14:00:33 #startmeeting ops-meetup-team 14:00:33 Meeting started Tue Sep 25 14:00:33 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:36 The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' 14:00:45 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:00:47 hello everyone 14:01:27 the above link is todays agenda. I think the only urgent thing is for us to finish off topic selection and then submission to the forum planning process for the openstack summit in Berlin this November 14:01:44 We only have a small number of session proposal so far 14:01:51 #topic forum topics 14:02:08 hi 14:02:23 Hi Shintaro 14:02:30 I was just asking people to look at the Forum topics etherpad. 14:02:32 hi mihalis68 14:02:42 These need to be agreed today as topic submission needs to be done by tomorrow 14:03:18 My single suggestion is discuss future "ops mid-cycle" events (in quotes because they are no longer technically mid-release-cycle) 14:03:22 the events between summits 14:03:27 independent of any other event 14:03:29 I 14:03:36 I'm going to submit that this afternoon 14:04:05 there are three other submissions : ops docs, deployment tools, actions from UC. Who will submit those? (they are all +1ed) 14:04:32 ah, wait, the UC actions are part of deployment tools 14:04:32 +1 to Meetups really needs to be mostly decided by end of summit if there's going to be one 14:05:03 yep. I'll submit and plan to moderate. I also put in request for Bloomberg to host it for #1. We might be able to do something in Europe 14:05:31 which is in line with wishes expressed to me in Denver and the general goal of geographical alternation 14:05:57 #action mihalis68 to submit the "ops meetups" forum topic to forum planning. TODAY! 14:06:08 ping spotz 14:06:11 ping mrhillsman 14:06:16 ping emccorkmic 14:06:18 ping emccorkmick 14:06:28 ping smcginnis (although I don't think he can make it) 14:06:31 ping vw 14:06:52 does someone want to own deployment tools? 14:07:12 I can submit ops docs as I'm involved and also because smcginnis reached out to say he probably couldn't make it today 14:08:39 hearing the crickets I can submit & moderate "deployment tools" 14:08:51 ok thanks jproulx, much appreciated 14:09:03 I'd definitely interested in the answers to it. 14:09:05 I was just about to ask if everyone's even going to Berlin. 14:09:10 I'm definitely going now 14:09:28 there are other things we've talked about in previous summits 14:09:40 #action jproulx to submit the "deployment tools" forum topic to forum planning. TODAY! 14:09:44 e.g. long-term maintenance branches (aka long-term support releases) 14:12:13 shintaro are you coming to Berlin? 14:12:23 I still need to get approval but I will be there too. I can help prepare/moderate deployment tools contents. 14:12:57 are there other things you would like to submit to the Forum? This is supposed to be where the devs and the users/operators exchange feedback 14:13:52 We're really low on attendance to this meeting today. I wonder if I might do better trying to wake things up on the mailing list 14:14:00 I don't have any more than currently proposed. 14:14:13 driving, need a moment 14:14:49 Ok mrhillsman please don't let us distract you 14:14:55 shintaro I'm putting together submission proposal for deployment tools and would be happy to add you if you want me to do so 14:15:25 thanks jproulx I'm happy to help 14:15:27 Hey guys. Sorry for the tardiness 14:15:35 we have a grand total of 3 topics 14:15:36 will do shintaro thanks 14:16:03 deployment tools (jproulx, shintaro), ops docs (sean and/or me), between-summit-meetups (me) 14:16:17 Didn't Edgar put his thing in yet? 14:16:26 things not submitted : ha, ceph, long-term maintenance, ffwd upgrades 14:16:29 I don't see it 14:16:37 Huh 14:16:39 I said we'd review and +1 it 14:16:42 OK I'll talk to him 14:16:45 Ceph meetup is Monday (pre-summit) 14:17:26 Yeah, Ceph Day should cover Ceph things. FFU and LTS are pretty much in process at this point 14:17:48 I'm sure there will be sessions from project teams on it if needed, but they seem to have lots of ongoing work at this point 14:17:55 I think HA will be proposed from Self-healing SIG? I'll ask SamP if they are planning to do so. 14:18:47 I can't find edgar's email about this now 14:18:53 it wasn't an email 14:19:02 it was a Twitter thread 14:19:38 He tweeted about wanting to discuss concurrency at the forum and I directed him to drop it on our etherpad 14:19:48 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JL2mqmJE/ 14:19:55 he said he'd do it "tomorrow" which was yesterday I think 14:20:06 yeah, please chase him 14:20:30 I don't think I want to be so presumptuous as to take someone elses tweet and make it into a forum submission on their behalf 14:20:57 should we have an ops meetups team session? 14:21:02 we have tended to in the past 14:21:31 or is the between-summits-meetup session enough? 14:21:40 emailed him 14:22:11 No me either. I want him to provide details and moderate it :) 14:22:19 I'm going to ceph day, but it's not the same thing as forum 14:22:50 I think the ops meetup team catchup can be done as part of the midcycle discussion 14:22:52 honestly, I think the openstack community just has too many "structures" for the current amount of manpower. PTG, Forum, Summit, UC, TC, Ops 14:23:11 no need to take up a separate slot for it. I know forum slots are going to be tighter this time around 14:23:12 between-summits-meetup session would be enough to get attention IMHO 14:23:18 3 days only and 2 days of keynotes 14:23:18 yeah ok 14:23:41 is the combined now officially 6 days? 14:23:50 If you want a Ceph + Openstack session then put it on the etherpad :). I'm always happy to chat about it. 14:23:56 ceph, summitx3, ptgx2 14:24:02 No PTG this time 14:24:07 Not til Denver 14:24:24 Sunday / Monday Upstream Institute 14:24:25 Oh... thanks you're helping me. I was thinking Berlin was the 6-day monster 14:24:28 Monday Ceph Day 14:24:40 I'm always happy to chat about ceph with operators too 14:24:41 Tuesday - Thursday Summit (keynotes Tuesday + Wednesday) 14:24:45 I'm here now mihalis68_:) 14:24:52 but in Tokyo I talked and talked and talked 14:24:54 no interaction 14:25:03 then a very polite "well we use Swift" 14:25:14 hi spotz 14:25:17 mreidm had some forum topic ideas yesterday let me look in the scroll 14:25:30 ops forum topics are very few in number this time 14:25:40 When we've done Ceph forum sessions in the past, we've ended up with Sage and others showing up 14:25:42 docs, deployment tools, between-summit-meetups 14:26:15 yeah. Maybe we should just be bold "Ceph is great and you should use it with your openstack" 14:26:21 I'd "moderate" the heck out of that 14:26:22 main ceph question is would there be a sufficiently different set of people from ceph day attendees? 14:26:23 it was kind of a nice chance for Openstack operators to quiz the Ceph devs. No Guarantee they'll show though. It just happened 14:26:28 From scroll: tobberydberg: will you or someone else be submitting forum sessions for public cloud wg stuff like os-purge and oschown? i assume placement extraction from nova might also be of interest to people 14:26:50 Tobias did reply this morning they were going to submit some topics but not sure what 14:27:39 * jproulx hasn't heard of "oschown" but likes the sound of it (googles) 14:27:45 jproulx Last time I went to Ceph day it was much more presentation oriented. I'm not sure if it matters that there are different people. 14:28:18 does anyone else like the idea of an ops submitted ceph talk for forum? I will happily moderate it and erik says he'd be happy to participate 14:28:22 I've not been before so if it's a different format that as good or better than different people 14:28:36 I'd likely attend 14:28:40 oschown is a "quick prototype" just to test if the concept of "database hacky transfer" works in practice 14:28:46 The boston one was a stage and slide show fest 14:28:57 interesting stuff, but only interaction was Q % A 14:29:09 And yes, 2 forum sessions submitted, one for each topic 14:29:30 yeah, to be honest that's what I get out of ceph days - hearing presentations, very little "working group" style content 14:29:30 tobberydberg: Ahh cool:) 14:29:42 sounds like a ceph in operation would be a good session then 14:29:54 ok. I'll put it on the etherpad right now 14:30:09 tobberydberg Do you Think it would be useful to have a brain dump from the OS Nordic sessions as part of the Forum? 14:30:09 * tobberydberg can provide you with link to code if of interest 14:30:25 From your tweet it sounds like you're planning ops-ish sessions there. 14:30:26 let's wait and see if it gets any +1s 14:31:13 Yes I do, but the reason for not submitting that is mostly that I have no clue if someone will one the mouth and actually say something =) 14:32:06 If it turns out good, I'll see if I can sneak something in, or otherwise I assume I have material for a session in Denver ... worst case 14:32:55 Either way, will share findings from session to community... 14:33:50 OK, I'm going to into distraction mode. I've just been added to a daily call at 10:30 because everyone hates me. Will try to keep an eye over here 14:33:52 very cool 14:34:12 (was responding to tobberydberg) 14:34:40 Ok, well by end of today all the topics need to be submitted as I understand the rules 14:34:46 it says "by sept 26th" 14:35:03 so later today I will try to check and make sure everything that got +1ed on our etherpad did get submitted 14:35:15 #mihalis68 to verify all approved topics actually get submitted 14:35:43 I did add a ceph topic to it by the way. +1 if you support it 14:36:16 How many sessions make it into the forum is dependednt on space and number of submittals FYI 14:36:41 yeah, emccormick mentioned it's tighter this time 14:37:06 finally settled, apologies 14:37:10 more traffic than normal 14:37:10 no worries 14:37:18 OK Edgar responded that he will get it in this morning when he gets to the office 14:37:23 all we have done is discuss Forum topics and submission 14:37:29 ok cool 14:37:38 i'll read back through the log after meeting 14:37:58 there are a few on the pad and each one has someone who will submit it (moderators can change nearer the date if necessary) 14:38:15 did you have any ideas you wanted to bring up, mrhillsman? 14:38:43 not at the moment, i have been doing some outreach 14:39:15 Ok, we seem to be done with forum topics 14:39:17 I jumped ahead 14:39:20 #topic actions 14:39:26 i think one thing from the tc meeting at the ptg that makes sense is to try and come up with catchy titles 14:39:41 I just tried with my ceph topic idea (see the etherpad) 14:40:11 Most of the work that was identified two weeks ago in Denver had an obvious owner 14:40:22 and work is progressing and being checked off on the etherpad I made to collect that 14:40:39 the one thing that needed more debate was all the "we should" items from the containerisation session 14:41:07 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-denver-2018-further-work see this page to see what I mean 14:41:57 I don't have any other actions to report on 14:42:19 one I was hoping to check on was VW was due to contact someone from CERN about gauging their interest in a possible meetup in Feb/march 2019 14:43:05 I guess I can follow up with Matt in person on this 14:43:19 #action mihalis68 chase vw about cern outreach 14:43:46 I think that could be pivotal in making it happen and being hugely successful, especially if we can land a venue soon-ish (I am working on that) 14:43:52 any other actions? 14:44:06 i can follow up with VW_ 14:44:15 will probably see him at some point in the uc channel 14:44:17 ah ok, cool 14:44:30 he has been a bit tied up with the new job of course 14:44:50 understandable 14:44:51 i'll cc you 14:44:57 great, thanks, much appreciated 14:45:21 alright. It seems that with a small attendance and various people distracted, this meeting is running out of steam 14:45:25 #topic any other business 14:46:10 nothing from me 14:46:17 I'm good 14:46:24 quick poll: who'll be in berlin? 14:46:27 o/ 14:46:38 o/ 14:46:40 o/ 14:46:43 o/ 14:46:54 volunteer to seek out a venue for ops social? 14:47:12 maybe with a non-alcoholic entertainment option (games has worked wel) 14:47:17 I think the first question is where everyone is staying 14:47:24 I recall jill rouleau asking for that to be considered 14:47:32 I'm not booked yet 14:48:03 maybe everyone work out where they'll stay for next week and then we can look into social options? 14:48:04 hotels are all over the place so narrowing things down might help? Or atleast someplace off the U or S lines 14:48:22 I've never been to germany so no idea at all 14:48:28 I haven't booked either 14:48:40 I only got explicit clearance this morning 14:48:47 I've never been to Berlin. I've been to Germany. I'm still not booked:) 14:49:11 ok. Not an action per se, but if we all look into where we're staying, we'll have a better chance of coordinating a night out 14:49:13 Trying to keep price down and not be too far from everyone 14:49:19 +1 14:49:32 And also when everyone is coming in 14:49:39 My team isn't interested apart from me. Lots of young kids and/or visa concerns 14:50:01 well, maybe they might be interested, but just can't go 14:50:35 ok think we're done 14:50:36 At least from NYC you have flight options, wasn't much from Austiin/San Antonio 14:50:52 true 14:50:57 ok thanks everyone 14:51:04 thanks 14:51:06 #endmeeting