14:01:08 <mihalis68> #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team 14:01:10 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Jan 9 14:01:08 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:11 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01:13 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' 14:01:13 <mihalis68> hello everyone 14:01:16 <shintaro> hi 14:01:22 <med_> g'morn 14:01:26 <med_> g/eve 14:01:27 <mihalis68> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:01:59 <mihalis68> I am just getting settled at my desk, one second 14:02:18 <mihalis68> ok. Happy New Year everyone! 14:02:28 <mihalis68> There was no meeting last week, as we kind of expected 14:02:35 <mihalis68> the above link is a skeletal agenda for today 14:02:42 <shintaro> happy new year! 14:02:44 <mihalis68> #topic actions from previous meetings 14:03:13 <mihalis68> I was due to stir things up around the technical agenda for Tokyo. I haven't done that, will email the list today 14:03:34 <mihalis68> another action I had was to try to get a decision on possibly hosting the second meet up of 2018 in NYC 14:03:49 <mihalis68> well I'm now in touch with a verizon wireless events planner. They want to make something happen 14:03:58 <med_> cool 14:04:00 <mihalis68> not sure if it will be verizon hosting or jointly with us (Bloomberg) 14:04:12 <shintaro> great 14:04:52 <med_> welcome aojea 14:05:03 <mihalis68> I also have background tasks related to getting a blog posted about the technical matters in converting the ops guide from openstack doc format to makeup for the wiki as well as launching that wikified version 14:05:27 <aojea> o/, thx 14:05:36 <mihalis68> unfortunately my canonical guy is very busy with meltdown/spectre and also with some openstack fixes we need backporting 14:05:41 <mihalis68> that's it for my actions 14:06:01 <mihalis68> anyone else have actions they wish to comment on? Its an honor system right now :) 14:06:23 <mihalis68> it seems not? 14:06:24 <med_> I still owe a review of ops guide. no update 14:06:25 <shintaro> #link https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pxfp6rbxqtzsbon/AAAjWy8yvV0WRwOC4n-GZd_Xa?dl=0 14:06:33 <shintaro> the logo files are here. 14:06:34 <med_> and likely OBE at this point. 14:06:43 <mihalis68> OBE? 14:06:58 <med_> overcome by events (ie, already blogged/posted) 14:07:16 <mihalis68> I am not sure the opsguide has really been launched 14:07:18 <med_> but will still happen 14:07:21 <med_> kk 14:07:25 <shintaro> #link https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pzldafcdv91dowr/AABSGfV2sjD5h0bCnGB4hUfea?dl=0 14:07:37 <mihalis68> I unfortunately cannot access dropbox URLs at all from here 14:07:56 <med_> +1 on the new logos and ops meetup graphics 14:08:01 <med_> looks professional and clean 14:08:14 <med_> the badge/shield/diamond we selected 14:08:16 <shintaro> I like them too. Thanks to the Foundation members 14:08:28 <mihalis68> I'll have to take a look from home 14:08:38 * med_ pictures mihalis68 at NSA 14:08:59 <mihalis68> heh 14:09:17 <mihalis68> ok, with a thin turnout I will try to move things along quickly 14:09:22 <mihalis68> #topic Tokyo 14:09:35 * med_ celebrates being called thin with a little dance 14:09:49 <shintaro> The Foundation will help promote the event. 14:09:50 <mihalis68> I think we need to really get the marketing for the event going, and also get the content nailed down 14:09:55 <mihalis68> yes 14:10:20 <mihalis68> I suggest we all get the eventbrite link out again in front of people - tweeting it for example 14:11:02 <shintaro> agree 14:11:05 <mihalis68> in case anyone didn't read my update, Bloomberg is going to be covering coffee, so our social media editors can also tweet that we're "supporting" the event which they love to do 14:11:28 <mihalis68> almost everything else is covered by NTT, so hopefully NTT will promote it's own event too 14:11:37 <med_> I should hope so. 14:11:47 <mihalis68> med_ I haven't been thin for a long time :) 14:12:19 <mihalis68> I guess people should also make travel plans now. I have my eventbrite but that's it 14:12:35 <mihalis68> is there anyone here today who is traveling to that event from the US? 14:12:47 <med_> (notme) 14:12:51 <mihalis68> I wouldn't mind trying to coordinate a bit, even if just staying in the same hotel 14:12:57 <mihalis68> ok anything else for tokyo then? 14:13:41 <mihalis68> #topic meetup #2 2018 (north america) 14:13:43 <shintaro> I'm asking the foundation if they can find the travel tips info from the Tokyo Summit. 14:13:52 <mihalis68> oh yes very good idea 14:14:01 <shintaro> I will update the wiki with the info 14:14:20 <mihalis68> I find travel to japan somewhat intimidating due to my lack of language skills 14:14:38 <mihalis68> however the people there are incredible about helping travelers 14:14:55 <med_> hmmm. I guess I have found it pretty straight-forward. Lots of English and I'm never expected to DRIVE anywhere. 14:14:57 <med_> <shrug> 14:15:15 <mihalis68> witness it first hand when a staff member *ran* down the platform to inform us we were most likely on the wrong bit of the platform for the train we probably wanted 14:15:23 <med_> trickiest part is getting GPS up and running on the phone to help me properly orient 14:15:27 <mihalis68> yeah, I didn't have any problems, but I had a lot of anxiety 14:15:33 <mihalis68> crazy huh? 14:15:38 <med_> yep 14:16:13 * med_ recalls being on a track in germany when they apparently called to say the track had been changed. A friendly german saw me with this confused look and waved me over to the other track. 14:16:15 <mihalis68> so... meetup 2. It look like an offer will be made to host in NYC in August, or at least in the NE USA (not entirely sure exactly which location would be best for verizon wireless) 14:16:49 <med_> that sounds great mihalis68 14:16:50 <mihalis68> I guess I'd like initial feedback on the idea. Shintaro has said he's in favor I think 14:16:57 <med_> ditto 14:17:37 <mihalis68> ok. I guess we'll fill out the template and get it out to the community 14:17:39 <shintaro> yes. love to go back to NYC :) 14:17:49 <mihalis68> more pingpong! 14:18:03 <shintaro> that was fun 14:18:15 <mihalis68> #action mihalis68 to get the offer to host entered in the normal template and then out to the community for consideration 14:18:31 <mihalis68> #topic new logo 14:18:47 <mihalis68> I believe this is a done deal now. Has it been sufficiently shared with the community 14:18:57 <shintaro> I guess so 14:18:59 <med_> afaik it has. 14:19:00 <mihalis68> (I was a bit off the grid over Xmas and NYE) 14:19:12 <med_> seems like there was some positive feedback 14:19:15 <mihalis68> ok good. I'l gonna tweet it again just for the heck of it 14:19:18 <med_> I don't recall seeing negative. 14:19:23 <med_> sure, fine. 14:19:27 <shintaro> thank your 14:19:29 <shintaro> you 14:19:39 <mihalis68> Already looking forward to the t-shirts 14:19:51 <mihalis68> #topic opsguide 14:20:08 <mihalis68> already went over this during actions. The blog posting is written but AFAIK not with editor@superuser 14:20:29 <med_> nods 14:20:29 <mihalis68> and the conversion looks good to me but needs a second and third set of eyes before we share with entire community 14:20:37 * med_ re-ups 14:20:55 <mihalis68> I will email the link later to this team 14:21:12 <mihalis68> perhaps sean melvin matt etc can also cast an eye (I know that interrupts work...) 14:21:35 <mihalis68> #action mihalis68 to try one more push to get feedback (via email) on ops guide wiki conversion before full public launch 14:21:46 <mihalis68> #topic individual directors election 14:21:47 <med_> #topic (not that I have topic power) Other Biz: Indiv Directors vote is up. Vote Now. 14:21:51 <med_> jinx! 14:21:54 <mihalis68> I presume everyone saw this 14:22:04 <mihalis68> our very own melvin, sean are amongst the candidates 14:22:12 <med_> indeed they are. 14:22:15 <mihalis68> voting closes end of week, please cast your vote 14:22:20 <shintaro> great 14:22:24 <shintaro> I will vote 14:22:25 <mihalis68> I don't actually know the precise details of this role 14:22:31 <med_> Tim Bell is also on the list 14:22:37 <mihalis68> right 14:23:14 <med_> kind of a Board member at large. 14:23:16 <mihalis68> Ok. We have actually made it through the agenda, if rather rapidly 14:23:25 <mihalis68> #topic any other business 14:23:38 <med_> some are corporate directors others are "at large" via vote. 14:23:39 <mihalis68> I didn't fully follow where the debate about openstack release cadence got to 14:23:57 <med_> me either. 14:24:44 <mihalis68> Thierry initially suggested some changes, but I think they were not accepted 14:24:45 <shintaro> I didn't follow them either... 14:25:07 <mihalis68> I tried but there's a lot of context needed for a full understanding 14:25:56 <mihalis68> I guess we could discuss this more fruitfully were we to have Sean here, or Matt for example. They could probably give us a summary 14:26:13 <mihalis68> it's a little disappointing that the result seems to be: keep on going just the same 14:26:17 <mihalis68> would love to hear I am wrong 14:26:50 <mihalis68> one thing that comes through is there seems to be a thinning of the ranks, teams are struggling. Anything that even hints at more work is not feasible 14:27:14 <mihalis68> to me, releasing formally less often seemed like a possible help for that, but the people doing the work disagree 14:27:38 <med_> apparently TCs discussed this and no decision yet 14:27:44 * med_ just grepped his emails 14:27:51 <mihalis68> I guess that is ongoing 14:27:58 <mihalis68> I don't have anything else for this meeting 14:28:01 <mihalis68> anyone else? 14:28:12 <shintaro> none from me 14:28:54 <mihalis68> just a quick share about openstack, we had an engineering demo of our stack running on openstack with kubernetes-managed control plane and OpenStack Helm deployment recently 14:28:56 <med_> Further discussion on release cycle at PTG 14:28:58 <med_> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-January/126080.html 14:29:13 <med_> cool beans mihalis68 14:29:23 <mihalis68> we've now pushed going that way back a bit, but still, that was a vision from my guys on how to up our velocity markedly 14:29:32 <med_> xlnt 14:29:49 <med_> are you guys whole hog going after OS Helm? 14:29:55 <mihalis68> our need to get bit fancy with networking does conflict a bit 14:30:04 * med_ sees a couple of different areas of attack. 14:30:21 <med_> Helm and Kolla w/out Helm neck and neck 14:30:28 <shintaro> sounds great. have you migrated the workloads to the new envrionment? 14:30:51 <mihalis68> no it was just a demo on virtual box 14:31:05 <mihalis68> in production we will only get to mitaka any time soon 14:31:22 <mihalis68> after that a jump of a few releases as we get to make new clusters and don't have to upgrade 14:31:45 <mihalis68> that will still not be k8s/helm, so the latter is likely our third release from now 14:32:38 <mihalis68> ok, as a good meeting chair, I should close up unless there is more business 14:32:55 <mihalis68> last call for remarks or business I overlooked 14:33:13 <mihalis68> #endmeeting