was working with Tang to do some bug cleanup 19:33:11 <rtheis> several bugs were fixed but not marked as such 19:33:16 <dtroyer> thanks, I have not done nearly enough of that lately 19:33:33 <rtheis> yw 19:33:43 <dtroyer> I found one of those doing the release note cleanup, figured there would be more 19:33:44 <dtroyer> thanks guys 19:34:04 <rtheis> thanks for cleaning up the release notes 19:34:36 <rtheis> we are getting better at them but still learning 19:35:22 <dtroyer> yeah, I think a bit more detail would be good too. Some of the ones I merged had the details, but they were basically duplicates. 19:35:54 <dtroyer> and we should start pushing those details back into the docs too so they are more than just syntax references 19:36:37 <rtheis> dtroyer: so say more than just "os port create" command added? 19:36:41 <rtheis> explain what it does? 19:37:52 <dtroyer> enough to be able to match it to an install guide or project doc, we don't want to duplicate too much 19:38:07 <rtheis> sure 19:38:25 <dtroyer> sometimes with the network commands I didn't even know what the resource was, we can do high-level stuff that isn't going to bit rot too quickly 19:39:09 <rtheis> sounds good 19:39:49 <dtroyer> for the release notes, the new command added might be good enough, but the doc for it should have more. the notes are for users trying to decide how this release affects them 19:40:13 <rtheis> ok 19:40:41 <dtroyer> so explaining the subtlties of a change might be totally appropriate there 19:41:02 <dtroyer> #topic open discussion 19:41:07 <dtroyer> what else is going on? 19:41:58 <rtheis> when does meeting schedule change? 19:42:19 <dtroyer> it would have been next week, but no meeting during summit, so May 12 19:42:25 <dtroyer> thanks for the reminder 19:42:31 <rtheis> thanks 19:43:30 <rtheis> nothing else from me 19:43:42 <baumann1> What's the new meeting schedule going to be again? 19:43:58 <dtroyer> Even weeks move to Thursday at 13:00 UTC 19:44:13 <dtroyer> Odd weeks stay here 19:44:20 <dtroyer> also, even weeks moved to #openstack-meeting-3 19:45:05 <baumann1> Thanks dtroyer :) 19:45:58 <dtroyer> ok then, since stevemar isn't here to sing about the Blue Jays, let's call it early 19:46:16 <rtheis> bye 19:46:18 <dtroyer> Thanks everyone, see y'all next week! 19:46:29 <dtroyer> #endmeeting