21:31:46 #startmeeting ops_guide 21:31:46 Meeting started Thu Jun 30 21:31:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:31:47 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:31:50 The meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide' 21:32:00 hello 21:32:08 roll call for ops/arch guide meeting? 21:32:23 I'm here! 21:32:29 hi DevonBoatwright 21:32:34 Hello! 21:32:45 anyone else here for the ops/arch guide meeting? 21:33:23 lets give it a few min 21:34:18 okie 21:36:55 hello 21:37:07 Hey darrenc! 21:37:17 sorry, I was caught up doing something else 21:37:21 hi darrenc 21:37:26 it looks like its just us 3 21:37:30 hiya 21:37:34 we were waiting to see if anyone else was joining 21:37:40 anyone else here for the ops/arch guide meeting? 21:37:42 ahh, ok 21:38:00 ok 21:38:10 well we can go ahead and get started 21:38:14 hello 21:38:20 hi katomo! 21:38:22 hi katomo 21:38:25 Hello! 21:38:41 #topic action items from last meeting 21:38:53 Devon has an update, she joined an ops meeting. Vic won't be joining but she can update us on Vic as well 21:39:01 or tried to join an ops meeting 21:39:09 I'll let you expand on that DevonBoatwright 21:39:43 I emailed so people pretty much have the details but I joined the tag meeting but it never actually happened. Turned out they only met once a month (not every other week) 21:39:51 And then the once a month meetings had not been happening either 21:40:10 So I will keep an eye out to see if the meeting will happen again. They are trying to communicate and be better organized about meeting 21:40:28 thanks, good to know 21:40:56 I saw Victor's email about the ops meeting 21:41:08 Vic joined the.. oh, I can't remember the name TELCOM? Was that what it was called? He had one person who said they would join.. but I guess that person isn't here. Hopefully they will check in, or maybe email for more info. 21:41:21 yeah 21:41:53 I mean, we have his user name.. so we could catch him on irc sometime, right? 21:42:19 sure, we can reach out to him 21:42:51 great 21:42:53 thats a start! 21:42:56 thanks Devon 21:43:16 No problem. Wish I could have helped a bit more. 21:44:02 Update from me: I submitted some patches to remove irrelevant or duplicated content in the ops guide 21:44:25 awesome 21:44:30 do you happen to have the links handy 21:44:36 one sec 21:44:55 ok 21:46:13 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331521/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330918/ 21:47:16 great thanks 21:47:19 we'll take a look 21:47:33 #topic Bug spotlights 21:47:41 so we are looking for volunteers for the bugs! 21:47:54 yep, ops guide related bugs 21:48:14 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1375623 - Mention files to backip for horizon/ceilometer/heat 21:48:14 Launchpad bug 1375623 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 14. Backup and Recovery in OpenStack Operations Guide - missing: Horizon Celiometer Swift Heat " [Medium,Confirmed] 21:48:25 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1580424 - fix architecture diagram 21:48:26 Launchpad bug 1580424 in openstack-manuals "error in OpenStack architecture picture" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Pallavi (pallavi-s) 21:48:32 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1457767 - Improve logging/monitoring content 21:48:32 Launchpad bug 1457767 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 21:48:41 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1457770 - Improve logging/monitoring content 21:48:42 Launchpad bug 1457770 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 21:48:50 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1457768 - Improve logging/monitoring content 21:48:51 Launchpad bug 1457768 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 21:49:00 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1499114 - Networking troubleshooting tools 21:49:00 Launchpad bug 1499114 in openstack-manuals "Document tools for Network Troubleshooting" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Richard (csravelar) 21:49:18 so 2 of them are assigned 21:49:45 yeah, I contacted the assignees to see if they are still working on them 21:49:53 yeah just saw that 21:49:58 ok great 21:50:10 no response so far 21:50:11 DevonBoatwright we can look through these and see if theres anything we can help with 21:50:16 and I messaged them as well 21:50:22 awesome ok 21:50:28 Sounds like a plan to me ShillaSaebi 21:50:37 lets wait till the next meeting and if no response, maybe reassign 21:50:45 I can tackle the arch diagram but need to know what else needs changing 21:51:12 katomo: you mentioned in the bug there were other changes required? 21:51:18 good 21:51:32 can you specify those changes? 21:52:11 darrenc: Yeah, but I can't remember... 21:52:20 I will write later. 21:52:31 no worries, thanks katomo :) 21:53:12 cool 21:53:24 #topic Enterprise ops documentation 21:53:26 remove EC2 API... and so one :) 21:53:46 ok 21:54:12 So, did anyone take at look at the doc? 21:55:29 can I ask what is mcollective? 21:56:23 It's all through the doc 21:56:49 yeah its a framework for building orchestration on servers... 21:56:50 I think there is some good troubleshooting in there 21:57:01 yeah i would think we should take the troubleshooting out and use that for the guide 21:58:02 katomo i got your request for access to the google docs 21:58:09 ill approve it as soon as this meeting is over 21:58:30 ShillaSaebi: thanks 21:58:42 The "Operationalizing OpenStack" process coule also be useful 21:58:53 s/coule/could 21:58:58 but make it more generic 22:00:10 ok 22:01:04 so next steps: work out where this content could go 22:01:40 We can edit the doc and make suggestions 22:01:49 and I can push up a patch with this infor 22:01:58 /infor/info 22:02:03 sounds good 22:02:12 yeah if we can find a home for it i can help push it up too 22:02:34 cool, thanks 22:02:35 and ill bring more docs too once were finished with this batch 22:02:38 good 22:02:42 sounds good 22:02:47 :D 22:02:56 #topic Arch Guide 22:03:08 Work items wiki page #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_restructure_work_items 22:04:04 Erm, so not much happening with the Arch Guide atm 22:04:42 Shaun will take a look at the Design chapter this week 22:05:18 but the reality is we need more people with technical knowledge on this project 22:05:51 yeah 22:05:52 +1 22:06:06 I've reached out the new Architecture Working Group on the dev ML 22:06:18 to* 22:06:28 agreed 22:06:53 We're not going to get far with just docs ppl doing this 22:07:08 yeah agreed 22:07:33 anyway, it would be great if this working group can get involved or even take some ownership of it 22:07:40 well reaching out to the arch wg is a great start 22:07:56 hopefully youll get some feedback or an update soon 22:08:33 +1 22:08:33 yeah, in the meantime I look at reworking mitaka changes in the new structure 22:09:50 awesome 22:09:55 cool anything else on this topic? 22:11:05 ok #topic open discussion 22:11:12 anything anyone would like to bring up? 22:11:24 yeah 22:11:41 nothing from me 22:12:10 so I'm wondering how effective it is to restructure a guide over a whole release cycle 22:13:01 so we have planned to restructure the arch guide and potentially the ops guide this cycle 22:13:45 so do you think that it's something we should break apart into chunks 22:13:50 but not many people have bandwidth to contribute to that scale of work 22:13:56 agreed 22:14:04 maybe we can break it up 22:14:23 yeah, I'm just concerned we'll hit the same issue last cycle with the arch guide 22:14:54 arrange some content here and there, but no real contributions from SMEs 22:15:04 right 22:15:32 how awesome would it be if the arch wg could give a huge helping hand in this effort 22:15:42 specially if its a team full of architects :D 22:15:49 true! 22:15:59 I think we need to reconsider our approach 22:16:30 agree 22:17:28 We really architects providing guidance to the arch guide, and ops for the ops guide 22:18:04 and working alongside docs to drive those changes 22:18:39 yeah 22:18:41 I mean we used to do the book sprint thing 22:18:45 i couldnt agree with that more 22:19:12 pile a bunch of people in a room for a week and churn out a book 22:19:25 is that easier for people to do 22:19:35 since they don't have to allocate time on a weekly basis, steadily 22:19:40 and just hammer it out in a week? 22:19:53 Yeah, there are pluses and minuses 22:20:16 pluses, you get a book 22:20:47 minus, stuck in a conf room 22:20:55 minuses, book content and structure is limited to the people in the room 22:21:28 You need the right mix of SMEs and docs 22:21:32 is anyone going to the ops mid cycle? 22:21:38 thats another great place to find SMEs 22:23:05 I don't think I will be 22:23:13 Nice location, though 22:25:42 i wont be either 22:25:48 but we have a few folks from Comcast going 22:25:55 I will make sure to let them know to look for contributors 22:27:17 ok anything else anyone wants to bring up? 22:27:29 If I remember correctly, I *think* Lana was looking at appointing an Ops docs liason 22:27:47 was that on the ML 22:27:54 sounds somewhat familiar 22:29:29 looks like were out of time 22:29:36 can we continue that on the ML DarenC? 22:29:39 DarrenC 22:29:52 yep, you read my mind :) 22:30:28 ok everyone 22:30:30 thank you so much for joining 22:30:36 yw 22:30:39 have a good one!! 22:30:40 thanks, good day. 22:30:47 see ya next time, good day/evening/night all! 22:30:48 See ya Shilla 22:30:49 thanks everyone! 22:30:53 #endmeeting