14:08:27 <mihalis68_> #startmeeting ops-meetup-team
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14:08:56 <mihalis68_> #topic actions
14:09:10 <mihalis68_> I haven't updated the agenda today, I thought my previous meeting was cancelled but it wasn't
14:09:23 <mihalis68_> We opened up registration for the next meetup last wee
14:09:25 <mihalis68_> week
14:09:36 <smcginnis> Any registrations yet?
14:10:18 <mihalis68_> I think we have about 15 non-Bloomberg and 10+ Bloomberg
14:10:38 <shintaro> hi
14:10:57 <mihalis68_> The ceph guys here want to discuss ceph with openstack and also the possibility of launching a ceph operators meetup series separate to openstack meetups
14:11:00 <mihalis68_> hi shintaro
14:11:23 <shintaro> I'm working on our internal process to travel
14:11:28 <smcginnis> That's a great number for this soon after releasing the registration link.
14:12:28 <mihalis68_> I agree. I am getting excited
14:12:31 <mihalis68_> other updates:
14:12:39 <mihalis68_> we'll provide breakfast and lunch to all attendees
14:13:01 <spotz> mihalis68_: did yoou ever get with Thingee?
14:13:09 <mihalis68_> also I'll be out on vacation this time next week but hope to have some progress on etherpads before then to share with the community
14:13:20 <mihalis68_> I have not talked to him yet but that's a very good point
14:13:35 <mihalis68_> #action contact thingee re: ceph content at NYC meetup
14:15:55 <mihalis68_> We have several topics with lots of +1s already. I think they are clearly ready to start their own planning etherpads.
14:16:19 <mihalis68_> #action mihalis68_ to break out already popular topics into separate etherpads and share with community
14:17:25 <mihalis68_> these I think are voted in :
14:17:25 <mihalis68_> Deployment tools+1+1+1+1+1
14:17:25 <mihalis68_> Ceph +1+1+1+1
14:17:25 <mihalis68_> Long-term Support +1+1
14:17:25 <mihalis68_> Arch Show and Tell Lightning Talk+1+1+1+1+1+1
14:17:26 <mihalis68_> Ops War Stories Lightning Talk+1+1+1
14:17:41 <mihalis68_> any objection to recognizing these immediately?
14:18:48 <mihalis68_> I guess that's fine then. Aiming for end of day to start these. I was thinking of tweeting each accepted topic once via the notification account. Thoughts on that?
14:18:52 <shintaro> no. these topics are always popular
14:19:17 <mihalis68_> (I guess I should have a confirmed moderator for each before tweeting out links)
14:19:36 <smcginnis> Unless you use the tweet to help find a moderator?
14:19:49 <mihalis68_> ooh! :)
14:20:24 <mihalis68_> I'll try that.
14:21:05 <emccormick> Hey I'm here. Sorry, people be breaking my ceph cluster
14:21:14 <mihalis68_> hey there
14:21:51 <mihalis68_> not sure if you have scrollback, but there's a list of hot topics ready to become separate etherpads and really get into detailed content, moderator selection etc.
14:22:03 <mihalis68_> I'll be leading with the twitter account but also keeping the mailing list informed
14:22:24 <mihalis68_> I also have access to the email addresses of the attendees so will cc: them on such things
14:22:50 <emccormick> Was just catching up. Sounds good
14:23:20 <emccormick> You can list me as moderator for deployment tools
14:23:26 <mihalis68_> ok great
14:23:38 <emccormick> Just to seed the pot
14:25:03 <mihalis68_> anything else for NYC?
14:25:28 <mihalis68_> #topic Shanghai summit
14:25:45 <mihalis68_> did anyone find out the definitive info on what visa we will need to go to china for the summit?
14:26:10 <smcginnis> Sounds like either tourist or business should work.
14:26:35 <mihalis68_> is tourist easier to get? I have no idea about this
14:26:38 <smcginnis> I think I used https://cibtvisas.com/china-visa?source=china_destination_homepage
14:26:47 <smcginnis> They help a lot (though at a price).
14:27:01 <smcginnis> Not sure if one is easier than the other.
14:27:32 <emccormick> You dont have to get an invitation for tourist
14:27:51 <emccormick> Just a hotel reservation
14:28:12 <emccormick> And apparently tourist ones come back faster
14:28:17 <mihalis68_> I think I'll ask around and then perhaps go for business visa. It seems like I'd get a 10 year one from the page sean linked
14:28:42 <smcginnis> Yeah, in my case, I didn't think a tourist visa would cut it. :)
14:28:45 <emccormick> Its random
14:28:52 <mihalis68_> my employer may have guidelines though. I'll ask
14:29:35 <mihalis68_> who's going that's here today?
14:29:49 <emccormick> Imma do business just to avoid any nitpicking immigration officials
14:29:55 <smcginnis> I think I will be there. Usual caveats apply.
14:29:58 <emccormick> o/
14:30:00 <mihalis68_> o/
14:30:03 <smcginnis> emccormick: Good call.
14:30:26 <shintaro> I will too
14:30:46 <emccormick> o and if anyone knows where they're staying...
14:31:01 <emccormick> I don't wanna be alone in Shanghai hehe
14:31:02 <mihalis68_> it's not clear to me what opportunities for a real ops meetup day we have
14:31:12 <emccormick> probably going Intercontinental Expo
14:31:13 <mihalis68_> we've responded to diablo_cody about our wishes
14:31:25 <smcginnis> Hah
14:31:26 <mihalis68_> Oh yeah I didn't check, sorry emccormick, will try to get to that
14:32:40 <mihalis68_> are we going to do something in any case? we talked about just using hotel bar space
14:32:58 <emccormick> That hotel has conference and meeting facilities btw. If we found a benevolent sponsor, maybe we could do a 1 day thing on our own. Not sure how much a room costs but maybe wouldn't hurt to look into ;)
14:33:07 <emccormick> or the hotel bar, yeah
14:33:18 <emccormick> I think at least an informal thing would be nice
14:33:30 <mihalis68_> I wont be asking Bloomberg to pay for space in shanghai, it will be too soon after us hosting here
14:33:42 <emccormick> nono not Bloomberg heh
14:33:59 <emccormick> maybe one of the chinese cloud operators
14:34:17 <emccormick> Cloud99 who's handing out the invitation letters
14:34:19 <mihalis68_> so we seem to be moving towards asking someone to host, just like the "mid-cycles"
14:34:35 <emccormick> I don't want to make it that official
14:34:42 <emccormick> but it's worth looking into
14:34:58 <mihalis68_> It would be a bit easier if we could find a local coordinator
14:35:09 <emccormick> yep
14:35:09 <mihalis68_> or even just a local person to bounce ideas off
14:35:39 <mihalis68_> maybe I should ask the mailing list for someone to step forward
14:35:40 <shintaro> How about Horace Li, the Foundation guy in China
14:35:52 <mihalis68_> do you know him personally?
14:36:08 <shintaro> Yes, he came to OpenStack Days Tokyo last month
14:37:11 <smcginnis> Horace would be a great resource to use for that.
14:37:23 <mihalis68_> Could I ask you to contact him and ask him for ideas on a separate space for an ops meetup, since the best the foundation can offer is maybe some space in a big room with other people there
14:37:42 <shintaro> I will
14:37:59 <mihalis68_> #action shintaro to reach out to Horace Li for ideas on space for ops meetup day in shanghai
14:38:17 <shintaro> got it
14:38:20 <emccormick> FYI 99Cloud was the one I was thinking of. I got it backwards
14:38:40 <mihalis68_> I'm thinking about how Mark Collier talked about openstack clusters measured in hectares in china
14:38:54 <mihalis68_> seems like a room for a day is not a lot to ask in that context
14:38:57 <emccormick> and there's now a list of suggested hotels on the summit page. 0 of which are the one I was looking at *heh*
14:39:10 <mihalis68_> Oh maybe that was Jon Bryce, yeah, because it's like a ranch in texas
14:39:47 <mihalis68_> anything else to discuss re: shanghai for today?
14:39:51 <shintaro> Do we have any preferred day for OpsMeetup?
14:40:35 <emccormick> I would think Thursday
14:40:39 <mihalis68_> I haven't really studied the conference schedule
14:40:42 <emccormick> once all the summit and forum things wrap up
14:40:50 <mihalis68_> personally I like to be able to soak up all the keynotes
14:40:54 <mihalis68_> yeah, right, exactly
14:40:58 <emccormick> PTG actually begins Wednesday
14:41:03 <emccormick> Forum is Monday / Tuesday
14:41:13 <emccormick> but there's still presentations Wednesday too
14:41:41 <shintaro> OK I will ask for Thursday
14:41:46 <emccormick> so I would think Thursday would be best
14:41:56 <smcginnis> Agree
14:41:58 <emccormick> Then I can go be a tourist for 3 days ;)
14:42:22 <mihalis68_> sounds good
14:42:31 <mihalis68_> I can't see past September for some reason :)
14:43:02 <emccormick> Can't imagine why...
14:43:07 <mihalis68_> #topic 2020 meetups
14:43:22 <emccormick> O. We should add a session in September to ask for Forum submissions
14:43:37 <emccormick> I think we need to keep our requests very light this time. Maybe one or two since the Forum is so short
14:43:50 <mihalis68_> agreed
14:43:55 <emccormick> 2020 was on me to put out the call for
14:43:55 <mihalis68_> throw it up on the planning etherpad
14:44:02 <mihalis68_> yeah, was just about to remind you
14:44:04 <emccormick> and I have not done it
14:44:12 <emccormick> *shakes fist at his Ceph cluster*
14:44:24 <emccormick> I have a half written email I will try to wrap up today
14:44:34 <mihalis68_> let's not kick ourselves too much. We are here and trying...
14:46:02 <mihalis68_> is anyone here about to register for NYC? The reason I ask is I plan to ping the registered attendees who are not bloomberg employees about someone else sponsoring the day 1 evening social
14:46:13 <mihalis68_> I'm guessing not but thought I'd see
14:46:33 <mihalis68_> We have a good number from a large telecom company :)
14:46:36 <mihalis68_> naming no names
14:46:36 <emccormick> I"m already signed up :)
14:46:40 <mihalis68_> I saw!
14:47:12 <mihalis68_> I'll kick off that discussion
14:48:03 <mihalis68_> #action mihalis68_ to ask attendees to NYC meetup about sponsoring the social
14:48:10 <mihalis68_> (sorry to jump back a topic or two)
14:48:22 <shintaro> It may take another week for me to get ready to register...
14:49:02 <mihalis68_> I'm sure I'll be ping the attendees again a couple more times
14:49:38 <mihalis68_> I was showing a colleague who runs our ceph team now all the material we have from past meetups. Definitely started to feel a sense of achievement from all this
14:50:12 <mihalis68_> I can't decide whether splitting ceph out into a separate stream is the right thing, or just slightly expand the mission
14:50:21 <mihalis68_> does anyone have strong thoughts on that?
14:50:54 <mihalis68_> I mean, this team is explicitly the openstack operators meetups
14:51:21 <mihalis68_> however it sprang from a foundation that has now expanded its mission into things like cicd and other things
14:51:54 <smcginnis> I think ceph is very complementary and fits well with the overall mission of the group.
14:51:58 <emccormick> I guess it's just a matter of interest
14:52:07 <emccormick> we'll guage it and see
14:52:13 <mihalis68_> yes, interest-wise it's a good fit
14:52:35 <mihalis68_> I'm trying to work out whether making it semi-officially the "openstack and ceph operators meetup" would be a breach of some protocol
14:53:00 <mihalis68_> ceph has always had a slightly undefined status vis a vis openstack
14:53:05 <mihalis68_> not an official openstack project
14:53:09 <mihalis68_> a very important project to openstack
14:53:17 <mihalis68_> huge overlap in the communities
14:53:59 <smcginnis> I think for many operators, it's hard to talk about running an OpenStack cloud without at least some coverage of ceph.
14:54:23 <smcginnis> It's always one of the most popular cinder backends according to the survey results.
14:54:26 <mihalis68_> yeah, I saw stats saying 68% of production openstack deployments use ceph for storage
14:54:42 <mihalis68_> and that was a while ago (maybe 2+ years)
14:55:03 <mihalis68_> I guess it's something the community should decide
14:55:05 <mihalis68_> in NYC
14:56:50 <mihalis68_> it has become more of a goal for my employer to facilitate a community around ceph given that it now technically "belongs" to IBM and (no disrespect to IBM) needs a counterbalance to "giant corporate behemoth" ownership tendencies
14:57:00 <emccormick> ok, I"m having multple messengers buzzing at once. I'm gonna go idle here in a sec (more than I've already been)
14:57:02 <mihalis68_> alright
14:57:05 <mihalis68_> oversharing there
14:57:09 <emccormick> :D
14:57:10 <mihalis68_> #topic any other business
14:57:34 <emccormick> I'm going to message the organizers of the two local openstack meetups here about the NYC meetup
14:57:43 <mihalis68_> excellent
14:57:48 <emccormick> might draw a bit of interest if they share since it's so close
14:58:10 <mihalis68_> final thing I wanted to mention : we have three good rooms booked all day both days. Plenty of space for parallel tracks and/or breakout/follow-on sessions
14:58:13 <emccormick> People are crappy about showing up to events but the membership is pretty good
14:58:25 <emccormick> super
14:58:31 <mihalis68_> feel free to share my contact info for questions etc
14:59:03 <mihalis68_> last call
14:59:43 <mihalis68_> ok thanks everyone. I will share this meetings minutes on the list
14:59:52 <mihalis68_> see you in two weeks (vacation next week)
14:59:58 <mihalis68_> #endmeeting