21:06:53 <ShillaSaebi> #startmeeting ops-guide
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21:07:35 <ShillaSaebi> hi everyone
21:07:38 <ShillaSaebi> roll call?
21:08:09 <darrenc> \o
21:09:27 <mrhillsman> i am here
21:09:29 <mrhillsman> apologies
21:09:34 <darrenc> hi!
21:09:40 <mrhillsman> o/ just finished class
21:09:54 <darrenc> no worries, thanks for coming
21:10:23 <ShillaSaebi> awesome so it might be the 3 of us
21:10:39 <darrenc> I'll see if loquacities is around
21:11:22 <ShillaSaebi> ok
21:11:28 <ShillaSaebi> alright well lets get started in the meantime
21:11:37 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Previous meeting action items
21:12:04 <ShillaSaebi> i don't believe there were any particularly
21:12:11 <ShillaSaebi> Migrate enterprise ops documentation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366455/
21:12:22 <darrenc> Yep, that patch merged
21:12:26 <ShillaSaebi> yeah
21:12:36 <darrenc> Thanks for providing the info ShillaSaebi
21:12:40 <loquacities> hi everyone
21:12:51 <loquacities> i'm in another cons call, but i'm trying to watch this as well
21:12:58 <ShillaSaebi> hi loquacities!~
21:13:01 <loquacities> :)
21:13:10 <ShillaSaebi> Bug spotlight: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1457770
21:13:11 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1457770 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
21:13:15 <darrenc> \o
21:13:22 <ShillaSaebi> Improve logging/monitoring content #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1499114 - Networking troubleshooting tools
21:13:23 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1499114 in openstack-manuals "Document tools for Network Troubleshooting" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Rodrigo Caballero (rodrigo-caballero-abraham)
21:13:47 <darrenc> Need some volunteers to work on those ops-guide bugs
21:14:34 <darrenc> I see Rodrigo has taken 1499114
21:16:00 <darrenc> I guess I could ping some nova ppl to work on the first one
21:17:00 <darrenc> ok, we can move on :)
21:17:26 <ShillaSaebi> ok
21:17:41 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Ops Guide Discuss #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-Documentation and the direction of the Ops Guide
21:18:36 <darrenc> mrhillsman: so how did the docs session go at the ops midcycle?
21:18:55 <ShillaSaebi> yeah i wasn't there for the midcycle
21:18:59 <ShillaSaebi> hopefully we can get some insight
21:19:03 <loquacities> fyi: i've asked for a docs session in the ops track at barcelona
21:19:59 <ShillaSaebi> yeah i saw that email loquacities thank you!
21:20:06 <loquacities> np
21:21:29 <darrenc> So I guess we're trying to understand the main takeaways of the session
21:22:15 <darrenc> judging from the etherpad, it doesn't appear many people went to the session?
21:22:54 <loquacities> and the message is quite muddled, too
21:23:11 <darrenc> yep
21:23:25 <darrenc> there appears to be some discussion on reorganizing content
21:24:39 <darrenc> a similar approach to the install guides?
21:24:50 <darrenc> which doesn't make sense to me
21:25:12 <mrhillsman> i was not in the docs session unfortunately
21:25:15 <mrhillsman> however
21:25:41 <mrhillsman> i did as well catch wind of wants to update the ops guide
21:26:24 <darrenc> ok, did matt moderate the session?
21:26:31 <ShillaSaebi> i believe so
21:26:42 <mrhillsman> he did
21:26:58 <darrenc> ok
21:27:05 <mrhillsman> that's why i was not sure why he did not take lead
21:27:08 <loquacities> huh
21:27:17 <loquacities> matt told me you moderated it, mrhillsman
21:27:20 <mrhillsman> hehe
21:27:23 <mrhillsman> nope
21:27:32 <mrhillsman> i moderated osops < tools
21:27:47 <ShillaSaebi> yeah and in the etherpad it shows matt moderating as well #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-Documentation
21:27:51 <mrhillsman> and bringing more collaboration arounds ops in general
21:27:55 <loquacities> oh, maybe i misunderstood
21:28:04 <darrenc> me too
21:28:17 <darrenc> We definitely need more collaboration
21:28:51 <darrenc> the problem we need more ops ppl dedicated to working on the ops guide
21:28:55 <darrenc> is*
21:29:16 <ShillaSaebi> +1
21:29:21 <darrenc> We need to more technical input and direction on the guide
21:29:41 <mrhillsman> that would make sense
21:30:29 <darrenc> Do you know who could help?
21:31:16 <mrhillsman> i can assist as much as possible and we also can lean on openstack-operators irc and mailing list
21:32:06 <darrenc> ok, I haven't had much luck on the ops ML
21:32:44 <ShillaSaebi> its definitely been a challenge
21:33:14 <ShillaSaebi> maybe if we offer some kind of incentive/
21:33:54 <darrenc> swag? :)
21:34:08 <ShillaSaebi> that would be cool
21:35:00 <darrenc> thanks mrhillsman
21:35:45 <darrenc> I started an etherpad at the start of Newton to review the ops guide https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-guide-reorg
21:36:32 <darrenc> And removed old content and stuff not relevant to the ops guide
21:37:14 <darrenc> and we're moving the architecture chapter over to the ARch Guide
21:38:36 <darrenc> So if you can take a look at the ops section let us know what needs improving
21:38:51 <mrhillsman> yeah, ops folks very quiet
21:38:58 <mrhillsman> generally putting out their own fires
21:39:32 <mrhillsman> i can definitely help however but will need some guidance in terms of what/where you'd like me to help
21:39:35 <darrenc> yep :)
21:41:46 <darrenc> np, I can start a discussion thread on email
21:41:52 <ShillaSaebi> i can send more troubleshooting docs
21:41:53 <ShillaSaebi> :)
21:41:59 <ShillaSaebi> the enterprise ones
21:42:00 <darrenc> excellent :)
21:42:29 <mrhillsman> ok that sounds good
21:42:56 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Arch Guide
21:43:56 <darrenc> just a quick update
21:45:34 <darrenc> so for Newton, we're aiming to complete migration of the mitaka content into the new structure,
21:45:35 <darrenc> migration of arch chapter in the Ops Guide, and have a solid Arch Guide content structure in place
21:46:23 <darrenc> We're also focussed on writing the design chapter
21:46:38 <darrenc> so it's moving along
21:46:48 <ShillaSaebi> ok thats good news
21:48:17 <darrenc> that's all from me
21:48:45 <bsilverman> I agree with Darren
21:48:51 <bsilverman> :)
21:50:43 <ShillaSaebi> great
21:50:47 <ShillaSaebi> #topic open discussion
21:50:53 <ShillaSaebi> anything anyone would like to bring up?
21:51:28 <darrenc> nothing from me :)
21:51:36 <darrenc> netsplit
21:51:41 <ShillaSaebi> ditto
21:51:46 <ShillaSaebi> nows the new meeting time for everyone?
21:51:59 <bsilverman> +1
21:52:02 <mrhillsman> nothing from me
21:52:11 <darrenc> it seems to work for the four of us :)
21:52:27 <ShillaSaebi> cool
21:52:29 <ShillaSaebi> awesome
21:52:34 <ShillaSaebi> well thank you everyone for joining
21:52:42 <loquacities> thanks :)
21:52:42 <ShillaSaebi> see you next time!
21:52:59 <darrenc> thanks everyone!
21:53:22 <ShillaSaebi> #endmeeting