14:00:18 <fifieldt> #startmeeting Ops Meetups Team 14:00:19 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Sep 20 14:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:21 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:23 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetups_team' 14:00:25 <fifieldt> start on time, finish early :) 14:00:43 <fifieldt> Hello all, and welcome to )ps Meetups Team meeting :) NB: If you're new, or just idling in the channel, be sure to have read: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team for background. Check out our agenda items at: # link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team As always: please write your name down on the agenda etherpad as a way of introduction, since we're a new crew. Secondly, if there's so 14:00:55 <fifieldt> please add it to that same etherpad. 14:01:04 <fifieldt> yay for line breaks 14:01:15 <fifieldt> #topic last meetings 14:01:30 <fifieldt> Apologies - I wasn't able to make it to the last two meetings 14:01:31 <fifieldt> any news to share? 14:01:52 <fifieldt> :)( 14:02:47 <dc_mattj> we appointed VW benevolent dictator while you were away 14:03:01 <fifieldt> agenda needs love: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:03:12 <fifieldt2> looks like my other client died 14:03:18 <fifieldt2> where are we at? 14:03:45 <VW> sent out the etherpad this morning 14:03:49 <VW> I did have a question fifieldt2 14:03:51 <shintaro> we wanted to ask fifield for the room assignment details for BCN in docs spreadsheet 14:03:56 <fifieldt2> ok 14:04:00 <fifieldt2> what was the question? 14:04:03 <VW> I know they did a call to the WG leaders for submissions 14:04:19 <VW> is there going to be a larger call to submit via the tool, or will we rely on ehterpad from here 14:04:32 <fifieldt2> The rooms we have on the spreadsheet are ours to use as we see fit 14:04:44 * fifieldt2 waves at mihalis68 14:04:52 <mihalis68> good morning, sorry I'm late 14:04:56 <mihalis68> *waves* 14:05:17 <fifieldt2> does that make sense VW, shintaro ? 14:05:31 <dc_mattj> just realised I had an action, which I've just done, to reach out on the mailing list and beg for more volunteers ;) 14:05:34 <VW> yeah - rooms make sense 14:05:35 <shintaro> all rooms for Wed and Fri as well? 14:06:03 <fifieldt2> sorry, good point 14:06:06 <fifieldt2> x-proj isn't us 14:06:08 <VW> just wasn't sure if I should direct general session ideas to the ehterpad and working group ideas to the submission tool or what 14:06:14 <fifieldt2> that's just to show where the cross-project sessions are happening 14:06:29 <fifieldt2> anything marked Ops Fishbowl 14:06:34 <fifieldt2> or Ops Work 14:06:36 <fifieldt2> is ours 14:06:38 <fifieldt2> to assign 14:06:55 <fifieldt2> the Friday room will be a half day room, laid out in fishbowl format for the "informal" meetup 14:06:58 <fifieldt2> as per Tokyo tradition 14:07:05 <fifieldt2> but I don't know specifically which room that is yet 14:07:12 <fifieldt2> whereas the Tuesday rooms are 100% locked in 14:07:55 <fifieldt2> all clear? 14:08:03 <VW> clear as mud :P 14:08:07 <dc_mattj> lol 14:08:09 <shintaro> ok thanks. so we have all green and purple rooms on Tue and Fri. clear. 14:08:23 <fifieldt2> We can remove the x-proj stuff to make it cleared if you want 14:08:39 <fifieldt2> shintaro: correct 14:09:00 <VW> will the x-proj be the dev(and ops) discussing things like Nova, Neutron, etc? 14:09:16 <fifieldt2> tat was just there for planning 14:09:22 <VW> oh - ok 14:09:26 <fifieldt2> yes 14:09:37 <VW> was going to say, it might be nice to actually fill those in as they are decided 14:09:49 <VW> then Ops folks can see how Ops sessions they are interested in line up with Dev sessions 14:09:49 <VW> etc 14:09:50 <fifieldt2> cross project issues 14:09:51 <VW> just a though 14:09:53 <VW> thought 14:10:37 <fifieldt2> it's clear this is causing confusion - lets nuke them for now? 14:11:03 <VW> ok 14:13:19 <VW> so fifieldt2 is having some irc issues 14:13:29 <VW> hopefully he is back 14:13:33 <VW> but if not, we'll try to drive ahead 14:13:48 <fifieldt2_> annoying 14:13:50 <fifieldt2_> so 14:13:53 <fifieldt2_> what I was trying to say is 14:14:03 <fifieldt2_> not all cross project sessions are necessarily relevant to ops 14:14:09 <fifieldt2_> so let's remove them from the sheet for now 14:14:09 <VW> agreed 14:14:13 <VW> cool 14:14:14 <fifieldt2_> until we know what they are 14:14:15 <fifieldt2_> ok 14:14:18 <mihalis68> my connection is stable but no scroll back from before I joined. I think I need to get my employer to pay for better IRCCLoud access 14:14:18 <fifieldt2_> next up is ... ? 14:15:22 <VW> "lightning talks" 14:15:33 <VW> you have them in the Ops War stories track on the etherpad 14:15:45 <VW> we also talked about "open mic" instead 14:15:48 <fifieldt2_> they are indeed in the Ops War Stories track 14:15:50 <VW> but that's been a while and I forget 14:15:52 <mihalis68> I recall a couple of times people saying drop lightning talks in favor of open mic 14:15:53 <mihalis68> yeah 14:16:08 <fifieldt2_> that was certainly the case at NYC 14:16:09 <serverascode> open mic sounds interesting 14:16:14 <fifieldt2_> however, does it work in the summit context? 14:16:36 <shintaro> Ops War stories is in the general session and not OpsMeetup, right? 14:16:48 <fifieldt2_> correct, but we are organising 2 slots of it 14:16:53 <VW> cool 14:16:59 <dc_mattj> so isn't open mic basically what we do already in the big final day session at Austin 14:17:05 <VW> then I personally say we roll with that and figure out open mic for next mid-cycle 14:17:10 <fifieldt2_> which is for lightning talks 14:17:16 <VW> we have a lot we are still figuring out right now 14:17:17 <fifieldt2_> my opinion is that it might be better to organise them a little more ( eg confirming the speakers :) ) rather than less 14:17:37 <fifieldt2_> will work better 14:17:37 <fifieldt2_> since it;s a wider audience 14:18:13 <mihalis68> maybe have a few confirmed people in the lightning talk style but try to leave a bit at the end for anyone who wants to step up? 14:18:26 <fifieldt2_> not our usual "heavily involved" ops crew 14:18:27 <dc_mattj> ah I see 14:18:31 <mihalis68> our supply of lightning talkers did not fill the time slot anyway 14:18:48 <dc_mattj> ignore me then, we're talking open mic in terms of still a lightning talk but without a schedule 14:19:34 <mihalis68> how many of the team are here today? 14:20:43 <VW> Ok folks - let's put lightning talks to the side 14:21:01 <VW> I'll make a "dictator" call for now. If they are solved for BCN as part of war stories, that's good 14:21:10 <VW> we may need to spend a little time working on the vetting, etc 14:21:29 <VW> we'll pic open mic back up for the next mid-cycle 14:21:49 <fifieldt-7> (apologies - freenode has determined that my IPv4 address is bad and is banning it, and the latency of the web client causes timeouts every few minutes. IPv6 is down at the moment due to me) 14:21:51 <mihalis68> works for me, the different mix of people point is important 14:22:16 <VW> I would agree 14:22:32 <VW> I just don't want to over complicate our lives right now 14:22:32 <dc_mattj> +1 14:23:19 <fifieldt-7> so, "lightning talks" or "architecture show and tell" as the titie? 14:23:21 <fifieldt-7> title* 14:23:53 <mihalis68> personally I liked the freedom of lightning talks, allows for the unexpected 14:24:08 <shintaro> +1 for LT 14:24:21 <dc_mattj> although architecture show and tell might encourage more participants as it's a bit more narrow 14:24:31 <dc_mattj> narrow could also be a bad thing though 14:24:50 <VW> +1 here to 14:25:36 <dc_mattj> I'll go with the consensus then ;) 14:25:37 <mihalis68> Seems we have consensus on we will have curated lightning talks session 14:26:02 <VW> excellent 14:26:24 <VW> fifieldt-7 you here still? 14:26:31 <med_> sorry I wasn't here. 14:26:51 <med_> I thought lightning talks were going to be called "Open Mic" 14:27:04 <med_> but name is not terribly important. 14:27:07 <mihalis68> so tom pointed out that for BCN the mix of people is quite diff 14:27:10 <mihalis68> and that resonated 14:27:12 <med_> truedat 14:27:15 <med_> reading scrollback now. 14:27:17 <mihalis68> unfortunately Tom is suffering connection issues 14:27:26 <VW> yes 14:27:50 <VW> so, I'll try to follow up with him about who is going to curate those if they are a couple of sessions in a main summit track 14:27:55 <mihalis68> so specifically for BCN there appears to be consensus around it will be "lightning talks" with curated speakers 14:28:17 <med_> kk 14:28:23 <mihalis68> do you want to use the meetbot # commands and record that? 14:28:40 <fifieldt-7> yeah, normally we'd just have someone volunteer through the moderator process for those 14:28:42 * med_ assumed the meeting wasnearly over... 14:29:05 <med_> and I'm happy to volunteer to MC Lightning talks (and happy to let someone else as well.) 14:29:15 <fifieldt-7> but we don't have a lot of time before BCN 14:29:52 <VW> yep - a month a way 14:29:56 <VW> away even 14:30:02 <mihalis68> I think there is "curate" and then "MC" which are not the same thing 14:30:13 <mihalis68> curate is vet speakers and topics, right? 14:30:18 <med_> agreed, The curation is gatekeeping, MC is cat herding. 14:30:19 <mihalis68> and maybe drum up more if necessary 14:30:32 <mihalis68> I think you'd be good at either or both, don't get me wrong :) 14:31:00 <mihalis68> I could take on trying to find lightning talkers... would that help? 14:32:41 <mihalis68> Oh I see VW said he'd talk to tom about that. ok 14:32:41 <VW> ok - in the spirit of moving on... 14:32:59 <dc_mattj> +1, that's a single session and we have a whole agenda to fill ;) 14:33:32 <VW> #action VW reach out to fifieldt-7 to work on the best process for vetting and moderating lightning talks 14:33:44 <VW> #action VW include mihalis68 in said discussion 14:34:10 <VW> #topic BCN session planning 14:34:16 <dc_mattj> VW, can I make a suggestion re the session planning ? 14:34:22 <VW> always 14:34:28 <mihalis68> Thanks for the emails with the links, I see those 14:34:54 <dc_mattj> it strikes me the last few have been relatively similar, we could start with a default set and put that forward for additions/removals 14:35:01 <dc_mattj> which might be better than starting with a clean sheet 14:35:14 <VW> fair enough 14:35:22 <VW> can I call on you all to add some of those seed ideas 14:35:32 <VW> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meetup 14:35:32 <dc_mattj> yup 14:35:35 <mihalis68> did you also suggest this prior? I've heard the idea and I am in favor, especially if it's a month to bcn (cripes, really?) 14:35:36 <VW> I wanted to get it out today 14:35:41 <VW> so we can start point folks at it 14:35:42 <dc_mattj> yes, I suggested it last meeting 14:35:48 <mihalis68> yeah, +1 to that 14:36:22 <VW> sorry - last couple of weeks have been more nutty than expected, so i didn't have time to round you all up ahead of tie 14:36:23 <VW> time 14:36:23 <mihalis68> Do we have any star speakers? They were the easiest sessions to agree and place - sean dague for example 14:36:28 <VW> but we need the link out there 14:36:47 <VW> I'm not aware of any 14:36:51 <mihalis68> and to flip it, are there any topics people would like us to try to find star speakers for? 14:36:55 <dc_mattj> Nova 14:36:59 <dc_mattj> is always a good one 14:37:11 <dc_mattj> and applies to everyone 14:37:28 <VW> but here is what I'm thinking. We should plan on 2 weeks from now to look at the etherpad and try and set the schedule 14:37:33 <mihalis68> like we (Bloomberg) got canonical to talk about ubuntu packaging in particular, which they graciously agreed to 14:37:40 <VW> at least the general sessions 14:37:59 <mihalis68> "hey sean, you know that long talk you just did? We LOVED IT... " 14:38:16 <med_> and so would everyone else in the Ops Cmty 14:38:34 <mihalis68> does someone know sean personally? 14:38:34 <med_> we may have to involve more beer and chocolate or some other incentive. 14:38:41 <mihalis68> I did think it was very good and well received 14:39:16 <dc_mattj> so can I suggest we reach out to John Garrett 14:39:17 <dc_mattj> on Nova 14:39:31 <VW> Garrett or Garbutt 14:39:32 <dc_mattj> Garbut 14:39:37 <dc_mattj> damn auto-correct ;) 14:39:43 <VW> hee hee 14:39:48 <VW> I can do that 14:39:53 <VW> what do you want me to ask him 14:40:06 <VW> if he'd be willing to do a general session on Nova with Ops 14:40:14 <dc_mattj> maybe we could do a state of Nova talk, followed by a general Nova discussion session 14:40:19 <dc_mattj> which is what we did in Manchester 14:40:28 <VW> awesome 14:40:37 <VW> I'll ping him and try to have an answer by next meeting 14:40:41 <mihalis68> +1 sounds good 14:40:50 <VW> #action VW reach out to Garbutt about joining a session 14:41:06 <dc_mattj> I've brain dumped some stuff in the planning ether pad 14:41:14 <VW> see that - thanks dc_mattj 14:41:23 <VW> everyone else do the same 14:41:30 <VW> and then spread the word 14:41:41 <VW> hopefully, in two weeks, we can lock down a lot of the calendar 14:41:46 <mihalis68> are you being modest in not putting large deployments? :) 14:41:53 <dc_mattj> I'll also take an action to review the last couple of feedback sessions and see what there is in there to guide us in a basic set 14:42:02 <VW> well, that's where I was trying to ask fifieldt-7 some things 14:42:22 <VW> they actually reached out the the leaders of the more regular working groups/teams and had us submit requests through the talk tool 14:42:28 <VW> a week or two ago 14:42:30 <dc_mattj> can you give me a #action please VW 14:42:32 <mihalis68> I think people liked large deployments session and scaling but thought they should have been merged 14:42:41 <VW> so, I think that will drive a lot of the WG assignment first 14:42:50 <dc_mattj> Scaling is a good general session 14:43:01 <mihalis68> yeah 14:43:04 <dc_mattj> perhaps separate from the actual large deployments WG 14:43:10 <dc_mattj> which are supposed to be for actual work 14:43:12 <VW> #action dc_mattj review last few feedback sessions and report at next meeting 14:43:22 <mihalis68> I think of it as "stories around mistakes we may be about to make" since our scale is quite small in this context 14:43:23 <dc_mattj> ty 14:43:33 <dc_mattj> Ive added a scaling general session 14:43:56 <VW> yeah - for example, I asked for one session on Tuesday for LDT to plan which sessions we want members in 14:44:05 <dc_mattj> I'm also going to add another OSOps session to try and get more contributions 14:44:11 <VW> and submitted a second request for one of Friday (blank space) to review them all and plan work 14:44:18 <dc_mattj> the repos are still pretty poorly contributed to and there must be tons of stuff out there 14:45:08 <VW> There was also an email request about a Docs session in the Ops track 14:45:17 <mihalis68> dc_mattj what are you updating? the ether pad? I don't see general scaling 14:45:19 <VW> I've added it to the etherpad as a general session idea for now 14:45:20 <dc_mattj> is Scientific Working Group part of Ops or are they doing their own thing 14:45:33 <mihalis68> oh never mind, must be blind 14:45:42 <dc_mattj> lol was just about to tell you where it was 14:45:47 <VW> let's table specific WG's just now dc_mattj 14:45:51 <VW> let me find out what's up with the other process 14:45:58 <VW> we'll stay focused on general sessions 14:46:01 <dc_mattj> k 14:46:01 <mihalis68> so we are focusing on general sessions now> 14:46:09 <mihalis68> meant as ? 14:46:10 <VW> and probably pick up some WG/breakout ideas on the etherpad 14:46:19 <VW> for the most part mihalis68 14:46:32 <VW> was going to clear that up before the IRC gremlins took fifieldt away 14:46:47 <VW> so, will take that off line for now 14:47:03 <VW> in the meantime, get out and drum up some comments to the etherpad 14:47:04 <VW> :D 14:47:24 <dc_mattj> one last thing - would be good to get some stuff in there about the work the UX group have been doing with the ops community 14:47:30 <fifieldt> hi, I think I have a connection now 14:47:37 <fifieldt> what was the question VW? 14:47:39 <mihalis68> config management is on the ether pad, but was quite controversial in NYC 14:48:09 <mihalis68> tom and I put it in, but Melvin had to deal with a lot of "why is this here, please don't just ask us which tools we use" etc etc 14:48:25 <dc_mattj> I'm more interested in patterns, workflow etc. 14:48:32 <VW> when/how the working group submission we made via the tool would be handed off to this process 14:48:36 <fifieldt> plus, at the summits, puppet, ansible etc already have their own sessions 14:48:43 <dc_mattj> k 14:48:54 <VW> so we could schedule and then look for additional topics off the etherpad 14:49:04 <dc_mattj> I also added a CI/CD suggestion, which might be more targeted 14:49:11 <VW> OR, are we going to do a broader call for WG submissions via the tool, fifieldt 14:49:47 <mihalis68> which tool is that? I missed something unless it's just the googledoc 14:49:55 <fifieldt> oh, thought I answered that above VW 14:50:02 <fifieldt> we are in control of the rooms on the spreadsheet 14:50:15 <VW> ah - but we don't have the list of submissions :D 14:50:38 <fifieldt> don't we? 14:50:45 <fifieldt> I thought that was what our etherpad was for :) 14:51:16 * VW is confused 14:51:28 <VW> what was the thing that Erin sent out then 14:51:37 <fifieldt> that was for working groups 14:51:51 <fifieldt> much broader thing than you find in ops stuff 14:52:08 <fifieldt> those are in different rooms on different times 14:52:26 <fifieldt> it is confusing. 14:52:36 <fifieldt> but not in our control :) 14:53:07 <VW> so working groups/teams are not any part of this - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=803513477 14:53:35 <fifieldt> nothing on there is controlled by or related to the process Erin sent out 14:53:55 <VW> ok 14:54:37 <VW> apologies then, I thought the WG designation was one and the same between the two processes 14:55:18 <fifieldt> rather confusing 14:56:08 <VW> indeed :\ 14:56:31 <mihalis68> I'm confused too 14:56:59 <VW> ok - we are almost out of time 14:57:17 <VW> so, it sounds like we need to do the following next week 14:57:24 <VW> 1. Check progress on etherpad 14:57:39 <VW> 2. See if Garbutt and/or others are willing to do a state of Nova 14:58:03 <VW> 3. See if we can unconfuse ourselves on WGs 14:58:08 <dc_mattj> 4. Profit ! 14:58:15 <VW> 4. Talk a little about next midcycle 14:58:18 <VW> the profit 14:58:20 <mihalis68> 5. buy tom new working IP address 14:58:27 <VW> did I miss anything fifieldt 14:58:32 <fifieldt> sounds good to me 14:58:44 <mihalis68> still could do with more participation in this team I would say 14:58:54 <fifieldt> 'also, if anyone knows a good TSP v6 client for xenial I'd be greatful - gogoc package no longer in there 14:58:57 <fifieldt> ;) 14:58:57 <mihalis68> i.e. more people 14:59:04 <fifieldt> + 14:59:05 <fifieldt> 1 14:59:19 <dc_mattj> both VW and I just posted to the ops list about that 14:59:32 <fifieldt> someone send a tweet and I can RT or something 14:59:32 <mihalis68> yeah 14:59:35 <serverascode> I don't really have much to say, but I will be in BCN and I am willing to take on whatever help y'all need 14:59:36 <mihalis68> I will 14:59:40 <med_> and I joined the session thanks to the email propmt... 14:59:50 <med_> I still didn't really participate but moral support. 15:00:11 <mihalis68> that helps too 15:00:23 <mihalis68> time 15:00:27 <VW> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team roughed out already for next week based on above 15:00:41 <fifieldt> w00t 15:01:15 <med_> thanks VW, Tom, Mihalis68 15:01:38 <mihalis68> vw I think you have to end meeting 15:01:38 <fifieldt> time to #endmeeting ? 15:01:41 <mihalis68> yeah 15:01:43 <VW> yep 15:01:47 <dc_mattj> speak next week all 15:01:52 <mihalis68> TTFN 15:01:55 <fifieldt> #endmeeting