14:01:21 #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team 14:01:22 Meeting started Tue Sep 5 14:01:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:22 hi 14:01:23 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01:26 The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' 14:01:41 Agenda for today's meeting is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:01:51 Please add your name to the list of attendees 14:01:54 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:02:06 #topic review last week's actions 14:02:46 I had a few : contact mexico local team for their thoughts on the event - done - i suggested a super-user article 14:02:51 I'll help with proof-reading 14:03:31 we also tidied up the planning page on the openstack.org wiki and made a dedicated agenda ether pad for tokyo - covering a couple more actions for myself and Shintaro 14:03:40 I did the Tokyo wiki and planning etherpad 14:03:47 yep 14:03:57 thanks for the help mihalis68 14:04:15 I was due to email the openstack-operators and openstack-dev lists with the Tokyo links. Not done. I wasn't subscribed to openstack-dev so just did that. I'll do that email later today 14:04:19 you're welcome! 14:04:43 I'm confirmed going to tokyo but NOT going to sydney (sending two people from my team instead). However I plan to keep trying to help out planing with forum for sydney 14:04:56 hey guys. Sorry for the idle. Was putting things on the PTG upgrade etherpad 14:05:06 I had an action to check numbers for mexico. Final ticket sales : 41 14:05:11 that's it's for my actions 14:05:27 "emccormick to make an ether pad and nag community to make list of topics before submission tool opens" 14:05:39 status? 14:06:02 "vw and mrhillsman to confer with oo.o foundation about involvement in logistics, publicity and branding/logos" 14:06:04 status? 14:06:11 those are the other two actions from last week 14:06:43 It got killed by network death. I'll be sending it today. 14:06:50 alright! 14:06:57 Can I add it to the wiki? Or should I? 14:06:59 I don't see Matt and Melvin, so ... moving on 14:07:02 like the Forum one I mean 14:07:03 sure 14:07:06 I found sydney forum wiki to propose ideas #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Sydney2017 14:07:08 the more links to our stuff the better 14:07:09 k 14:07:17 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-September/014167.html 14:07:20 yes I put that on the agenda 14:07:22 Also some background. ^^ 14:07:24 shintaro exactly where I intend to put it. 14:07:58 #topic mexico city followups 14:08:17 as mentioned, I reached out to the local team to see if they wish to write up their thoughts on how it all went, will share whatever comes of that 14:08:31 otherwise i think that event is done except I am going to share some of my photos :) 14:09:03 #topic sydney planning 14:09:18 where are the notes for different meetups? 14:09:27 as seen above, email from the foundation announcing kickoff of the process, and a landing page for ether pad links 14:09:55 you can find most of them by scrolling through our agenda, linked above 14:10:04 ty 14:10:05 is there any specific question you have? 14:10:23 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:10:30 no I just wanted to read through them and find out what I missed. 14:10:36 ripple Ehterpads from Mexico city are here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-meetup 14:10:37 ok cool 14:10:44 thanks Erik 14:11:07 ty 14:11:15 oops rlpple hehe 14:11:16 np 14:11:38 Sydney I'll send out the standard etherpad after this meeting and ask for suggestions and +1s 14:12:42 does anyone have information on how much time the forum is in Sydney? Is it a separate track? I haven't seen a definition yet 14:12:45 Other than that I don't think there's much to discuss for Sydney since we have no logistics requirements 14:13:01 It is its own track like in Boston 14:13:19 and I think it runs all 3 days (well, 2.5 anyway) 14:13:33 so after keynotes for rest of day and then two full days? 14:13:37 yep 14:13:52 that's a lot 14:13:56 unless of course there aren't enough session proposals 14:14:12 It filled that much time and then some in Boston 14:14:44 we had an actual in person ops meetups team meeting in Boston. Should "we"* do one in Sydney? 14:14:48 *I can't attend :| 14:14:53 There'll be lots of PTLs wanting feedback type of sessions so it gets a lot bigger than our meetups 14:15:12 I think that'd be good. It was very well attended in BOS 14:15:20 shame about that moderator! :) 14:15:23 I can skype you in if you like ;) 14:15:24 heh... 14:15:25 +1 for Ops team session 14:15:35 You know maybe I will take you up on that 14:15:54 You can be the disembodied head at the front of the room. You can even moderate! 14:15:59 :D 14:16:03 Max!! 14:16:06 I already realized I can at least catch the keynotes and not totally miss out. I did Vancouver through Boston, it's a shame to miss one 14:16:16 Headroom? 14:16:19 yy 14:16:30 hehe 14:16:39 I wouldn't want the moderator to depend on cross-globe telecom. Lag would be horrible 14:17:06 Ok I'll suggest ops meet up team session on the appropriate etherpad 14:17:11 *nod* 14:17:22 #action mihalis68 to add ops meet up team session at syndney forum 14:18:09 I agree that there is not too much to discuss otherwise for Sydney, since we have confidence in the event, venue, lots of attendees etc 14:18:10 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-ops-session-ideas 14:18:17 still blank, but that'll be it 14:18:27 Cool 14:18:31 I'll spam it later! 14:18:52 still no vw and mrhillsman? 14:19:12 I am very interested to hear if they have had conversations about bringing mid-cycle meetups under the wing of the foundation for logistics 14:19:31 Anyone else happen to know of such discussions? I think they were to be under the auspices of UC 14:19:37 * med_ shows up a couple months late. 14:19:45 Nothing I've heard 14:19:47 no 14:19:59 guessing Melvin is in Denver? 14:20:17 is that this week? I thought next week (you refer to PTG I think?) 14:20:17 er that's next week 14:20:26 yep 14:20:34 OpenDevConf is this week in SFO 14:20:36 Bloomberg is sending a couple of people (not me :| 14:20:51 yep, next week. 14:20:53 Ah ok. maybe this week's meeting is poor timing for those chaps 14:21:00 #topic tokyo planning 14:21:16 there is now an ether pad for agenda planning specifically for the Tokyo meet up next year 14:21:19 thanks to shintaro 14:21:23 np 14:21:28 it's linked to our top-level planning page 14:21:38 I will update if we get more info 14:21:48 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups 14:22:07 we can perhaps put sponsor names and logos on 14:22:19 make it an attractive landing page worthy of tweeting 14:22:28 (ether pads are functional but oh so drab I feel) 14:22:50 ok I'll try 14:22:57 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups/TYO-ops-meetup 14:22:58 in particular 14:23:54 I confused my own point, let me try again. There's an ether pad AND a general landing Wiki page. The latter can I think be made more attractive and more marketing-related than an etherpad 14:24:27 okay 14:24:28 yes ok I got it 14:24:32 that make sense 14:24:57 we mentioned about the logo for the opsmeetup last week too 14:25:09 I am interested specifically in the logistics for Tokyo with respect to the foundation because if we don't get official support we have the same problem as usual - how to get sponsors and how to handle their money 14:25:35 has the ops meetups team and meetups events ever had any branding or logos? 14:25:50 I don't think so 14:26:04 it's not the kind of thing that our people are commonly good at 14:26:12 they have a logo for OpenStack Days event 14:26:54 is there anyone here who might have a go? 14:26:57 hey gang - sorry I'm late 14:27:01 hey! Welcome! 14:27:05 how's your part of texas? 14:28:09 the question I was hoping you could answer is whether there's been official debate with the foundation about bringing mid-cycle meetups under the foundation's wing, logistically 14:29:00 Hmmm... still there matt? 14:29:44 I'm guessing he just signed in somewhere and is swamped with pings/requests 14:30:19 shintaro how is the sponsorship situation for Tokyo? I know it's early but then again we always end up scrambling 14:30:21 I think UC irc is on monday and this monday was a holiday in US? 14:30:31 do you know what your employer will definitely cover? 14:30:59 NTT and NTT communication will sponsor but don't know if we can cover all the cost. 14:31:20 so specifically, venue (including wifi) will be covered, right? 14:31:21 checking with the venue and event organizer 14:31:52 veinue will be covered but food, drinks need to be checked 14:31:57 other items sometimes covered by host, sometimes not include : catering (definitely lunch, sometimes breakfast), badges, signage, freebies ("schwas") 14:32:11 schwag 14:32:42 was T-shirt in Mex coverded by sponsors? or the Foundation? 14:32:46 also 1st evening social is sometimes covered or partly covered (like happy hour drinks and snacks) 14:33:00 I don't know how they managed that, but suspect foundation 14:34:23 I've added these questions to the agenda 14:34:30 We haven't got all the estimates yet. I will discuss with the venue and the event organizer later this month so I can update after that 14:34:36 can I action you shintaro to define what will be covered by NTT? 14:34:57 yes but need time get the answer 14:35:00 sure 14:35:18 #action Shintaro to get definition of what is covered by host (NTT) in Tokyo 14:35:38 separate question: has it been decided whether to theme this meet up? 14:36:02 for those new to this idea, it was suggested to add a themed track to these meetups to add relevancy to potential attendees 14:36:09 I think it's a good idea to attract local ops 14:36:16 possible themes in Tokyo are telecom and possibly ecommerce 14:36:46 current idea is Telecom and Large web service provider (e.g. Rakuten, Yahoo!Japan) 14:36:49 it's been discussed before e.g. if there was a meet up in Washington DC an "openstack for government" might be good 14:37:13 as two tracks? Or themed days? 14:37:31 mihalis68: delayed repsonse - my part of Texas is fine - except for some irrational gas hording the last few days 14:37:35 one track each day maybe 14:37:45 yeah I like that personally 14:38:11 might you have theme track and other track each day? 14:38:20 Like the theme 14:38:26 That makes sense 14:38:35 Standard track + theme track each day 14:38:50 yes that's what I was thinking 14:38:51 so day 1 telecom | other 14:38:51 day 2 large web | other 14:38:58 sounds good 14:39:06 VW glad to hear 14:39:16 That would be another question - How many rooms will we have for the meetup? 14:39:20 and what size? 14:39:23 and if anyone here is in the path of Irma, I hope you are well prepared! 14:39:36 that is on the venue choice ether pad. I will get the link 14:39:42 one large room with 100+ and few small rooms for breakouts 14:39:45 okay I have it 14:39:45 mihalis68 That could be us next week ;) 14:39:55 will look at it now 14:40:17 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2018 14:40:36 arge rooms for up to 200 people? : One room for 192 ppl max 14:40:36 additional smaller rooms for breakouts?: one for 40 ppl, one for 24ppl (could have one more large room depend on the requirement) 14:40:36 http://granpark-c.com/floor/index.html (in Japanese but you can see the pic of the rooms) 14:40:38 extra room cost extra money so I want to fix the number of rooms 14:41:05 emccormickva yes I am not underestimating risk to further up the NE coast 14:41:46 thank you for the layout 14:42:42 Another action that I mentioned for myself, but did not formalize, was to continue fixing up the OpenStack operators guide on the wiki. I'll pick that up this wee 14:43:00 #action mihalis68 to continue fixing up the openstack operations guide on the foundation wiki 14:43:23 for those not familiar it has been ejected from the main docs set and will live on the wiki to be community maintained 14:43:44 There's a rough conversion posted and initial feedback was that this could be a good enough start, can community maintain it from here on out 14:44:15 pages here: 14:44:15 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cmorgan2 14:45:01 any more discussion on Tokyo planning? 14:45:09 great work it should be opened 14:45:30 when I have something I am more comfortable with i will definitely share on the mailing list 14:45:51 +1 14:46:09 Nothing more here 14:46:09 I think we are a bit few in number this week, perhaps we should finish off and give back a little bit of time 14:46:24 +1 14:46:36 so selfishly with the next meetups being in sydney (that I can't attend) and then tokyo I feel like it's not quite enough 14:46:51 is there any interest in something less formal in NE USA before end of year 14:47:01 we didn't get an openstack days east this year 14:47:45 it seems like perhaps openstack on the east coats is now stronger down in DC/Reston than up here - true? 14:47:47 likewise, couldn't make MX and won't make Tokyo. 14:47:53 I could probably squeeze in a day or two in NYC if you guys have a conference room or something ;) 14:48:02 what would we call this? 14:48:14 Well we have Comcast and Walmart here so that's a big chunk 14:48:22 Also there's some dreamhost guys floating about 14:48:35 a small US regional event would be great 14:48:48 is there an already agreed protocol for this? 14:48:53 I'm guessing no 14:49:24 Super Secret Ops Meetup. The name will make sure everyone wants to come. 14:49:33 ha ha ha love it 14:49:33 we have our local ops meetup in December. 14:49:39 I doubt it. 14:50:24 ok well as an idea this seems to have some interest. 14:50:34 having local ones are good for people who can't travel much 14:50:37 yes 14:50:38 agreed 14:50:51 Wanna float it on the list just to gauge interest? 14:50:58 ok 14:51:08 Informal ops gathering somewhere in the NE Corridor 14:51:17 #action mihalis68 to kick off debate about local ops meet up somewhere in NE corridor before end of year 14:51:27 Maybe early December or mid January 14:51:31 reflecting that sydney and tokyo are very far away 14:51:48 true. 14:51:55 should of done Hawaii 14:52:06 Find us a host ;) 14:52:06 we can have a session to get feedback from local meetups 14:52:14 the only people who somehow persuade their bosses they need to go to hawaii and vail are the C++ iso people 14:52:43 I'll see if a day in the venue we did in august 2016 is doable 14:52:48 If someone gives me an excuse, I'd go to Hawaii in a hot minute ;) 14:53:03 but NYC is expensive even for NE USA people 14:53:33 Erik hawaii sounds great, but that doesn't meet the "not massively far from NE USA" criterion that we seemed to have a minute ago :) 14:53:45 LOL 14:53:45 yeah I know hehe 14:53:52 I think we have covered everything 14:54:04 sorry mihalis68 14:54:05 unless VW has an update about official logistical support for mid-cycles 14:54:08 hey! 14:54:12 how's your part of texas 14:54:23 i will have that convo tomorrow or on the 10th 14:54:29 ah ok. 14:54:41 any more business before we close? 14:55:09 nothing from me 14:55:14 ok then. A good chair finishes when done, giving any time back, so... 14:55:17 will catch up via logs 14:55:17 #endmeeting