15:04:00 <mihalis68_> #startmeeting ops-meetup-team 15:04:01 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Dec 11 15:04:00 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:04:02 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:04:03 <mihalis68_> hello 15:04:05 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' 15:04:07 <mihalis68_> who's around? 15:04:24 <smcginnis> Rounder by the year. 15:04:47 <mihalis68_> ha ha 15:04:58 <mihalis68_> I didn't prepare the agenda beforehand, just throwing something together now 15:05:04 <emccormick> o/ 15:05:22 <mrhillsman> o/ 15:05:23 <emccormick> sorry, was idling in the wrong channel ;) 15:05:41 <mihalis68_> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 15:05:44 <mihalis68_> #topic actions 15:06:01 <simon-AS559> o/ 15:06:09 <smcginnis> Great turnout today. 15:06:25 <emccormick> Hey Simon! 15:06:54 <mihalis68_> I was supposed to email Frank Kloeker about the status of their offer, but I dont think I did. It turns out they are the only hosts offereing, so we mainly have to agree which dates work best and then get the community to agree it 15:06:58 <mihalis68_> hi Simon! 15:07:24 <smcginnis> Dates were end of Feb or second week of March? 15:08:06 <smcginnis> Oh, nope, I'm way off. :) 15:08:13 <mihalis68_> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2019-berlin 15:08:13 <emccormick> Think it was last week of feb and first week of march 15:08:15 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2019-berlin 15:08:55 <smcginnis> I see it looks like that etherpad was updated to state two rooms have actually been reserved. 15:09:00 <emccormick> huh. That changed 15:09:13 <smcginnis> Yeah, looks like the second date line changed too. 15:09:24 <mihalis68_> i wonder if they adjusted the dates a bit. Now it's 6th and 7th or 7th and 8th of March 15:09:32 <smcginnis> So the week of March 6th. 15:09:35 <mihalis68_> yeah 15:10:07 <mihalis68_> I was also due to follow-up on Bloomberg hosting the second 2019 meeting. I'm still in discussion about, but no update to share 15:10:13 <mihalis68_> any other actions to report on? 15:10:23 <emccormick> So Wednesday - Thursday or Thursday - Friday 15:10:55 <mihalis68_> I think I would prefer the latter since I could make use of my travel time by having the saturday in berlin. I have a friend there 15:11:49 <smcginnis> Would be nice to have a couple days in Berlin. 15:12:24 <emccormick> oddly I think that actually improves the flight availability a bit for me. 15:12:32 <mihalis68_> so we do favor the Thur/Fri pair? 15:12:32 <emccormick> Doing it Thursday / Friday. 15:12:47 <smcginnis> Either works for me. 15:12:55 <mihalis68_> any other comments? 15:13:04 <emccormick> Also less missed work by travelling home on the weekend. Make bosses happy 15:13:10 <smcginnis> Might be nice to have it mid week if folks don't want to use the weekend for travel days, but either way. 15:13:15 <mihalis68_> we're only a small band but we can still say the early consensus is thur/fridy 15:13:19 <smcginnis> That's a good point emccormick 15:13:23 <simon-AS559> Fine with me! 15:13:26 <mrhillsman> ++ 15:13:54 <spotz> Late but here! 15:13:57 <mihalis68_> I do one leg of travel at the weekend where possible. it's not so much keeping my boss happy as minimising the away time 15:14:01 <smcginnis> spotz! 15:14:01 <mihalis68_> hi spotz! 15:14:18 <emccormick> other actions we had from before 15:14:20 <mihalis68_> #agreed those attending favor the Thur/Friday pair of dates 15:14:22 <emccormick> mrhillsman to suggest to superuser editor and jeremy stanley an article about the mailing list merge 15:14:28 <mihalis68_> #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-unifies-mailing-lists/ 15:14:35 <mihalis68_> heh 15:14:49 <mihalis68_> that posted a couple of days ago I think 15:14:55 <emccormick> super! 15:15:11 <emccormick> smcginnis will look into moving the arch guide to enable others to update it going forwards 15:15:22 <emccormick> Guessing that is pending given your travels 15:15:25 <mihalis68_> he can give us an update on all that in next topic, if htats ok? 15:15:35 <mihalis68_> it's in flight AFAIK 15:15:40 <emccormick> You're going to speak fluent German by next summer 15:15:53 <mihalis68_> any other updates from those attending on past actions? 15:15:56 <emccormick> fine with me :) 15:16:14 <mihalis68_> #topic ops docs 15:16:29 <mihalis68_> smcginnis how's this going? I think you've been pretty busy! 15:16:40 <smcginnis> #link https://docs.openstack.org/arch-design/ 15:16:42 <smcginnis> Done@ 15:16:46 <mihalis68_> ("this" being the move of doc 3 into the sig) 15:16:53 <mihalis68_> hash applause 15:17:06 <smcginnis> It has been officially registered as sig-owned and the source has been moved to its own repo. 15:17:08 <emccormick> sweet 15:17:09 <spotz> Nice 15:17:20 <mihalis68_> I had an action to set up a meeting for the ops docs sig. Not done yet, sorry 15:17:31 <smcginnis> #link http://github.com/openstack/arch-design 15:17:46 <smcginnis> Several updates in there so far too for translations and other updates. 15:18:10 <mihalis68_> nice work. 15:18:25 <mihalis68_> emccormick volunteered last week for some work on the operations guide IIRC 15:18:33 <emccormick> Does anyone have a preferred tool for editing RST so you can see what it looks like without doing a build? 15:18:39 <mihalis68_> I can't wait to rej^wreview it 15:18:54 <emccormick> I did. I'm going to work on stripping off that deployment section in favor of a lighter thing with references to other docs 15:18:55 <smcginnis> I've seen a couple decent online editors. 15:19:15 <emccormick> I expect to work on that over the holidays while bored in BFE Pennsylvania at my in-laws 15:19:54 <mihalis68_> excellent. I'm looking forward to it. on a personal note I'm going to mildly subvert a chromebook to have a linux co-install and get the build environment for OS docs up in there 15:19:55 <emccormick> I have some old emacs habits that have led me to install an RST module into it, but I haven't tried it out yet 15:19:59 <emccormick> nasty I know 15:20:18 <mihalis68_> oh I'm an Emacs user <morpheus voice> and I'm not ashamed 15:20:23 <emccormick> All you really need is git and git-review 15:20:30 <emccormick> no need for devstack and all that goo 15:20:37 <mihalis68_> and my trust -2 button mwhahaha 15:21:03 <mihalis68_> ok ops docs is picking up speed and I need to catch up 15:21:18 <mihalis68_> I have to buy sean and erik beers for that. Maybe in Berlin (again!) 15:21:25 <mihalis68_> #topic 2019 meetups 15:21:26 <smcginnis> :) 15:21:49 <mihalis68_> someone remind me, are we trying to agree the Berlin proposal by one week from today? 15:22:11 <mihalis68_> I think so, right? 15:22:21 <simon-AS559> Let's go for it 15:22:31 <smcginnis> Make it so. ;) 15:22:32 <emccormick> I believe that's what we decided to give ample time for people to butter up their significant others over the holidays :D 15:22:41 <mrhillsman> seems reasonable 15:22:50 <emccormick> and ample time for DT to plan 15:22:58 <mihalis68_> #action mihalis68 to mail the community suggesting the Thur/Fri slot be approved for meetup #1 2019 15:23:11 <mrhillsman> especially being dt has already reserved and they own the building ;) 15:23:28 <mihalis68_> we've tried using polls to get guidance rom the "ops community" but honestly I don't think it worked 15:23:34 <emccormick> and mention proposals for meetup 1 close Tuesday morning 15:23:35 <mihalis68_> we got like 17 responses 15:24:08 <spotz> mihalis68_: 17 isn't a bad response:( 15:24:14 <mihalis68_> so I say we follow the sentiment expressed here, favoring the Thursday/Friday and suggesting that the DT proposal is otherwise a fine one and should be declared officially accepted next week 15:24:43 <simon-AS559> sounds good 15:24:57 <mihalis68_> any objections? 15:24:58 <spotz> +1 15:25:19 <mihalis68_> mrhillsman? 15:25:20 <emccormick> +1 15:25:35 <mihalis68_> vw? 15:25:45 <mihalis68_> (not that I've seen him today here but I can hope) 15:25:57 <smcginnis> mrhillsman is here with me and is good with the plan. 15:26:12 <mihalis68_> ok then I've already actioned myself to mail the list 15:26:36 <mihalis68_> btw I finally read the rules about the combined mailing list and I love how our [subject] is now just {ops}. Seems so easy... 15:26:46 <mihalis68_> [topic] I guess 15:27:05 <emccormick> so easy...for people to filter out hehe 15:27:21 <smcginnis> Yep! 15:27:23 <mihalis68_> I already mentioned the second global meetup (in progress at my employer) 15:27:34 <mihalis68_> the only other meetup item is the potential openstack day at CERN 15:28:11 <emccormick> We had a drop-in last week by someone who runs a Toronto meetup that had interest in holding an event at some point 15:28:24 <emccormick> nothing more than an interest, but perhaps they'll need some help one day 15:28:43 <mihalis68_> yes, true. I've also got very early tentive discussions about reviving something in NYC, but too early to say much about it 15:29:36 <mihalis68_> should we ask Belmiro if they are going to formally offer something? I'm not sure we're needed to sanction or organise it, but perhaps we can offer to help 15:29:49 <mrhillsman> yes i am, sorry 15:30:06 <smcginnis> Any assistance we could provide, I think that would be good. 15:30:17 <smcginnis> Even just amplifying things. 15:30:37 <emccormick> Maybe just let him know we're here to assist if and when they decide to formalize something 15:30:43 <mihalis68_> Simon I wonder would you care to pick up the subject with Belmiro? 15:30:44 <smcginnis> ++ 15:30:59 <mihalis68_> You're at least in a similar time zone 15:31:08 <mihalis68_> simon-AS559 I mean 15:31:11 <mrhillsman> i’m still down to wrangle moderators 15:31:26 <simon-AS559> I can contact Belmiro. 15:31:48 <simon-AS559> That would be a counter-proposal to the meeting in Berlin in March? 15:31:51 <mihalis68_> ok great. the message is we'd like to help, and also setting a date and making a commitment enables real planning 15:32:11 <mihalis68_> No they don't compete at all. CERN is pondering a one-off single day "openstack dat" 15:32:15 <mihalis68_> openstack day 15:32:18 <simon-AS559> OK, right. 15:32:22 <simon-AS559> Happy to offer our assistance. 15:32:49 <mihalis68_> and their timing is fairly close to the summit, so it would not fit the ops meetups guidelines too well as a replacement for berlin anyway 15:32:56 <emccormick> Late May was their target I think 15:33:13 <mihalis68_> mrhillsman moderators and technical agenda planning should start as soon as we lock in berlin 15:33:17 <emccormick> was like 3 weeks post-summit 15:33:34 <mihalis68_> I'm excited to get to that point soon and ensure a higher chance of a high quality event 15:34:40 <mihalis68_> #action simon-AS559 to contact Belmiro Moreira (CERN) to find out if they are ready to set a date and commit to an openstack day at CERN 15:34:48 <mihalis68_> with the offer of help from the meetups team 15:36:02 <mihalis68_> any more comments on upcoming meetups? 15:36:14 <smcginnis> Nope 15:36:19 <mihalis68_> I just took a "temperature reading" with my boss. Me attending Denver is a given 15:36:19 <emccormick> none here 15:36:26 <mihalis68_> China, for me, is a bit of a stretch 15:36:37 <smcginnis> I think it will be a stretch for many. 15:36:55 <emccormick> I'd skip all the rest if it gave me a shot at that one ;) 15:37:07 <mihalis68_> for me it's not budget or time so much as there has been some difficulty between parts of my employer and china in the past 15:37:15 * smcginnis has to step away for a while 15:37:29 <mrhillsman> ^ 15:37:31 <mihalis68_> plenty of time to discuss that later. I may have to rely on erik for that one 15:37:42 <emccormick> ttyl boys 15:37:42 <mihalis68_> peoples time is valuable, so 15:37:45 <mihalis68_> #topic any other business 15:37:49 <spotz> I think a lot of stackers might pass on China from the US 15:38:10 <emccormick> Hong Kong would have been a lot easier I think 15:38:12 <mihalis68_> I'd actually love to go, my daughter has ok Mandarin 15:38:19 <emccormick> especially given certain...political situations 15:38:38 <emccormick> do we even know what city yet? 15:38:39 <mihalis68_> I feel like things like openstack should strive to balance out the political shenanigans. Anyway 15:38:43 <emccormick> China is a big place 15:38:55 <mihalis68_> like space? (apologies to douglas adams) 15:39:04 <emccormick> hehe 15:39:17 <mihalis68_> ok final call. Think we got through everything we needed to 15:39:20 <emccormick> All future events in Switzerland 15:39:29 <simon-AS559> +1 15:39:51 <mihalis68_> #endmeeting