21:33:22 #startmeeting Ops Guide Specialty Team 21:33:23 Meeting started Thu Feb 11 21:33:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:33:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:33:27 The meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide_specialty_team' 21:33:29 o/ 21:33:35 i had no idea you had to be listed for that to work 21:33:36 hi everyone 21:33:41 can we get a roll call? 21:33:57 here 21:34:15 ok 21:34:24 and @DevonBoatwright as well 21:34:24 here 21:34:25 anyone else? 21:34:28 hi Darrenc 21:34:32 hi! 21:34:40 how it goes? 21:34:49 alright so lets go ahead and get started 21:34:52 busy! 21:35:05 According to the eavesdrop .ics feed the meeting is next week FYI 21:35:31 oh? 21:35:52 really 21:35:53 I was going with the google calendar invite 21:35:59 i thought it was odd weeks 21:36:10 :\ 21:36:32 yeah same here 21:36:35 cal invite 21:36:36 I don't mind having one today 21:36:48 as long as were not interfering with another meeting 21:36:49 there's a few things to discuss 21:36:50 which is entirely possible 21:37:04 DarrenC is that cal invite from you or me 21:37:10 we should cancel it 21:37:14 I think me 21:37:18 use ics so that we get it right 21:37:19 ok 21:37:23 ok awesome 21:37:23 will do 21:37:29 so that will be our first order of business! 21:37:30 o/ 21:37:33 hi vhoward 21:37:37 hey guys/gals 21:37:40 also can we list others as chairs too? 21:37:49 yep 21:37:50 i had no idea nobody else could start the meeting 21:38:02 so im currently at an appointment right now 21:38:03 yeah anyone can 21:38:06 wasnt going to make the meeting 21:38:07 I can put in a change in the irc-meetings project to add Devon if you like 21:38:15 Thanks 21:38:25 thanks nate 21:38:27 so i might drop off in 10-15 min or so 21:38:29 thanks guys! 21:38:58 ok so #topic Welcome Devon! 21:39:21 Devon is new to our team, she has been setup with Gerrit and launchpad and has been contributing this week as well 21:39:34 Welcome DevonBoatwright 21:39:36 she will be helping us w/the ops and arch guides and were excited to have her 21:39:48 \o/ 21:40:00 @darrenc i was wondering if we can update the wiki w/our team members 21:40:09 will do 21:40:25 it seems like we have a lot of ppl listed however no participation 21:40:25 Thanks! Excited to be here! 21:40:37 should we update the list and start with the members who are participating then do a call for help again? 21:40:38 yeah, I'll edit the list 21:40:47 maybe seeing a long list of names makes it seem like we have a full staff 21:40:53 good idea 21:40:59 yeah i noticed that the other day 21:41:05 and i thought wow thats a long list of names 21:41:09 looks like we have a big team 21:41:11 Hey, since I am editing the meeting config, shall I change this from biweekly-odd to biweekly-even and make this meeting legit? 21:41:19 yes! 21:41:37 that works 21:41:39 +1 on that njohnston: 21:41:44 thanks njohnston 21:41:53 so yeah maybe we can start the team list on our wiki from scratch and go from there 21:42:49 https://review.openstack.org/279276 21:43:42 cool thanks Nate that was quick! 21:43:55 no time like the present! 21:44:27 brb 21:45:51 ok edited the team list 21:48:02 cool just saw it 21:48:03 looks much better 21:48:07 #topic arch guide 21:48:23 on the agenda, we have: convert tasks to bugs, focus on arch guide 21:48:42 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka 21:49:10 thats Monday-Wednesday, March 7-9, 2016 21:49:19 yeah so I thought converting those tasks inhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items would give some exposure 21:49:29 to bug* 21:49:39 urrgh bugs* 21:50:03 and might encourage other people to work on them 21:50:21 ok thats a good call 21:50:34 and fyi, there's a global hackfest happening, so I thought it would be a great opportunity to focus on the arch guide 21:50:42 +1 21:50:47 see who we could round up 21:50:55 maybe @DevonBoatwright and I can sit together and go through some of this 21:51:08 So i'm going to the Sydney hackfest with a few other writers, and we'll focus on the arch guide 21:51:35 I would love to go through it 21:51:38 suweeet 21:51:39 plus there will be some SMEs at the hackfest which could be handy 21:51:43 yes! 21:51:51 great 21:51:57 USA - New York City (hosted by IBM): https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka-NewYorkCity 21:51:59 this might work for us 21:52:25 @njohnston @vhoward what do you guys think? 21:52:55 you mean in person or just grabbin' stuff of etherpad 21:53:08 vhoward: just what I was wondering :-) 21:53:20 in person 21:53:29 i think thats more effective 21:53:37 but thats just my opinion 21:53:59 I'll run it up the flagpole 21:54:05 in person for each timezone 21:54:07 +1 what nate said 21:54:21 +1 what nate and vic said 21:54:25 heh 21:54:28 thats a good idea though 21:54:35 lol shilla we will get with you and come up with a solid list to justify and do our best 21:54:37 and 3 weeks out 21:54:42 ok sounds great 21:55:13 cool, so shall we pull the call out to see who can get involved? 21:56:21 sure yes 21:56:33 ops ml and docs ml ? 21:56:48 sounds good 21:56:57 ok i will take that task on 21:56:59 and I'll poke a few ppl in APAC 21:57:16 sounds good 21:57:47 awesome 21:57:49 anything else on that? 21:58:04 I guess the other action item is creating bugs 21:58:31 so we'll need people to go through the entire guide 21:58:41 fyi, in each bug we'll need to mention to do in the work arch-guide-draft directory, not arch-guide 21:58:42 and find stuff 21:58:47 sure 21:58:48 thats fine 21:59:00 and reference the bug number in the work items list 21:59:03 we can work on that too 21:59:06 sure 21:59:15 cool, I can help with that as well 21:59:19 or we can use a tag 21:59:29 so that we can pull all the bugs up related to the arch guide 21:59:34 good idea 21:59:53 ok hows just arch-guide 22:00:06 oh, and mention to tag commits to the blueprint as well 22:00:18 sounds good 22:00:46 well, mention the blueprint in commit messages 22:01:30 ok 22:01:35 that sounds like a plan 22:01:48 indeed! 22:02:36 ok 22:02:38 moving alone 22:02:40 along* 22:02:52 #topic ops guide 22:03:00 Scope changes before deciding on a revision or new edition 22:03:07 so we had an email go out on the ML 22:03:45 yeah, so it appears everyone wants a new edition or revision 22:04:19 but I think we need to work out what needs changing or updating to determine whether it is a revision or new edition 22:04:58 I was thinking the ops midcycle would be a great opportunity to do that 22:05:21 and someone on the team could moderate a session 22:05:41 Alex offered, but she missed out on a ticket 22:07:04 yeah im not going to that either 22:07:11 do we have anyone else thats willing to do that 22:07:31 One of the ops? 22:07:55 We could ask on the ops ML 22:08:02 ok 22:08:18 we can just reply all to the email thread thats already going? 22:08:42 yeah 22:08:52 do we have it listed on the ops meetup etherpad 22:08:53 I did like tom 22:08:59 yeah tom is great 22:09:30 tom's suggestion of everyone posting sticky notes of everything they could think of 22:09:42 ok 22:09:42 and then collating and grouping them 22:10:25 It's kind of a good way to look at things with fresh eyes 22:10:40 yes definitely 22:12:16 anyway, I think we need to at least finish the arch guide before tackling the ops guide 22:12:30 doing two books at once is too much 22:13:02 but it doesn't hurt to start looking scoping changes to the ops guide now 22:13:09 at* 22:14:37 anyone else have any thoughts on this? 22:14:40 what action is needed for arch guide? 22:15:03 oh, hi katomo! 22:15:08 I don't know the current status 22:15:21 hi darrenc 22:15:30 Sorry not sure when you joined the meeting 22:16:29 but we were discussing converting work items in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items to bugs 22:16:47 and focussing on them during the OpenStack hackfest 22:16:57 so i feel like scoping or listing things in detail is never a bad practice, i really liked the "hear is a managable unit of work sign up for one item" 22:17:06 thanks 22:17:07 here not hear sigh 22:18:50 i have to step away 22:18:58 yes, thanks vhoward 22:18:59 ok if i do the end meeting or can someone else do it 22:19:05 Darrenc are you listed as a chair as well? 22:19:19 no, but I can still do it 22:19:24 ok cool 22:19:31 im going to step away 22:19:33 thanks for everything 22:19:39 you will see an email from Devon or I tomorrow 22:19:44 thanks ShillaSaebi 22:19:57 thanks bye! 22:20:11 bye ShillaSaebi 22:21:05 , #action create bugs for task listed in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items 22:21:18 #action create bugs for task listed in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items 22:21:30 dang that didn't work 22:21:48 :) 22:22:48 #action Ask on ops ML who can moderate an ops guide session during the ops midcycle 22:23:32 #action Ask on ops and docs ML who can participate in the OS hackfest 22:23:45 #action darrenc create bugs for task listed in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items 22:24:16 sorry, duplicate... didn't work 22:24:31 no worries 22:24:52 ok moving on 22:25:03 #topic open discussion 22:25:19 ok, I guess you need to be chair for this to work 22:25:22 I think Shilla's intention was that I would be able to fill in for her. 22:25:52 But I guess I can't yet. 22:26:13 yeah, not until njohnston patch is merged 22:26:56 ok, anything else to discuss? 22:27:33 nothing from me 22:28:44 ok, I think we're done 22:28:47 #endmeeting 22:28:51 darn 22:29:14 we can't end the meeting :P 22:29:20 thanks, all 22:29:28 thanks everyone! 22:29:29 wow 22:29:50 #endmeeting 22:30:03 ... 22:50:11 #endmeeting