14:04:19 <mihalis68_> #startmeeting ops-meetup-team 14:04:20 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Oct 16 14:04:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:04:21 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:04:23 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' 14:04:49 <mihalis68_> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:04:55 <mihalis68_> I haven't started today's meeting there yet 14:05:04 <mihalis68_> #topic actions 14:05:19 <mihalis68_> anyone have specific actions to report on 14:05:20 <mihalis68_> ? 14:05:52 <mihalis68_> I had an action many weeks ago now to get the ops related forum topics submitted 14:05:58 <smcginnis> Not that I remember. 14:06:11 <mihalis68_> well it seems I misunderstood the tool as I typed them up but didn't finish submitting 14:06:26 <mihalis68_> thankfully they were "rescued" and will proceed 14:06:32 <mihalis68_> ops docs - smcginnis 14:06:41 <spotz> mihalis68_: They were 14:06:43 <mihalis68_> ops meetups team catch-up - emccormick 14:06:55 <mihalis68_> ceph session - mihalis68_ 14:06:56 <spotz> I do think there were some questions about the ceph one 14:07:02 <smcginnis> mihalis68_: Oh right. 14:07:03 <mihalis68_> jimmy emailed me 14:07:18 <spotz> :) 14:07:38 <smcginnis> I've started an ops doc Forum etherpad - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-Ops-Community-Docs 14:07:42 <mihalis68_> next step would be to make etherpads for those 14:07:47 <mihalis68_> beat me to it! 14:07:55 <mihalis68_> yeah, I will start the ceph one 14:08:11 <mihalis68_> #action mihalis68 to start an etherpad for the ceph working session at berlin forum 14:08:27 <mihalis68_> #action emccormick to do one for the ops meetups team catch-up 14:08:36 <mihalis68_> no other actions? 14:08:44 <emccormick> will do 14:08:47 <smcginnis> Looks like it's not updated yet, but once it is we should add these etherpads to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Berlin2018 14:09:06 <smcginnis> Or I suppose I could update that since Thierry is traveling right now. 14:09:09 <mihalis68_> agreed 14:09:28 <mihalis68_> ooh... irccloud finally loaded. Mystery internet proxy slowness I guess 14:09:59 <mihalis68_> #action smcginnis to update the master etherpad list with links to the operators-related ones 14:10:01 <spotz> I had really bad issues yesterday, 45 minutes to download fedora-atomic as part of a devstack install 14:10:13 <mihalis68_> #topic Berlin forum 14:10:22 <emccormick> I think for the ops meetup team catchup I might add a snippet for the SIG discussion going on on the mailing list right now 14:10:39 <mihalis68_> Other than sessions that we are attending, there is the pressing issue of the operators social on the Tuesday 14:10:51 <emccormick> I feel like some people just got a wild hair all of a sudden and are launching off on something with no idea what's already been done 14:11:17 <mihalis68_> I haven't followed this thread, will go and catch up after this meeting 14:11:27 <smcginnis> emccormick: That would be a good topic. 14:11:35 <mihalis68_> can you maybe give a flavor of that? Is it a problem> 14:11:42 <emccormick> re: Social, I am going to investigate a place near my hotel on Saturday. It has all the requisite things, but there's not a lot of internet review goodness. 14:11:55 <emccormick> mainly 2 guys that had a bad night not getting drinks very quickly 14:12:11 <mihalis68_> ermagerd! 14:12:24 <smcginnis> :) 14:12:26 <spotz> emccormick: We have a Nitghtwatch tour we found, not sure if you want that for the ops meetup though 14:12:53 <spotz> But we do plan on going on it one night:) 14:12:57 <mihalis68_> nightwatch tour.. related to the movie by Timur Bekmambetov? 14:13:06 <mihalis68_> (might be spelled wrong) 14:13:18 <emccormick> was ist das? 14:13:56 <emccormick> ghost tour? 14:14:03 <mihalis68_> Oh, looks like Nightwatchman tour 14:14:09 <mihalis68_> not related to the movie 14:14:11 <shintaro> hi sorry I'm late 14:14:20 <mihalis68_> no worries, thanks for joinin 14:14:22 <mihalis68_> g 14:14:49 <spotz> Nightwatch Tours are the German ghost tours:) 14:15:01 <mihalis68_> we were just talking about the sessions that operators are doing in berlin 14:15:13 <spotz> http://baerentouren.de/nachtwache_en.html 14:15:16 <smcginnis> spotz: You've done ghost tours for the last several Summits now, haven't you? 14:15:17 <mihalis68_> smcginnis, emccormick, myself and emagana all have one 14:15:32 <spotz> smcginnis: Yep:) 14:15:48 <mihalis68_> and please note for next time, the tool requires you to submit and then some additional final step to finalize. I missed the last bit and there was no reminder 14:16:07 <mihalis68_> and the most important session - tuesday night operators social 14:16:28 <mihalis68_> no venue yet but I think that night is now kind of locked in (already mentioned on the mailing list) 14:16:51 <shintaro> there is one for deployment tool session 14:17:13 <shintaro> which I will help moderate 14:17:18 <mihalis68_> right. I don't have the complete list, but the first three I submitted, and erik did edgar's 14:17:28 <mihalis68_> so it was related to past actions 14:17:39 <mihalis68_> is there anything else we need to work on for berlin? 14:18:52 <emccormick> nothing else berliny for me 14:18:53 <spotz> Maybe add to an etherpad a spot for who's coming? 14:19:05 <mihalis68_> someone asked where I'm staying. emccormick and I are both at "Adagio Berlin Kurfurstendamm" Lietzenburger Strasse 89a Berlin, 10719 DE 30-818-2580 14:19:10 <emccormick> spotz did you have specific plans for that tour? 14:20:06 <spotz> emccormick: Not yet, it'll be open to OUI, WoO, D&I, OSA, and of course anyone else who wants to come but those are my usual places to get people:) 14:20:49 <emccormick> You thinking of doing Tuesday night? 14:21:16 <spotz> No clue on night, unless we wanted to do it for the ops meetup 14:21:25 <emccormick> I'm not opposed to rolling that in as the alternate activity and then adjourning to a beer garden or something after 14:21:47 <emccormick> will ponder on it 14:22:05 <spotz> Only issue with Tuedsay night is that'll be the mixer, so need to figure tour time into the equation 14:22:12 <emccormick> mihalis68_ You can move on to the next agenda item :) 14:22:13 <mihalis68_> at the risk of being a grouch, I like the social to be a low-bar-to-entry casual thing 14:22:22 <mihalis68_> like just "turn up say hi" thin 14:22:25 <mihalis68_> thing 14:22:27 <smcginnis> ++ 14:22:30 <emccormick> *nod* 14:22:50 <shintaro> agree 14:22:58 <mihalis68_> structured events with attendee lists etc are super hard to make work for a diffuse bunch at such a conference 14:23:04 <spotz> Just make sure I still have my CC when I leave:( Didn't notice until the airport in Denver:( 14:23:10 <mihalis68_> there are operators out there none of us have met 14:23:23 <spotz> Well folks have to commit and pay for the tour 14:23:27 <smcginnis> spotz: CC? 14:23:33 <spotz> smcginnis: credit card 14:23:33 <mihalis68_> credit card 14:23:37 <smcginnis> Ah 14:23:50 <smcginnis> Knew it couldn't be conceal & carry. :D 14:24:02 <spotz> I do live in Texas:) 14:24:03 <smcginnis> I mean, you are from Texas and all, but... 14:24:07 <smcginnis> Hah@ 14:24:33 <mihalis68_> I live in NYC, I'm packing nothing but my wit and extreme good looks 14:24:53 <mihalis68_> <crickets> 14:24:54 <spotz> But yeah for the tour I try not to get stuck paying for everyone:) 14:24:56 <mihalis68_> not even a HAH! 14:24:57 <smcginnis> :) 14:25:01 <spotz> hehe 14:25:23 <mihalis68_> I vote for the operators social and the ghost tour being kept separate, personally 14:25:33 <smcginnis> That works for me. 14:25:56 <emccormick> HAHA 14:26:03 <emccormick> (nelson voice) 14:26:25 <emccormick> one thing IRC lacks. No GIF comments 14:26:39 <emccormick> fair enough. Separate it is 14:26:51 <mihalis68_> there's interesting debate about "to irc or not to irc" on the mailing list 14:26:52 <smcginnis> 🤣 14:27:09 <mihalis68_> 😮 14:27:13 <emccormick> There's a place called Billiards International that seems very much of a type we went to in Tokyo (Bagus) 14:27:35 <mihalis68_> it's ok, we know you're a lethal pool shark now 14:27:41 <mihalis68_> you can't fool us twice 14:27:43 <emccormick> and a few other options. We shall see. Since we are unfunded, picking a location last minute isn't too complicated ;) 14:27:51 <emccormick> hah 14:28:19 <mihalis68_> this is true, but I feel like a well publicized event fairly central could do that thing we claim to do which is pull in new members of the wider operators community 14:28:42 <emccormick> yes yes. I'm not trying to make it difficult :) 14:29:14 <mihalis68_> if I might make a suggestion, you could take a couple of ideas to the mailing list and try and bring this debate to a wider group 14:29:26 <smcginnis> I'm fine if we just declare that place with the slow drinks. Having a time and place set that people can just stop by if they can would be ideal. 14:29:27 <emccormick> Just trying to get enough info not to commit to a complete dump because I didn't do my research 14:29:40 <mihalis68_> I like billiards, or indeed ping-pong as the other thing to do besides just eating and drinking 14:29:56 <mihalis68_> unless there's a special berlin thing 14:30:06 <emccormick> It has several things besides pool as well 14:30:10 <mihalis68_> for example brooklyn now has two places which feature axe-throwing 14:30:28 <emccormick> :O 14:30:33 <shintaro> axe-throwing!? 14:30:41 <smcginnis> 🎱 14:30:45 <mihalis68_> #link https://www.kickaxe.com 14:30:49 <smcginnis> That could be fun. And dangerous. 14:30:56 <mihalis68_> Oh I think it's well controlled 14:30:56 <smcginnis> I think I actually saw that on a show. 14:31:09 <emccormick> psh. If we were in New York I'd take everyone to McSorley's followed by Hogs and Heffers 14:31:10 <mihalis68_> think we have said enough on berlin 14:31:28 <mihalis68_> mcsorleys is fun once 14:31:30 <mihalis68_> I never went back 14:31:39 <mihalis68_> never tried the other place 14:31:40 <emccormick> precisely 14:31:54 <emccormick> Hogs and Heffers is the inspiration for Coyote Ugly 14:31:56 <shintaro> axe thing looks fun :) 14:32:06 <emccormick> They serve Wild Turkey and PBR. That's it 14:32:09 <mihalis68_> I think the NYC ones closed anyway 14:32:36 <emccormick> ok, much digression. Apologies. Onward! 14:32:44 <mihalis68_> NYC is becoming homogenized 14:32:59 <mihalis68_> #topic 2019 inter-summit meetups 14:33:21 <mihalis68_> As far as I know my proposal to host in berlin is still on the list 14:33:31 <mihalis68_> bloomberg is doing a LOT more sponsoring than even two years ago 14:33:39 <mihalis68_> which is great, but I have to try harder to win the case 14:33:41 <smcginnis> Yay Bloomberg! 14:33:49 <mihalis68_> and for example we sent a small army to grace hopper 14:34:18 <smcginnis> Great to see them doing all this. I hope we can make it worth their while. 14:34:24 <mihalis68_> but I have private feedback that our little operation is viewed favorably - work focused non vendor open source related 14:35:02 <mihalis68_> I was hoping to have a bit more progress to report either today or at least in berlin but can't expect that, unfortunately 14:35:26 <mihalis68_> it does help that we're still growing our openstack stuffs, obviously 14:36:10 <mihalis68_> the one difficulty is that cern's idea of when was may, which is uncomfortably close to denver 14:36:25 <mihalis68_> *to the denver summit, I mean 14:37:08 <mihalis68_> I guess it's the same crew today as discussed this last week, so not much more to say 14:37:12 <smcginnis> Based on that and feedback to this point, I think I would feel better sticking with the Bloomberg earlier event, then seeing if we can line up a CERN event later. 14:37:14 <emccormick> I got the impression that wasn't anything required. Juts a thought 14:37:21 <mihalis68_> if we can make a proposal, we'll just have to submit and see if the community likes it 14:37:42 <emccormick> Do we want to just do a proper CFP? 14:37:56 <mihalis68_> that's a good point 14:38:09 <emccormick> Companies that would like to host in the EU in the February / March timeframe 14:38:20 <emccormick> go fill out the template 14:38:31 <smcginnis> If we're going to do that, should we also try to get proposals for an Aug/Sept event going with it? 14:38:48 <smcginnis> Overall 2019 event planning? 14:39:06 <shintaro> good idea. 14:39:07 <emccormick> I have no issue opening up both. 14:39:12 <mihalis68_> We could definitely share the goals of meetup #2 2019, which is that timeslot, in NA 14:39:15 <emccormick> People can have more time to think about it 14:39:36 <mihalis68_> personally I find it hard to imagine actually making a proposal for next august any time soon 14:39:54 <emccormick> I agree, but it doesn't hurt to open it up 14:40:22 <emccormick> get people thinking about it. We just won't do any selection process until around the Denver summit 14:40:23 <smcginnis> Could help to get people thinking about it. Then if someone really is motivated, it would be great if we could already have the late summer event location locked down so we can focus on theme and topics. 14:40:24 <mihalis68_> since I have hopes towards making an offer, I think I'd prefer if someone else did the CFP 14:40:40 <spotz> Oh VW did update the UC yesterday on CERN, hold on let me check logs 14:41:14 <spotz> VW_ 14:41:15 <spotz> CERN had originally thought May, but aren't locked in completely to anything, so I will get everyone talking 14:41:17 <emccormick> I can write up the CFP. Now where's that Etherpad template? 14:41:49 <mihalis68_> it's linked to or on the overall top level ops meetups team wiki page on openstack.org 14:42:26 <mihalis68_> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups 14:42:34 <smcginnis> Wow, some really out of date info on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team 14:42:41 <mihalis68_> yes I noticed that this week 14:42:49 <mihalis68_> I mean to go and do some spring-cleaning 14:43:58 <mihalis68_> well, anyway, importantly #action emcormick to kick start a CFP for 2019 inter-summit meetups 14:44:13 <mihalis68_> (I'm trying not to say mid-cycle as they technically aren't any more) 14:44:19 <emccormick> yeah it's bad 14:44:28 <smcginnis> mid-summits 14:46:06 <mihalis68_> I feel like a new name is required, something completely different 14:46:36 <mihalis68_> anyway, if we get 1 or 2 proposals before end of year, that will be fantastic 14:46:48 <shintaro> Just say OpsMeetup since there won't be one during summits anymore. 14:46:52 <mihalis68_> I'm determined to get more of the work done sooner next time 14:46:53 <emccormick> ok, there's a billion things in here on our selection process (also needing updates) 14:46:58 <smcginnis> shintaro: ++ 14:46:59 <emccormick> and still not finding that template 14:47:08 <mihalis68_> emccormick do you have wiki edit privilege 14:47:13 <emccormick> yes 14:47:17 <mihalis68_> ok good 14:47:45 <shintaro> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2018 14:47:52 <mihalis68_> shintaro yes I was kinda thinking that our brand is now just "Ops Meetup" as you say 14:48:18 <shintaro> we have the logo for that already :) 14:48:20 <mihalis68_> no need for a qualifier like mid-cycle, inter-summit or whatever 14:48:24 <mihalis68_> yeah right 14:49:04 <mihalis68_> emccormick do you want to freshen the wiki page? 14:50:03 <mihalis68_> *glances at the clock* oh my 14:50:12 <mihalis68_> #topic any other business 14:50:29 <emccormick> I will try to hack at it periodically 14:50:47 <emccormick> some low-hanging fruit in there like the months we have the meetups ;) 14:50:55 <mihalis68_> oh no you've triggered my memory of a hilarious video on youtube 14:51:01 <emccormick> used to be April / May 14:51:42 <mihalis68_> #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw - funny if you get Eddie Izzard's humor 14:51:52 <mihalis68_> "I shall hack at your neck with a tray" 14:51:59 <emccormick> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2018 14:52:08 <emccormick> well there's a filled out version at least 14:52:10 <mihalis68_> yeah shintaro dug that out a minute ago 14:52:24 <emccormick> oops missed it ;) 14:52:51 <mihalis68_> I will use the CFP as ammo to say "please get moving on this proposal" 14:53:06 <emccormick> super 14:53:08 <mihalis68_> which is another reason why I don't want to write it 14:53:53 <mihalis68_> that youtube link is SFW except for perhaps an f-bomb here and there 14:54:04 <emccormick> OK, I'll make a blank of that and ask that they ... 14:54:13 <emccormick> a) put it in their own etherpad and send a link 14:54:24 <emccormick> b) add it to one etherpad that's central 14:54:38 <emccormick> which is better? I think in the past we've done b) 14:54:48 <mihalis68_> let's just make sure everyone present agrees that we will a) aim for independent ops meetups again b) feb/march and then aug/sep c) europe then NA ? 14:55:02 <emccormick> +1 14:55:19 <shintaro> +1 for all 14:55:29 <mihalis68_> the "merger" idea has been rendered moot by PTG moving back to summit-time 14:55:40 <mihalis68_> smcginnis? spotz? 14:55:50 <smcginnis> +1 14:55:59 <spotz> Sounds good t me +1 14:56:20 <mihalis68_> I think I'll announce this to the mailing list as a precursor to the CFP 14:56:21 <emccormick> preference on one big etherpad with all submissions vs. one etherpad for each with a consolidator? 14:56:38 <mihalis68_> I thought the one big was ok. Separate is maybe cleaner though 14:56:52 <mihalis68_> "dear operators, we're getting the band back together!" 14:56:56 <smcginnis> :) 14:57:16 <emccormick> <insert requisite Blues Brothers meme> 14:57:27 <mihalis68_> emccormick arrange as you see fit I think 14:57:37 <emccormick> ok 14:57:54 <mihalis68_> as long as the submissions are on etherpads or wikis so that community can see them without so much as a google login 14:58:23 <mihalis68_> (again trying to not "self-deal" by running the submission process and submitting to it at the same time) 14:58:35 <mihalis68_> we're out of time 14:58:38 <mihalis68_> last call 14:59:14 <mihalis68_> is everyone booked, btw? 14:59:26 <emccormick> 100%. Finally 14:59:26 <mihalis68_> my last word is flights were hard to get even last week 14:59:30 <mihalis68_> yay 14:59:37 <mihalis68_> ok then thanks to all 14:59:39 <shintaro> yes! 14:59:50 <mihalis68_> #endmeeting