14:04:31 <mihalis68_> #startmeeting ops-meetup-team 14:04:32 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Jun 18 14:04:31 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:04:33 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:04:35 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' 14:04:37 <smcginnis> o/ 14:04:38 <mihalis68_> I haven't put together the agenda for today 14:04:47 <mihalis68_> I just wanted to wake this up and work out next steps 14:04:59 <mihalis68_> hi smcginnis and congratulations on teh new role! 14:05:38 <mihalis68_> time is moving on rapidly, i think we really need the eventbrite ticket to be issued. 14:05:47 <mihalis68_> I'm going to try and get that done 14:06:04 <mihalis68_> #action mihalis68_ get the eventbrite issued for the NYC meetup in september 14:06:58 <emccormick> agreed 14:07:06 <emccormick> no cover charge this time, right? 14:07:52 <mihalis68_> that was what I was told when we made the firm offer. I need to reverify with my open source supremo within bloomberg 14:08:06 <mihalis68_> but no charge and lunch included is the plan! :) 14:08:09 <smcginnis> Ah, that was a Bloomberg thing? 14:08:13 <mihalis68_> yes 14:08:21 <smcginnis> Cool. Thanks Bloomberg! 14:08:29 <mihalis68_> we instituted the charge to deter the casual moocher 14:08:43 <mihalis68_> but I think the government issued ID requirement might scare such people off (just a guess) 14:08:52 <mihalis68_> will you be able to come still, given your new job? 14:09:18 <smcginnis> Not sure yet. 14:09:37 <smcginnis> I plan on discussing events and travel later this week, so hopefully I will know soon. 14:09:43 <emccormick> You're supposed to get these things put in your employment contract :D 14:09:48 <smcginnis> ;) 14:10:00 <emccormick> Sure I'll come work for you, but I must be funded to attend all Ops Meetups and Summits 14:10:03 <mihalis68_> heh no job heckling here plz 14:10:22 <emccormick> *taunts you most egregiously* 14:10:50 <emccormick> What's your impression of the crowdedness at the ping pong place? 14:10:53 <mihalis68_> ok, skeletal agenda now up 14:10:55 <mihalis68_> #link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:10:56 <emccormick> are we going to need a reservation? 14:11:21 <mihalis68_> I mentioned the idea to boss^2 and he was tentatively in favor 14:11:42 <emccormick> depends on attendance to some extent I suppose 14:11:45 <mihalis68_> it might be that we get the booking and some other attending organisation gets some money in for snacks and drinks 14:11:48 <mihalis68_> can't promise that 14:12:10 <mihalis68_> #action mihalis68_ to check if we can also do wearespin booking for ops meetup in NYC, September 14:12:34 <emccormick> What's required for a booking? 14:12:39 <mihalis68_> emccormick knows about this because I shared photos of a recent bloomberg leadership event there 14:12:43 <mihalis68_> I'll find out 14:13:06 <mihalis68_> I think a few tables is cheap, but we had a table+food+drink for 2 hour deal 14:13:38 <mihalis68_> I can still hit a pingpong ball ok in good light, but two steps further back from the table I'm hopeless #damnyouaging 14:13:55 <smcginnis> Even if we had to do something like reserved tables, but food and drink is on your own or up to another company to cover, I thin kthat would be fine. 14:14:15 <mihalis68_> yeah, I'll err on the side of getting something done, instead of holding out for something more lavish 14:14:18 <mihalis68_> we don't need lavish 14:14:52 <mihalis68_> in case anyone isn't familiar, it's basically a pingpong hall with attached bar/grill on the side. I love it 14:15:16 <mihalis68_> other than that, I would like to repeat the encouragemnet to get topics up, and +1 existing ones 14:15:42 <emccormick> I put a couple things before but haven't looked in a couple weeks. Need to follow up on that 14:15:48 <emccormick> maybe another twitter ping is in order 14:16:24 <mihalis68_> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC19-OPS-MEETUP 14:16:29 <shintaro> we have about 13 topic proposals 14:17:14 <mihalis68_> ok. I'll retweet the link 14:17:37 <mihalis68_> I'd like the ops team to make the decision on moving topics from proposed to accepted 14:17:42 <mihalis68_> should we start that next week? 14:17:50 <smcginnis> +1 14:17:51 <med_> +1 14:17:54 <mihalis68_> the bit that's missing right now is agreed or at least penciled in moderators 14:18:10 <mihalis68_> I imagine this here meeting will provide moderators for a few 14:18:10 <shintaro> +1 14:18:23 * med_ could likely moderate stuff but won't have a lot to contribute other than refereeing 14:18:29 <mihalis68_> and for example the redhat proposed octavia one proposes the moderator at the same time 14:18:41 <mihalis68_> med_ that's all the moderator really has to do 14:18:46 <med_> yep 14:18:53 <mihalis68_> some moderators do lead technically, but not required 14:19:04 <mihalis68_> I've moderated a ceph session or two in front of Sage Weill :) 14:19:07 <med_> been there, done that. warm body with black and white livery to ref. 14:19:09 <emccormick> and shout "wake the @#$% up!" periodically 14:19:11 <mihalis68_> ha ha 14:19:27 <mihalis68_> also med_ throws more swag than the next nearest 10 moderators - this counts for a lot 14:19:57 <emccormick> stay awake or be hit in the face with a fedora-wearing duck 14:19:57 <mihalis68_> (but also not required! :) 14:20:04 <med_> you got that right. 14:20:18 <mihalis68_> I always wanted a James Gosling t-shirt gun 14:20:19 * med_ is sitting in front of leftover swag from Vancouver summit 14:20:24 <med_> all flingable 14:20:29 <mihalis68_> excellent 14:21:22 <mihalis68_> where I can see a popular topic with moderator I will start an etherpad, and then we will agree that those topics are officially on the agenda starting next week 14:21:23 <mihalis68_> yes? 14:22:02 <emccormick> sounds good 14:22:15 <mihalis68_> cool 14:22:20 <shintaro> sounds reasonable 14:22:23 <mihalis68_> that's it for now for NYC (and that's a lot!) 14:22:30 <mihalis68_> thanks for the feedback 14:22:44 <mihalis68_> I feel like mentioning shanghai deadlines are coming up now 14:22:49 * smcginnis notices mihalis68_ gets all the #actions 14:22:54 <mihalis68_> #topic next openstack summit 14:23:10 <smcginnis> CFP ends soon, so if anyone has a good talk idea, please get that in. 14:23:14 <mihalis68_> smcginnis it's ok for NYC, it's literally part of my job 14:23:15 <shintaro> do we have OpsMeetup room in Shanghai? 14:23:16 <med_> ashleigh ferguson (or ashlee I forget) is definitely looking for submissions 14:23:29 <mihalis68_> spotz and I were here last week 14:23:59 <emccormick> ops meetup in shanghai seems dicey now based on the PTG structure 14:24:01 <mihalis68_> she says Erin asked how many people an ops meetup at the summit would be and she replied 15-20 14:24:10 <emccormick> I kinda thought it was no problem but now I don't know 14:24:22 <mihalis68_> I saw the PTG email but ... tl;dr 14:24:27 <emccormick> 15-20?? seems kinda light 14:24:28 <mihalis68_> can summarize plz? 14:24:33 <emccormick> but who knows 14:24:58 <emccormick> summary: large teams will have a dedicated room but most teams will be in a large shared space 14:25:04 <emccormick> ie. It didn't sound like a lot of room 14:25:16 <mihalis68_> well, china is pretty small after all 14:25:16 <emccormick> also PTG starts on Wednesday (Summit day 3) 14:25:30 <mihalis68_> ^ joke-type humor-thing, hopefully obvious 14:25:39 <emccormick> so Forum is only 2 days. They neglect to mention that it's really 1.5 days because keynotes blow up monday morning 14:26:07 <shintaro> So OpsMeetup will be one of the PTG sessions in open space? 14:26:16 <mihalis68_> maybe we can divide and conquer a bit? Erik and Sean maybe you can have a look at what's possible for shanghai for ops? 14:26:33 <emccormick> Honestly I dunno. It would seem it would need to be given that's the only other part of the event happening those days 14:27:03 <emccormick> I guess an email to Erin and Kendall is in order? 14:27:13 <mihalis68_> I am hesitant to officially be part of PTG for ops 14:27:22 <mihalis68_> there's a sort of impedance mismatch 14:27:30 <emccormick> I don't think it's meant to be part of PTG at all 14:27:45 <emccormick> but that space is what's available unless we go somewhere on our own 14:27:51 <emccormick> and that complicates things quite a bit 14:28:01 <mihalis68_> can I action you to survey latest facts and email the people who might be able help clarify? 14:28:18 <emccormick> Yes I will be the spammer 14:28:38 <mihalis68_> #action emccormick to sp... email people to work out what we may be able to do for ops meetup in shanghai 14:28:53 <mihalis68_> anything else about shanghai for today? 14:29:16 <emccormick> nyet 14:29:28 <mihalis68_> #topic ops meetups 2020 14:29:44 <shintaro> I've contacted Jay from Korea and confirmed that he is okay to move to 2nd 2020 for Korea 14:29:44 <mihalis68_> I had an action to look at how the regional rotation might work for future meetups 14:29:48 <mihalis68_> have not had a chance 14:29:52 <mihalis68_> action continues 14:30:01 <mihalis68_> aha, that's great, thanks Shintaro! 14:30:12 <mihalis68_> does this mean meetup #1 would be in the USA? 14:30:15 <mihalis68_> I forget 14:30:26 <mihalis68_> I think erik like USA, other, USA, other2 14:30:30 <shintaro> EU if I remember correct 14:30:31 <emccormick> We talked about doing EU and skipping a USA 14:30:31 <mihalis68_> or at least NA 14:30:34 <mihalis68_> ah ok 14:30:41 <emccormick> just this once to reset the rotation 14:30:46 <mihalis68_> is there an idea for an EU ops meetup in 2020? 14:30:54 <mihalis68_> sorry, didn't prepare for today, lots going on here 14:31:07 <emccormick> so NYC->EU->APAC->US 14:31:22 <mihalis68_> we can try 14:31:27 <emccormick> then resume the every other North America one 14:31:47 <mihalis68_> works for me, but may be self-serving 14:31:49 <emccormick> if it doesn't work, so be it, but it would get us in better opposition to Summit locaitons 14:31:53 <mihalis68_> ok 14:32:04 <mihalis68_> seems like an agreed rough working goal 14:32:17 <mihalis68_> we could tweet this out too 14:32:25 <emccormick> so then for 2020 Part One we would look for an EU host 14:32:34 <mihalis68_> see if there are EU hosts thinking about it 14:32:35 <mihalis68_> snap! 14:32:41 <mihalis68_> I'll tweet it 14:32:45 <mihalis68_> from our shared twitter 14:32:51 <emccormick> and I think Simon or somebody had a volunteer? 14:33:02 <mihalis68_> seems familiar 14:33:02 <smcginnis> Let's invade CERN again. :) 14:33:06 <emccormick> hopefully the tweet will wake them 14:33:10 <mihalis68_> again? I've never been! 14:33:12 <mihalis68_> so jealous 14:33:21 <smcginnis> Me neither, that's why I want a do-over. 14:33:24 <emccormick> Yeah that'd be super 14:33:42 <mihalis68_> absolutely 14:34:03 <emccormick> All Neutron-related sessions to be held in the LHC 14:34:16 <shintaro> Somewhere Nordic would be nice, too 14:34:25 <emccormick> *nod* 14:34:51 <mihalis68_> a friend of mine keeps going arctic circle porsche ice driving and tells me I must try it 14:35:03 * smcginnis really likes Copenhagen 14:35:12 <smcginnis> mihalis68_: Get studded tires on the Porsche? :D 14:35:20 <mihalis68_> so it needs to be here: https://experience.porsche.com/en/ice 14:35:21 <spotz> Sorry I'm late 14:35:29 <mihalis68_> welcome spotz 14:35:36 <emccormick> o/ 14:35:47 <mihalis68_> erik is actioned to email people and try to work out if an ops meetup in shanghai is still doable 14:36:07 <med_> I liked Copenhagen a lot and would readily return. 14:36:22 <med_> but I'm open to any Nordic or LHC trips. 14:36:22 <mihalis68_> would rather drive their car on ice 14:36:38 <mihalis68_> med_ you're a lapsed hard sciencer right? 14:37:00 <mihalis68_> rocket surgeon or similar? 14:37:12 <med_> not really, but was very interested. I was a EE in school. Ah, did some guidance work for the USAF. 14:37:28 <mihalis68_> aha! 14:37:30 <med_> but not bleeding edge. Merely replacing what was done with TTL with a computer. 14:37:47 <med_> so I claim (a little bit) that I was a rocket scientist. 14:37:49 <mihalis68_> you're a rocket scientist like I'm a submariner 14:37:51 <mihalis68_> :P 14:37:56 <med_> probably so. 14:38:09 <mihalis68_> think we might be near to done 14:38:12 <mihalis68_> #topic any other business 14:38:18 * med_ has been in a stationery inland submarine but only in a rocket launch tube, not the actual rocket itself. 14:38:21 <mihalis68_> is there any comment on this meeting cadence, timing etc? 14:38:41 <mihalis68_> nobody turned up the past two weeks, but That's Ok (tm) 14:38:43 <emccormick> fine with me 14:38:45 <shintaro> nope 14:38:59 <mihalis68_> ok then, last call for comments, suggestions , gripes 14:39:04 <emccormick> just work hell ruined previous weeks. No time would have worked better 14:39:10 <mihalis68_> understood 14:39:20 <mihalis68_> this is why I like being involved with operators in particular 14:39:32 <mihalis68_> we go and get dirty-handed, so to speak 14:39:43 <mihalis68_> ok occasionally we get completely blown up, but that's the job 14:40:10 <mihalis68_> we just found a fantastically awful bug in ubuntu 14:40:24 <med_> win? 14:40:28 <mihalis68_> on certain kernels the "TLB shootdowns" can paralyze an entire hypervisor for many seconds 14:40:40 <mihalis68_> guests see kernel exceptions, kernel crashes, packet loss, you name it 14:40:40 <med_> ick. 14:40:55 <mihalis68_> anyway, deploying a newer kernel today and so happy 14:41:10 <emccormick> That's icky 14:41:21 <mihalis68_> basically the background chores can build up and it takes a blocking vacation to go clean up 14:41:29 <mihalis68_> dirty page handling 14:41:44 <mihalis68_> not ubuntu _per se_ 14:41:57 <mihalis68_> I just mean the kernel we happened to be running (ubuntu distro) 14:42:01 <emccormick> just their chosen version 14:42:04 <mihalis68_> yeah 14:42:26 <mihalis68_> last weeks fun was IP address renumbering an entire cluster *whilst preserving VMs* 14:42:38 <emccormick> I like my old stale Centos kernels TYVM 14:42:41 <emccormick> hehe 14:42:43 <emccormick> 3.10 FTW 14:42:49 <mihalis68_> ok, my diversionary tactics didn't throw up any more ops meetups team business 14:42:51 <mihalis68_> last call 14:43:18 <mihalis68_> good luck to smcginnis on defining his new role! We hope he can continue with us here :) 14:43:32 <mihalis68_> #endmeeting