13:03:06 <spotz> #startmeeting ops-meetup-team 13:03:06 <opendevmeet> Meeting started Tue Apr 26 13:03:06 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:03:06 <opendevmeet> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:03:06 <opendevmeet> The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' 13:03:16 <spotz> #chair NilsMagnus[m] emccormick 13:03:16 <opendevmeet> Current chairs: NilsMagnus[m] emccormick spotz 13:03:24 <spotz> #topic ROll Call 13:03:36 <spotz> #chair mihalis68 13:03:36 <opendevmeet> Current chairs: NilsMagnus[m] emccormick mihalis68 spotz 13:03:57 <NilsMagnus[m]> cool, do we have an agenda? 13:04:34 <spotz> I did not set one but I can update on what I've done 13:04:36 <emccormick> o/ 13:04:36 <mihalis68> did you start the meeting? 13:04:53 <mihalis68> is the bot going? 13:04:57 <spotz> Right before you logged in. And everyone is a chair so you can type the commands 13:05:14 <mihalis68> ok. I just use free irccloud so I don't have scrollback 13:05:18 <emccormick> Doing this on my phone atm. Apologies for fat thumbs 13:05:48 <spotz> #topic spots's update 13:06:08 <spotz> The registration is out ad live 13:06:12 <spotz> #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ops-meetup-tickets-322813472787 13:06:32 <NilsMagnus[m]> my proposals: *) program, *) catering, *) ticket *) t-shirt in any order 13:06:38 <mihalis68> yes and I've registered! 13:06:48 <NilsMagnus[m]> Ah, that's good news! 13:07:14 <spotz> It has been emailed to the openstack-discuss as well as RDO User list. I also included a reminder for the call for topics and looking at the ethepad we have 1 more 13:07:30 <mihalis68> for the program i did NOT send out a deadline for people to register nor to vote (+1) topics 13:07:39 <mihalis68> I was still a bit sick last week but good now 13:07:56 <spotz> Yah I didn't give deadlines just hey you can still add topics 13:08:28 <mihalis68> how about we just ask people to suggest and vote by end of next week? 13:08:38 <spotz> So NilsMagnus[m] that's kind of tickets first:) 13:09:07 <mihalis68> I had to get a new amex corp card else I can't buy tickets nor travel on business and yep got that done, phew. I can now ask to sponsor breakfast using it 13:09:33 <emccormick> We can let the session list simmer. We don't have to print agendas or anything 13:10:00 <emccormick> If it's still not populated 13:10:04 <mihalis68> I think the concern expressed last week was to have some +1 topics to use as marketing to those not decided on coming 13:10:06 <mihalis68> who might 13:10:19 <spotz> mihalis68: Once you have permission send me a logo and I'll have allison add it to the registration page 13:10:21 <mihalis68> which is reasonable 13:10:53 <emccormick> I also say that you don't have to buy a ticket to suggest topics. Sometimes we get ideas from folks who can't go 13:10:56 <mihalis68> they are extremely fussy about use of Bloomberg logo per se. If we can do it just the name of the company in normal font would be easiest 13:11:52 <spotz> We can ask 13:12:15 <mihalis68> we have to be a little careful with topics though. A single-person topic can be an issue. I recall one session in a PTG where we hadn't really vetted it and it seemed to be a misunderstanding of what an ops meetup topic should be 13:12:19 <spotz> emccormick: I hope no one has gotten that impression but maybe Chris's emails can stress that 13:12:49 <NilsMagnus[m]> Ok, should we then use the Eventbrite page as our "landing page" for people who might be interested in joining the event? I receive questions about the event all the time and had no answer where to point those folks to 13:13:04 <mihalis68> I should be able to transplant the most popular topics from the last two meetups as proposed if they are not there and then share some of the discussions those last two times 13:13:18 <NilsMagnus[m]> Do we have edit rights for the description? 13:13:41 <mihalis68> I don't think we should meddle with the eventbrite page personally. We can have any number of etherpads 13:13:55 <mihalis68> there's a planning one for this event, we can make a Q&A section 13:14:15 <emccormick> +1 13:14:18 <NilsMagnus[m]> yeah, the only thing I'd like to change is to add a link to an authoritative etherpad 13:14:29 <mihalis68> the eventbrite page is a little sensitive since it links to a system taking money and getting personal info 13:14:56 <mihalis68> for now the planning etherpad is as authoritative as it ges 13:14:58 <mihalis68> gets 13:15:40 <NilsMagnus[m]> So people keep asking me every other day: *) are there topics planned? *) where can I add new topics? *) may I vote? *) how do I get there? *) etc.pp. 13:16:02 <NilsMagnus[m]> I know where to find this info, but they don't 13:16:08 <spotz> We can ask to get a link added, maybe we make a new clean etherpad for a FAQ? 13:16:23 <spotz> We can link to the messier ones but give a better first impression 13:16:35 <mihalis68> ok I'll do an email today explaining the process and then point to it from the twitter notifications account 13:16:46 <NilsMagnus[m]> Fine with me, but let's try not to confuse people 13:17:30 <mihalis68> are these colleagues of yours? 13:17:34 <mihalis68> new to ops meetups? 13:17:37 <NilsMagnus[m]> most people I spoke to don't use Twitter for such matters (and they're even decreasing after recent news) 13:17:41 <emccormick> If you do a more sanitary info etherpad just put the link to the session ethepad right at the top 13:18:03 <emccormick> We have a tendency to lose ourselves in a spaghetti of etherpads 13:18:24 <mihalis68> well the official communications channel used to be the mailing list, but we were getting absolutely zero responses. ZERO 13:18:30 <mihalis68> the twitter account does a lot better than that 13:18:53 <spotz> Yeah that's why I was thinking of a clean one then a link to the PTG one for the topics vs adding more info there 13:19:18 <mihalis68> "clean" is the same as empty, sorry, it's not a goal of mine 13:19:52 <emccormick> Are we on the opeminfra events page yet? 13:19:59 <mihalis68> this was a very successful event https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/LON-2020-OPS-TOPICS 13:20:19 <spotz> No more of a this is the faq, we answer the questions that have been coming up and link to the PTG one for the topics vs having folks scroll through the PTG one 13:20:55 <mihalis68> FAQ stuff could go here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups 13:21:10 <NilsMagnus[m]> I cleaned up the PTG pad last week and I consider 90% of all information in there to be essential for potential attendees 13:21:12 <spotz> Oh perfect! 13:22:14 <mihalis68> I haven't seen the PTG pad. Were you responding to me spotz? 13:22:22 <NilsMagnus[m]> Is there a reason the Ops Meetup planning takes place on a PTG pad? That confused me and several colleagues 13:22:23 <spotz> mihalis68: Yeah 13:22:34 <spotz> I didn't think of the wiki 13:22:55 <spotz> NilsMagnus[m]: Because were were adding topics during the PTG 13:22:55 <mihalis68> I honestly am not following. We just use openstack etherpads 13:23:24 <NilsMagnus[m]> Is it okay to migrate it now back to the OMU-pad? 13:23:44 <mihalis68> can you please explain. I don't understand "PTG pag" nor "OMU-pad" 13:23:52 <emccormick> Maybe transfer content to something labeled ops meetup? 13:23:55 <spotz> Sure though we'll need to keep an eye on it for any future topics and migrate them as well 13:24:18 <mihalis68> is OMU "ops meet up?" 13:24:20 <NilsMagnus[m]> PTG-Pad: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/april2022-ptg-openstack-ops (this has currently the most recent, up-to-date-infromation) 13:24:45 <emccormick> mihalis68: we made the original lad 13:25:00 <emccormick> Pad during the meeting at PTG 13:25:04 <NilsMagnus[m]> OMU-pad: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/ops-meetup-berlin-2022-planning (original planning pad, now with outdated data) 13:25:09 <emccormick> You had COVID 13:25:27 <mihalis68> yeah I have no idea about this. Now I see it's a mess. 13:25:49 <spotz> <- not the most organized 13:25:58 <emccormick> Let's get it all on the non-PTG one 13:26:10 <mihalis68> agreed 13:26:15 <NilsMagnus[m]> My offer: I transfer all OMU2022-related stuff to the original one and delete the stuff in the PTG pag (leaving a link) 13:26:30 <NilsMagnus[m]> emccormick: Thank You! 13:26:31 <mihalis68> sounds good 13:26:40 <emccormick> +1 13:26:43 <mihalis68> erik you went to ptg (virtually)? 13:26:59 <emccormick> Just that one session 13:27:12 <emccormick> And got knocked off half way through 13:27:52 <emccormick> Was doing it from post-hailstorm warzone and lost internet 😉 13:28:30 <mihalis68> ok so if Nils consolidates I'll volunteer the following: link to the one true planning etherpad from the openstack wiki (linked above) and update it to say the planned events mentioned at the top never happened because of covid and clarify on mailing list and via twitter 13:28:37 <mihalis68> I do have edit priv on that wiki 13:28:58 <mihalis68> (e.g. vancouver, south korea) 13:29:02 <emccormick> I have a phone meeting starting in 1 minute. Will try to keep following. 13:29:16 <mihalis68> nils want to ping me when done? mihalis68@gmail.com 13:29:34 <NilsMagnus[m]> mihalis68: will do 13:29:49 <mihalis68> excellent thanks. in retrospect so much more alive now than for the past many weeks 13:29:54 <mihalis68> i am, I mean 13:30:18 <emccormick> Thought that was directed at me 😁 13:30:49 <mihalis68> maybe a topic should be how to reach operators. Twitter has been better than mailing list, but I share the concern about twitter now 13:31:01 <mihalis68> there's movements to jump to mastodon or counter.social 13:31:49 <NilsMagnus[m]> The more channels, the better. I'd just not put all eggs into one single basket (or how do you say that?) 13:32:19 <emccormick> We did that a few years ago and that's how we started tweeting. Good time for a refresh. 13:32:36 <spotz> I'd say make an account and post to both if worried. Everyone was jumping ship from GitHub to GitLab and how many did? Freenode was another story 13:34:35 <mihalis68> Yeah we don't solely rely on the twitter account, we still try to send stuff to the openstack-discuss mailing list also, but it honesstly feels like there are no operators on it 13:34:49 <mihalis68> I was right about freenode, though, eh? :) 13:35:15 <emccormick> Indeed 13:35:21 <mihalis68> #action nilsmagnus to consolidate topics into one etherpad 13:35:22 <spotz> I've sent everything to both but can't tell you where people have gotten it from. One reason I also sent to RDO's user list was to get more users 13:35:43 <mihalis68> #action mihalis68 to spruce up ops meetup wiki and link to the consolidated planning etherpad 13:36:19 <mihalis68> #mihalis68 to notify the community (via twitter and email) that the planning pad is consolidated and has a FAQ and the event tickets are available (as a reminder) 13:36:31 <mihalis68> #action mihalis68 to notify the community (via twitter and email) that the planning pad is consolidated and has a FAQ and the event tickets are available (as a reminder) 13:37:02 <mihalis68> #action mihalis68 to enquire with employer about sponsoring the even breakfast 13:37:46 <mihalis68> does that cover agreed actions so far? 13:38:09 <spotz> I think so from today's discussions 13:39:26 <mihalis68> by the way, I still have a stash of ops meetups stickers from berlin 2018 13:39:29 <mihalis68> somewhere 13:39:38 <emccormick> Action yourself to buy a plane ticket 13:39:39 <mihalis68> will be ironic or something to bring them back to berlin 13:39:45 <mihalis68> be quiet you 13:39:49 <mihalis68> :) 13:40:04 <spotz> And a hotel, I've noticed the prices going up 13:40:11 <mihalis68> yep it's a fair point 13:40:59 <mihalis68> #topic any other business 13:41:06 <spotz> NilsMagnus[m]: What food are you ordering for the board meeting? 13:41:19 <spotz> I know it's the same place but curious 13:42:03 <mihalis68> given that erik is in a meeting, maybe we should wrap up for now? I am also on-call all this week 13:42:13 <spotz> ok 13:42:30 <mihalis68> I've got plenty to do and finally have some energy back to do it 13:43:05 <mihalis68> not against a quick check-in at other times of the week when we have progress (working from home all week) 13:43:17 <mihalis68> anything else from you nils? 13:43:24 <spotz> I'm usually about just ping 13:43:55 <mihalis68> suspect he's looking elsewhere now too. 13:44:07 <mihalis68> ok thanks all, i'm finallt getting excited about this now! 13:44:16 <mihalis68> #endmeeting