14:00:53 <mihalis68> #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team 14:00:53 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Oct 24 14:00:53 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:54 <medberry2> \o 14:00:55 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:57 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' 14:01:15 <mihalis68> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:01:30 <mihalis68> hello everyone! 14:01:37 <emccormickva> \o 14:01:39 <mihalis68> #topic actions from last week 14:01:53 <mihalis68> I was supposed to submit a blog to SuperUser. DONE! 14:02:01 <emccormickva> woot! 14:02:16 <mihalis68> it's approved here, accepted by superuser and due to post 14:02:19 <mihalis68> hello shintaro! 14:02:23 <shintaro> hi 14:02:39 <mihalis68> your action was to update the Tokyo Landing Page 14:02:56 <shintaro> we have eventbrite page ready 14:02:59 <shintaro> #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ops-midcycle-tokyo-tickets-39089912982 14:03:11 <mihalis68> Ah yes, fantastic 14:03:18 <shintaro> I've added the link to the Wiki 14:03:21 <mihalis68> is that ready to go public? 14:03:33 <mihalis68> I think I saw something about it being initially limited visibility 14:03:33 <shintaro> I think so 14:03:52 <mihalis68> could I ask you to check it and then verify it's public and let the mailing list know? 14:04:04 <mihalis68> at that point we can promote it on the usual channels e.g. Twitter 14:04:04 <shintaro> ok 14:04:26 <mihalis68> #action Shintaro to check the eventbrite, get it public and let the mailing list know 14:04:28 <emccormickva> It is public 14:04:32 <emccormickva> (at least I can see it) 14:04:48 <medberry> likewise 14:04:50 <mihalis68> it's worth double-checking so we don't misfire when we first tweet it out 14:05:00 <mihalis68> it was limited to a known list I think 14:05:14 <medberry> visible in incognito window 14:05:15 <shintaro> I will check it 14:06:05 <mihalis68> ah ok 14:06:13 <mihalis68> thanks _med 14:06:23 <medberry> it wants my $20 now. :^) 14:06:33 <mihalis68> the other action was for smcginnis but I don't see him 14:06:35 <shintaro> :) 14:07:01 <mihalis68> Another older action was the operators guide conversion to the openstack wiki 14:07:11 <mihalis68> my contractor happened to be out for 2 weeks but is back and on that 14:07:12 <medberry> #info new TC formed, some members of which are operations friendly 14:07:18 <VW> o/ 14:07:21 <mihalis68> his conversion somehow emitted a mix of markdown and html, so needs work 14:07:27 <mihalis68> that's ongoing but I am tracking it 14:07:34 <mihalis68> hi vw 14:07:40 <mihalis68> _med that sounds great 14:07:43 <mihalis68> any further comments? 14:07:48 <emccormickva> one thing of note on the eventbrite. It has twitter and irc handles as required fields 14:07:49 <mihalis68> such as who they are? 14:07:55 <emccormickva> not that I mind, but not everyone uses those things. 14:08:19 <mihalis68> I imagine you could put @null and null and get away with it? 14:08:32 <emccormickva> You can put whatever you want I'm sure 14:08:46 <emccormickva> just maybe a thing to tweak if it's easy to do. 14:08:49 * medberry bites his tongue to avoid snarking 14:09:09 <mihalis68> why would you avoid snarking? 14:09:12 <shintaro> emccormickva I'll check if I can make it optional 14:09:25 <mihalis68> mihalis68 doesn't know how to make those incidental side comments 14:10:04 <mihalis68> any other updates on past actions? I am sorry I didn't trawl older minutes for previous open actions, so it's the honor system 14:10:26 <medberry> my info above was aligned with a former action (to track tc, etc) 14:10:43 <mihalis68> oh yes, very good, thanks 14:11:03 <mihalis68> if it's ok I might email you for more color on TC later on? 14:11:07 <emccormickva> shintaro One other thing. Dietary needs is required but there is no option for "none" 14:11:20 <mihalis68> can just put "calories"? 14:11:27 <emccormickva> it's check boxen 14:11:37 <medberry> #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-tc-pike-elections/ 14:11:39 <emccormickva> I would accept "beer" as an option 14:11:44 <mihalis68> ok you win 14:11:46 <medberry> mihalis68, of course 14:12:01 <mihalis68> ok moving on #topic Sydney meet up at the Summit 14:12:05 <shintaro> thanks emmcormickva 14:12:25 <mihalis68> my blog posting mentions the upstream LTS releases. It's an attempt to get people to attend if they want those to happen 14:12:36 <mihalis68> mccormick is running 14:12:41 <emccormickva> spiffy 14:12:46 <emccormickva> Yeah I need to get etherpads done this week 14:12:52 <mihalis68> every time I try to type your nick it autocorrects 14:13:29 <mihalis68> what else needs to be done for Sydney? I will ask one of my guys to attend that particular session 14:13:31 <emccormickva> I've also got the Upgrades session. Think Arkady is helping me with that. 14:14:13 <emccormickva> I spoke with Lauren last week re: festivities for Tom. 14:14:23 <mihalis68> oh yeah, please add your name to the attendees list on the above linked agenda if you are here for this meeting 14:14:30 <emccormickva> They are setting something up for Wednesday night. Haven't heard final confirmation yet though 14:14:51 <mihalis68> that reminds me... I am really quite glum to report that Tom agreed with taking his name off our organizers list 14:15:01 <mihalis68> it's official folks, we're on our own now. 14:15:02 <emccormickva> Once I have it I believe I'll be permitted to put it out on the mailing list 14:15:30 <emccormickva> *sniffle* 14:15:33 <mihalis68> I update the list on our wiki page with those who self-identify as being organizers 14:15:39 <mihalis68> matt jarvis is gone, as is Saverio 14:16:02 <mihalis68> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team 14:16:29 <med_> thanks for the housekeeping mihalis68 14:16:30 <mihalis68> I will update it when it stop malfunctioning 14:17:25 <mihalis68> done 14:17:49 <mihalis68> i felt that the list should be current because then, presumably, it's ok to email amongst ourselves regarding time-sensitive items of work 14:17:54 <emccormickva> I"m not on there *sniffle* 14:18:01 <mihalis68> shall I put you on? 14:18:09 <emccormickva> Please :) 14:18:23 <emccormickva> Oh right, speaking of wikis and your docs earlier 14:18:29 <VW> yeah - intra group emails are cool for the important stuff 14:18:38 <mihalis68> We are 6! 14:18:39 <emccormickva> Can you pop an etherpad in for it for Sydney mihalis68? 14:18:47 <mihalis68> that is better than I figured! 14:18:54 <emccormickva> My name is on that one too, but if you can provide seed content for the session that would help 14:19:06 <mihalis68> for the upstream LTS release session? 14:19:17 <emccormickva> no, the Ops Guide 14:19:26 <emccormickva> Unless it got whacked and I missed it. 14:19:56 <mihalis68> yes ok. I missed a comment that was needed context, was confused there 14:19:57 <mihalis68> will do 14:20:15 <mihalis68> #action mihalis68 to start an ether pad for the ops guide session in Sydnet 14:20:32 <emccormickva> it's there 14:20:33 <mihalis68> what else do we need to talk about for Sydney? 14:22:15 <med_> <crickets> 14:22:17 <mihalis68> #topic Tokyo 14:22:28 <mihalis68> #info the Eventbrite is up and the venue is locked in 14:22:39 <mihalis68> now is the time to start "marketing" 14:23:03 <mihalis68> I also think that we should start asking for sponsors for any remaining unfunded costs 14:23:21 <emccormickva> Should we wait until after Sydney, or maybe *at* Sydney to avoid overwhelming people? Or does it not matter? 14:23:30 <mihalis68> Shintaro I think you said that the beer place wouldn't take reservations? 14:23:34 <shintaro> Yes, the cost is almost figured out. 14:23:40 <VW> I think we should at least make mention of it at Sydney 14:24:07 <VW> "Ops meetup, Tokyo ... Stay tuned for more details..." etc 14:24:09 <emccormickva> Well, I'm just wondering if we should start full-force tweeting it out so soon 14:24:10 <mihalis68> speaking personally, tokyo is a LONG way away. I happen to know about it and I have agreement to go, but for some other people I think the more notice the better 14:24:10 <shintaro> Beer place is still discussing 14:24:32 <mihalis68> We had people unaware of mexico < 2 weeks before it happened 14:24:48 <mihalis68> We don't have to machine gun out notices about it 14:24:54 <emccormickva> k 14:24:56 <mihalis68> but a couple in prominent places seems fine to me 14:25:07 <mihalis68> mailing list, a few tweets, and then maybe something on openstack.org? 14:25:10 <shintaro> some may need visa application and may take some time for them, so earlier is better I think 14:25:19 <mihalis68> right, that's a good point 14:25:29 <med_> what's approx date for Tokyo, Feb? 14:25:46 <emccormickva> March 7th - 8th 14:26:11 <mihalis68> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup-2018 14:26:13 <med_> "eons away" 14:26:20 <emccormickva> shintaro Do you have a contact for visa invite letters? 14:26:33 <emccormickva> might want to put that on the eventbrite also 14:26:46 <shintaro> no that's what I need to ask Lauren 14:27:09 <mihalis68> is anything decided on meals during the meetup> 14:27:18 <mihalis68> In NYC Bloomberg covered both breakfast and lunch 14:27:30 <mihalis68> and in the end it seems that Mexico City hosts also did 14:27:44 <mihalis68> (I wasn't expecting anything before lunch, but was pleasantly surprised) 14:27:50 <shintaro> We will cover coffee and lunch and may ask sponsors to help for evening event 14:28:05 <mihalis68> oh very nice! 14:28:22 <mihalis68> should we try to offer a morning snack? 14:28:59 <shintaro> breakfast wasn't on my list. but I will check 14:29:11 <mihalis68> it wasn't expected in mexico due to the later start time 14:29:20 <mihalis68> it was 10am, but almost ended up 11am 14:29:28 <mihalis68> so clearly not very much time for breakfasting there 14:29:34 <mihalis68> when do we start in Tokyo? 14:29:57 <emccormickva> looks like 9 - 5 14:30:09 <shintaro> I would expect 10am first day and 9 or 9:30 second day 14:30:30 <emccormickva> start registration at 9? 14:30:51 <shintaro> yes 14:31:45 <mihalis68> #action shintaro to look into breakfast 14:32:00 <mihalis68> I suspect we could cover it, for example 14:32:35 <mihalis68> it is much easier to just get to the venue and have food taken care of than to get out, get somewhere, buy breakfast, then move on again, at least IMO 14:33:15 <shintaro> thanks I will check how much our budget can cover. 14:34:38 <mihalis68> one avenue for interest and sponsorship of costs at these things seems to be going directly to the large distro vendors. redhat, canonical, suse 14:35:13 <mihalis68> I can mention it to the first two as we pay both of them :) 14:35:29 <mihalis68> anyone able to kick off a conversation with SUSE? I have no idea if they do much over there 14:36:03 <mihalis68> #action mihalis68 to get the word out about tokyo to redhat and canonical 14:36:21 <med_> i can suse 14:36:28 <mihalis68> great, thanks! 14:36:40 <mihalis68> #action med_ to mention tokyo mid-cycle to SUSE 14:38:02 <cnf> hmm 14:38:12 <cnf> i can't figure out how to get v6 working on openstack 14:38:50 <mihalis68> Shintaro I see that the eventbrite does not mention Telecom track, is that deliberate? 14:39:18 <mihalis68> I recall talk about explicitly having a telecom track to make it more justifiable for possible attendees in that industry 14:39:27 <shintaro> The agenda is discussed on the etherpad 14:39:47 <shintaro> and the link is on the eventbrite page 14:40:04 <mihalis68> ok. My feeling is you could make it more prominent 14:40:30 <mihalis68> the eventbrite is the "front door" for this event, if you will 14:41:03 <mihalis68> I assume the foundation will slap some graphics on it? 14:41:16 <shintaro> do you mean we should have check box for which session people would attend? 14:41:18 <mihalis68> The mexico design was nice, even if (weirdly) featuring a completely unrelated building 14:41:33 <shintaro> We will get the graphics after the Summit 14:42:01 <mihalis68> No just a feature of the event 14:42:02 <shintaro> the Foundation's designer is too busy for the Summit 14:42:27 <mihalis68> like a cereal box might say "10% extra free" this even could say "Telecom track focusing on OpenStack for the Telecom industry" 14:42:32 <mihalis68> *this event 14:44:09 <emccormickva> oh hey, the SU blog got tweeted out 14:44:18 <shintaro> ok I think I got what you mean 14:44:24 <emccormickva> theLTS one 14:44:52 <mihalis68> #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-at-bloomberg/ 14:45:09 <VW> awesome 14:45:13 <shintaro> great 14:45:14 <mihalis68> yeah shintaro I am trying to keep the following idea in mind : we are *terrible* at marketing 14:45:59 <mihalis68> oh boy, I'm having a moment here seeing that post 14:47:15 <mihalis68> anything else re: Tokyo? 14:47:28 <emccormickva> nothing here 14:47:34 <mihalis68> #topic future events 14:48:07 <mihalis68> last week we were undecided on what is customary for the rotation of mid-cycles 14:48:50 <mihalis68> I read through the various wiki pages and basically it's not definitive. Erik's suggestion that every other is in NAM fits one description, but in another it wasn't definitive 14:49:26 <mihalis68> there is, additionally, the suggestion to co-located with PTG 14:50:33 <emccormickva> We need to discuss the PTG idea with whoever organizes that. 14:50:44 <emccormickva> I still fear being a nuisance 14:51:03 <mihalis68> I have a feeling Sydney would at least feature the right people in the same location 14:51:15 <emccormickva> re: the rotation, That's what aprice said they do with the summits 14:51:48 <shintaro> PTG idea was brought up by Lauren from the Foundation. PTG is run by the Foundation. 14:52:28 <mihalis68> I don't think the co-location thing is a slam-dunk 14:52:48 <emccormickva> Maybe bring it up on openstack-dev? 14:53:15 <mihalis68> that's a good idea 14:53:24 <emccormickva> I imagine there would be some strong opinions one way or the other from those folks 14:53:32 <aprice___> I can bring up the confusion with the Foundation team and have someone reach out as well if that's helpful 14:54:16 <mihalis68> I agree it needs a lot of discussion in the wider operators community 14:54:26 <mihalis68> when I reviewed the "who should attend" for PTG it was not for us 14:54:30 <mihalis68> (my team) 14:54:35 <VW> hey folks, I have to run to another meeting. Next week, can we take a few minutes to discuss specific goals out of the Ops meetup session in SYD 14:54:37 <emccormickva> Thanks aprice___ It would be good to have clarity 14:54:38 <mihalis68> so I wouldn't attend PTG days 14:54:41 <VW> so I can be ready to moderate 14:54:52 <VW> it can even be this PTG or not to PTG discussion :) 14:54:58 <mihalis68> attending afterwards, because the dev team is there... I'm not convinced 14:55:07 <aprice___> Ok 14:55:25 <mihalis68> yes VW I'll put it on the agenda 14:55:28 <mihalis68> see you next week 14:56:02 <mihalis68> perhaps mailing list to warm the community up to the issue and then see if a consensus can be reached in Sydney 14:56:15 <mihalis68> 4 minutes 14:56:21 <shintaro> that sounds good 14:56:26 <mihalis68> #topic team business 14:56:45 <mihalis68> anyone on the organizers list who doesn't want to be (or vice versa) please let me know 14:56:54 <mihalis68> and if possible can I put email address for shintaro and erik? 14:57:19 <mihalis68> and finally (from me) any comments about this meeting time and cadence? 14:57:21 <shintaro> ok 14:57:28 <mihalis68> is it working for everyone? 14:57:34 <mihalis68> weekly and this time slot? 14:57:37 <shintaro> working for me 14:57:56 <mihalis68> ok any other business? 14:58:06 <mihalis68> thanks to all that turned up this week. I know we're all busy 14:58:15 <mihalis68> I just got 80 machines this morning! :) 14:58:16 <shintaro> thank you 14:58:26 <mihalis68> 1 PB SSD 14:58:29 <mihalis68> AWWW YEAHHH 14:58:43 <shintaro> wow 14:59:13 <mihalis68> it's going to pure Ceph clusters not openstack, but they do take a lot of storage load off the compute clusters, it all helps 14:59:32 <mihalis68> last call 14:59:52 <emccormickva> time is good for me too 15:00:00 <mihalis68> #endmeeting