15:00:45 <serverascode> #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv
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15:00:55 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'operators_telco_nfv'
15:01:05 <serverascode> #topic roll call
15:01:17 <serverascode> anyone here for the operators telecom/nfv meeting?
15:02:20 <serverascode> I'll give it a couple minutes :)
15:03:18 * PerfectChaos waves
15:03:54 <serverascode> PerfectChaos: hi!
15:04:10 <PerfectChaos> Hello~
15:04:11 <serverascode> ok I'm just going to start going through some items to get them into the minutes :)
15:04:26 <serverascode> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telco-nfv-meeting-agenda
15:04:44 <serverascode> if anyone is lurking and has some additional topics feel free to add them
15:04:48 <serverascode> first up, Barcelona
15:04:54 <serverascode> #topic Barcelona Summit
15:05:24 <serverascode> I did submit a request for space at the Barcelona summit, so we will see if they provide us with some
15:05:40 <serverascode> anyone here going to Barcelona for the summit?
15:06:23 <serverascode> we are currently listed on the wiki for working group / teams
15:06:26 <serverascode> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee
15:06:46 <serverascode> I see a couple of +1s in the agenda which suggests some people are going
15:06:52 <PerfectChaos> It looks as though I am. I was one of those +1s.
15:07:06 <serverascode> ah, great
15:07:35 <serverascode> I think we will have some space for a meeting, but haven't gotten official word yet
15:07:53 <serverascode> I don't have anything else on Barcelona right now
15:08:02 <PerfectChaos> Let's hope so.
15:08:26 <serverascode> do you have anything you want me to look into for Barcelona?
15:08:38 <PerfectChaos> It feels like until we actively start doing more things, the in-person meetings are going to be a lot more active than these
15:08:50 <serverascode> I agree
15:09:02 <PerfectChaos> so it'll hopefully be a good way of getting more awareness out and getting more external input into things.
15:10:00 <serverascode> ok onto the next topic then
15:10:10 <serverascode> #topic Ironic RFE for ONIE
15:10:22 <serverascode> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1618195
15:10:22 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1618195 in Ironic "Ironic feature to manage network hardware" [Undecided,New]
15:10:54 <serverascode> At the ops midcycle there was an ironic session, and I mentioned the feature to manage netowrk gear, perhaps with onie
15:11:12 <serverascode> #link http://onie.org/
15:11:35 <serverascode> most whitebox switches use onie to load up a network operating system, and it would be cool if ironic could manage that
15:11:56 <serverascode> I don't know if that is something this team would like to work on, but it's a possiblitiyt
15:12:22 <serverascode> so I put in a "request for enhancement" for ironic
15:12:35 <PerfectChaos> That sounds like a neat idea.
15:13:14 <serverascode> the ironic PTL at the midcycle sounded interested
15:13:23 <PerfectChaos> Would that really fall until "enhancement for Ironic" scope, though? It sounds like it has the potential to be its own component
15:13:44 <PerfectChaos> cf. Nova for compute, Neutron for network
15:14:08 <serverascode> so like it's own project?
15:14:48 <PerfectChaos> Potentially
15:15:38 <serverascode> ok, yeah that's interesting
15:15:52 <serverascode> potentially something to discuss in depth at barcelona?
15:16:51 <PerfectChaos> Sounds like a plan.
15:18:01 <serverascode> #agreed Discuss managing network gear with OpenStack, potentially Ironic
15:18:15 <serverascode> ok, onto the next topic
15:18:28 <serverascode> #topic NYC Ops Midcycle
15:18:41 <serverascode> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-Telecom-NFV
15:18:58 <serverascode> we had a telecom/NFV session at the ops midcycle, and 18 ppl show up
15:19:08 <serverascode> which was waaay more than I was expecting
15:19:25 <serverascode> about 12 people self-identified as mostly wondering what NFV is and how it relates to OpenStack
15:19:38 <serverascode> so it kind of ended up being an intro session, which was fine
15:20:02 <serverascode> there was a security group bug which a lot of people knew about, let me find it
15:20:19 <serverascode> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1175464
15:20:19 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1175464 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "should not add default security group to quantum unless api-request had it" [High,In progress] - Assigned to sahid (sahid-ferdjaoui)
15:20:50 <serverascode> it's been around since 2013 and was only recently fixed, it's around turning off port security
15:21:18 <serverascode> any questions on the ops midcycle? that's about all I have for it
15:21:40 <PerfectChaos> Ah yes, I'm familiar with that one.
15:22:13 <serverascode> lol, amazing how many people know about it
15:23:13 <serverascode> oh, and there was some discussion regarding the OPNFV doctor project in the session on compute node failure
15:23:17 <serverascode> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1175464
15:23:17 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1175464 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "should not add default security group to quantum unless api-request had it" [High,In progress] - Assigned to sahid (sahid-ferdjaoui)
15:23:23 <serverascode> darn wrong link
15:23:39 <serverascode> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/doctor/Doctor+Home
15:23:44 <PerfectChaos> I'm a little surprised that 2/3 of the room didn't know what NFV is, given the increasing focus it's had in recent summits...
15:24:35 <serverascode> PerfectChaos: there were not many telecoms at the midcycle. Cable companies as usual were there though, Comcast, Charter. They are doing NFV related work.
15:24:50 * PerfectChaos nods
15:25:00 <serverascode> I'm not too sure what other telecoms where there...NTT was
15:25:04 <serverascode> other than that...
15:25:09 <PerfectChaos> I guess that's less likely to happen at the summit.
15:25:29 <serverascode> yes there will be lots of telecoms there for sure
15:25:36 <serverascode> there are two NFV tracks this year
15:26:09 <PerfectChaos> Which is probably just as well, since as you say, an intro session is fine but if we want to help improve the landscape for people using NFV it'll be more useful if we can hear from people who are actively working with NFV
15:26:26 <serverascode> right
15:27:39 <serverascode> ok the only other thing I was going to mention was the Verizon paper
15:27:44 <serverascode> #topic Verizon paper
15:27:47 <serverascode> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/doctor/Doctor+Home
15:28:06 <serverascode> one more time
15:28:12 <serverascode> #link http://innovation.verizon.com/content/dam/vic/PDF/Verizon_SDN-NFV_Reference_Architecture.pdf
15:28:25 <serverascode> I read through it, quite extensive
15:28:49 <serverascode> not sure if perhaps  there is something our working group can do with that paper, but it's interesting
15:30:45 <PerfectChaos> I've only had chance to vaguely skim that thusfar. You're right in that it's interesting, though there's a lot to take in.
15:31:44 <serverascode> right, and quite different, at least in style/tone as compared to the ATT ecomp paper
15:31:47 <serverascode> #link http://about.att.com/content/dam/snrdocs/ecomp.pdf
15:31:49 <PerfectChaos> And unless there's something specific covered there which has particular expectations which OpenStack doesn't meet, I think our group wouldn't really have anything to focus on?
15:32:58 <serverascode> right, yeah, it's hard to determine boundaries between OpenStack and a complete telecom NFV system, which is huge and all ecompassing
15:33:13 <serverascode> I think SDN is still a big area of overlap
15:33:15 <PerfectChaos> The impression I got from my earlier skim through the Verizon paper was that it was more accounting for OpenStack's capabilities, rather than highlighting anything which it needs
15:33:46 <PerfectChaos> ...though I'll admit this was very much a quick skim through, so I am likely to have missed it if it does.
15:34:11 <serverascode> I'd have to look again, but I don't recall any major features desired
15:34:39 <serverascode> there was one area, the PIM, I think physical infrastructure manager, which could apply to OpenStack related projects
15:35:05 <serverascode> because apparently PIMs don't really exist yet
15:35:14 <serverascode> or haven't been properly defined
15:35:36 <serverascode> but that could relate to Ironic, or perhaps the new Craton project for fleet management
15:37:26 <serverascode> "ETSI NFV defines VIM but does not define PIM, which is an important functional block." pg. 21
15:39:38 <serverascode> ok, onto open discussion :)
15:39:44 <serverascode> #topic Open Discussion
15:40:03 <serverascode> anyone lurking? :) PerfectChaos have any other thoughts, ideas?
15:41:05 <PerfectChaos> Can't say I do for now.
15:41:26 <serverascode> ok I'll leave it open for a couple min but otherwise I don't have anything else
15:41:46 <serverascode> thanks for coming PerfectChaos :) much appreciated
15:43:27 <PerfectChaos> No problem. Thanks for all of your continuing efforts.
15:43:56 <PerfectChaos> Hopefully once we get started on doing some things we'll get a bit more traction.
15:44:23 <serverascode> yeah for sure, Barcelona should help
15:44:31 <serverascode> ok, I will end the meeting
15:44:52 <serverascode> #endmeeting