14:02:25 #startmeeting Ops Meetups Team 14:02:25 Meeting started Tue Oct 11 14:02:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02:27 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:02:29 The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetups_team' 14:02:32 Hello all, and welcome to the Ops Meetups Team meeting :) 14:02:35 NB: If you're new, or just idling in the channel, be sure to have read: 14:02:38 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team 14:02:39 Check out our agenda items at: 14:02:39 # link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:02:41 for background. 14:02:50 As always: please write your name down on the agenda etherpad as a way of introduction. 14:02:53 Secondly, if there's something else burning to put on the agenda, please add it to that sam2e etherpad. 14:02:56 #topic Review of action items from the previous meeting 14:03:01 1. fifieldt to write-uip cheddar -- deferred until post-summit, since we don't need it immediately 14:03:10 2. 14:03:10 mihalis68 to etherpad reply email something something 14:03:32 ah yes, thought of that in the middle of the night. Sorry, no progress. Will ether pad it today 14:03:37 no worries 14:03:50 unless we want to add it to a more official web page? I don't have the link but the official page for this team? 14:03:53 #action mihalis68 to followup on mid-cycle proposal email with a how to make forward 14:03:59 we can use the wiki? 14:04:16 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team <-- 14:04:17 I think of ether pads as one-offs and this feels a bit more permanent 14:04:26 yes thank you 14:04:29 right, cool 14:04:37 who agrees the call for hosting should live there? 14:04:53 and emails and tweets about asking for proposals can reference it? 14:05:29 yep 14:05:30 +1 14:05:41 +1 14:05:44 sounds reasonable 14:05:45 alright. Will do it today and email the operators list with an announcement. thanks 14:05:49 cheers 14:05:56 ether pads for individual meet ups obviously 14:06:15 so the other action item that wasn't listed as an action item was that I was supposed to figure how how to do the moderation thing 14:06:20 which is a nice segway into 14:06:24 #topic BCN meetup planning 14:06:35 We are 12 days out 14:06:40 T-12 14:06:45 holy ... 14:06:51 did everyone see the email I sent to the moderator voluntters? 14:07:17 I guess I didn't volunteer yet so no... 14:07:20 down with wiki for call for hosting 14:07:32 hmm, med, you were on my list 14:07:36 * med_ is supposed to put his name next to something 14:07:41 * fifieldt forwards 14:07:46 yep - saw the email 14:07:51 Ah, Iwa slooking in my o-o list 14:07:57 yep, have the moderators 14:08:00 probably 2 now 14:08:28 I saw it and put some content in the logging session 14:08:29 hadn't read it sadly 14:08:40 thank you very much mperazol 14:09:03 how many sessions are still without moderators? I didn't open every one 14:09:15 the sad bit is ... most of them :( 14:09:21 the email didn't have the desired affect 14:09:23 I saw the email but haven't figured out the session I could handle 14:09:56 hmmm, I wonder if other peope are at that stage? 14:10:14 Just haven't signed up yet, nothing blocking me 14:10:21 me as well 14:10:28 for specific sessions that is 14:10:38 I have imposter syndrome.. me moderate? That's unpossible 14:10:51 maybe one of you could reply after having selected a session to start the dominos? 14:11:21 you mean discuss moderators via email? Or here? 14:11:22 If it helps mihalis68 you can think of it as holding court or refereeing. 14:11:30 also - for reference, here is your bookmark link for the agenda: 14:11:34 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Ops+Summit%3A 14:11:43 I have some affinity to every topic listed on the hardware one 14:11:44 but I feel certain there are better peopel 14:11:51 more suited I mean more qualified 14:12:05 the moderator shouldn't be the expert (or not the most-expert) on the topic. You want the experts volleying ideas 14:12:28 VW, btw, did you confirm with John Garbutt ? 14:12:30 and the moderator should "elect" "nominate" someone to take notes on the etherpad so he/she can keep juggling and moving the convo along 14:12:44 +1 masive wisdom from med 14:12:50 ok then I'll volunteer for hardware session 14:13:10 no, I'll circle back with him fifieldt. Apologies, but what did we figure out about Nova sessuion schedule versus or plan for that session in Ops land? 14:13:19 sorry - I coudn't pay close attention last week 14:13:37 yes, VW 14:13:43 no nova sessions at all during our fishbowls 14:14:09 #action VW to confirm nova sessio moderator or ask for help 14:14:42 I wasn't sure if fifieldt meant reply here to start dominos or by email after 14:14:55 I think he meant email 14:14:56 but if anyone else is like me after this IRC work captures me for hours, days... 14:14:58 ok 14:15:09 I put my name down on one already, but I need to figure out the nova bit first since it overlaps 14:15:11 if we could flush out some mods here it might help kickstart 14:15:23 yeah, email , like "I just signed up and it was awesome!!!!11111" 14:15:52 well, jlk might sign up for something ;) 14:16:30 alternative option - someone could go through the list of moderator voluntters and assign them to sessions :) 14:16:35 then email that out 14:17:16 I feel that people volunteering works much better, but I agree the pace is too slow. That perhaps should be used for the long tail after our emails later? 14:17:32 ok 14:18:02 yeah, I think it might be better too if we "propose" assignments and then got confirmation... 14:18:05 data: so far we have only 2 sessions with moderators 14:18:19 data: normally we cancel sessions without moderators :) 14:18:41 to sign-up just put name on ether pad? Google doc? both? which is definitive? 14:18:48 what's usually the deadline for cancellation if no moderators show up? 14:18:52 The etherpad for the session 14:18:57 stevemar: link me again 14:19:02 mperazol: normally do it a week out 14:19:16 * med_ snagged Scaling 14:19:35 mriedem: any idea whats going on in the nova tests here? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384501/ -- i rechecked for now i think its a timeout 14:19:56 I just signed up for hardware, imposter syndrome be damned 14:20:06 hi! 14:20:11 it's yankcrime ! 14:20:15 * yankcrime waves 14:20:20 i've been well out of it all recently, crazy busy 14:20:21 BUT 14:20:30 also: normally send the call for moderators to the ops ML 14:20:30 i've just stuck my name down to volunteer for some sessions 14:20:35 thanks yankcrime !!! 14:20:36 i suggested the security stuff so i'm happy to do that 14:20:56 * VW has intro to WG and Public Cloud sessions 14:21:00 even though i'm absolutely not a security expert by even the remotest stretch of anyone's imagination 14:21:18 yankcrime: according to med, it's the job of the moderators to evoke the experts to talk :D 14:21:19 you don't have to be, yankcrime - just get the ones who are in the room to talk ;) 14:21:22 everyone just told me the moderator just facilitates the experts exchanging the info 14:21:29 which is how I volunteered :) 14:21:40 +100 14:21:40 stevemar: yep, osic8 was having network issues earlier, recheck should work now 14:21:54 serverascode: are you moderating telco/nfv? 14:22:08 we need rewards... Tom buys every moderator a beer, and then every moderator returns the favor. 14:22:17 well, that appears to be the system after NYC :) 14:22:29 mihalis68: if beers are needed, they are certainly available :) 14:22:36 I owe you all beers aleady 14:22:41 please cash them in in BCN :) 14:23:08 maybe we can run through open slots here? Unless there's more pressing biz? 14:23:11 i hear what people are saying about moderators not being experts, but obviously it helps if they're reasonably versed in a particular subject area in case there's gaps / silence 14:23:26 migration to openstack? volunteer? 14:23:31 mihalis68: I "bolded" the sessions with moderators on the google sheet for convenicnce: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=803513477 14:23:41 I know stuff about hardware but not a notable expert. I think that's the level 14:23:55 I mean we deploy some hundreds machine converged, ceph, HA, leaf spine etc 14:24:08 maybe I can do telco/nfv if serverascode is not available 14:25:09 I suggest people who will moderate unless someone better turns up put their name down and say this via email 14:25:30 Is curtis here? 14:25:36 serverascode I mean :) 14:28:45 point of order question - what's the difference in the telco/NFV session on our schedule versus the working group session on Wed? 14:29:03 I see serverascode already got his name on the telcom/NFV session etherpad 14:30:37 VW, my gues was similar to LDT's two sessions - one for early week, one for later week 14:30:40 or something 14:30:46 shintaro: I may have written that in myself 14:30:54 oh - makes sense 14:30:59 LDT only was one though :P 14:31:02 ok, we are half way through the time of this meeting. 14:31:10 thank you so much for the rapid progress with the moderators 14:31:20 fifieldt ok I will put mine alongside 14:31:25 since it didn't look like there were voluntters to email the "call fior mods" to the ops ML, I can do that :) 14:31:28 thanks shintaro ! 14:31:30 * fifieldt feels safe 14:31:56 Are there other items related to Barcelona that people would like to discuss? 14:32:55 if not, two shout-outs: 14:32:57 is there a night we get together socially? 14:32:57 before we cancel any sessions I think we should hold until next Tue's meeting 14:32:58 johnthetubaguy confirmed, fifieldt and co 14:32:59 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/17241/ops-informal-meetup 14:33:11 ^^ this is the informal meetup, the session with no agenda on Friday 14:33:15 it's normally pretty good 14:33:20 cheers VW! 14:33:22 * yankcrime adds to calendar 14:33:26 mperazol: +1 14:33:38 are the other rooms available as well on Friday, fifieldt 14:33:42 oh darn. my flight is first thing friday. There wasn't much other choice direct back to NYC 14:33:45 if we need to have any adhoc follow ups 14:33:49 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/17374/community-awards-and-feedback-session 14:33:59 ^^ this is the contributor awards and feedback session 14:34:18 so if the AC was too cold, and you didn't try and get it fixed during the week for some reason, you can complain here 14:34:27 mihalis68: that sounds nice! 14:34:42 VW: friday is packed 14:35:01 lunch room only basically 14:35:10 because the desing summit is still going strong into friday this time 14:35:12 kind of bummed the ops session is afternoon Friday... kind of spoils kicking off the weekend early 14:35:12 I am required at home by the friday night 14:35:20 agreed, med_ 14:35:22 c'est la vie 14:35:30 New summit, new rules. 14:35:33 ah - got it 14:35:34 unfortunately there were just no rooms for us on Fri modrning 14:35:38 nod 14:35:45 google doc doesn't reflect design summit stuff 14:35:59 in order to get dedicated time just for us on the tuesday 14:36:11 we pushed the entire design summit back a quarter of a day 14:36:20 fair enough 14:36:24 was the trade off, sadly 14:36:24 we can roll with it 14:36:31 things change again next go round 14:36:44 indeed 14:37:00 ok, so, wghere are we at topic wise at the moment 14:37:06 shintaro always has good ideas 14:37:18 or VW, or med_ , ? 14:37:30 (clarity - topic-wise for this meeting) 14:37:53 I think BCN is in good shape. A little more work to do 14:37:56 #action fifieldt to email the call for modes to the ops ML 14:38:00 can we talk about the next mid-cycle 14:38:04 and we're soliciting that via email. 14:38:19 would love to get to BCN with an idea of where it is 14:38:26 #topic next midcycle 14:38:29 where will mid-cycle be? defined already? 14:38:33 that would be OUTSTANDING VW 14:38:48 we only know europe or apac so far IIRC 14:38:55 so EU? or AP? 14:38:59 jinx 14:39:23 have we had volunteers raise their hands yet? 14:39:24 I think the process now is see if there are any volunteer hosts 14:39:31 I have not heard of any 14:39:42 but they might also contact tom or someone else directly 14:40:05 I am planning to raise my hand for Tokyo 14:40:12 I'll update the above-linked Ops Meetups wiki with the call for sponsors today immediately after this and then ping the list again with an invite to hosts 14:40:22 and I think there was one from Milan? 14:40:54 these are offers with venue details and dates? 14:41:21 newbie question: this is not co-located with design mid-cycle? 14:41:30 no, it's not 14:42:15 traditionally, these have been much more focused on getting operators engaged in the community and sharing issues/ideas/best practices 14:42:33 ok, makes sense 14:42:44 we use the summits as a chance to do more work and have OPs in the rooms with devs, etc 14:42:51 at least that's the theory ;) 14:42:54 if anyone has details of an offer to host in Milan can they share? 14:44:20 Is there anyone here who would like to moderate the Ceph session? 14:44:27 because I could do that too 14:44:55 did we lose fifieldt? 14:44:59 I have the contact details for the milano meet 14:45:07 I'm ehre, just watching 14:45:08 :) 14:45:31 cool 14:45:32 I have a personal interest in the milan idea, since I am 100% certain that my wife will insist on coming too if I attend that one 14:45:37 so dates would be good 14:45:55 yeah, but as a counter point, the most recent summit to it will have been in Europe 14:46:17 do we want to consider using the opportunity to spred out further geographically 14:46:25 IIRC the plan was to get offers for the next two midcycles 14:46:29 then have a chat :) 14:46:34 it is supposed to oppose the next summit i.e. Boston I believe 14:46:40 i.e. "be far from" 14:46:41 yeah 14:46:52 I signed up for Ceph 14:46:58 in for a penny, in for a pound 14:47:04 but agreed with fifieldt - sounds like we have a couple of offers for the next one 14:47:12 Join the moderators club! 14:47:16 You can do it! 14:47:17 do we have any potentials for august 14:47:55 I have to say operators mid-cycle in tokyo next seems like a good idea too, though 14:48:12 I might not be able to make that one but getting back to Japan is good for the travel balancing idea 14:48:24 also, related to planning both of the next ones, we never scheduled ourselves a session at BCN :O 14:48:24 I suspect for non NA, Charter will have much less participation (but I hope we at least send one or two) 14:48:31 (north america) 14:48:45 ah a midops planning session at BCN 14:48:56 we can cover it fri afternoon with whoever is around 14:49:00 at least a chance for the ops meetup team to meet 14:49:01 in person 14:49:03 :D 14:49:07 sorry I got distracted here at AnsibleFest. I'm going to sign up to moderate some things for summit 14:50:09 maybe drinks? :) 14:50:15 (10 minute warning) 14:50:21 drinks is good 14:50:27 * VW may have to pack an extra liver 14:50:33 ok, so it sounds like we've conclucded to wait for the responses to talk further 14:50:40 which might happen by next week 14:50:42 I'll up for it too when I meet you guys at bcn 14:50:45 indeed 14:51:00 I have to shop for power adapters AND an extra liver. Ok then... 14:51:02 should we claim one of the unused spots Tuesday afternoon on the scheudle for ops meetup team 14:51:11 * med_ has zero int'l facilities to offer but will work on August. 14:51:13 yes please 14:51:25 could be a good opportunity to recruit new people 14:51:29 yep 14:51:35 * VW updates google doc 14:52:01 please also make an etherpad with a session description, then I will add it to the live schedule 14:52:14 +1 14:52:16 5:55 on Tuesday 14:52:17 #action VW to schedule ops meetups team meet at BCN 14:52:17 For the Milan proposal, zioproto said he is exchanging email with people in enter.it. This is irc log from 27 Sep 14:52:35 sorry that it's at the end of the day, but this lets us get to as many others as we can 14:53:05 np 14:53:54 is the milan proposal adjacent to some related convention at all? 14:54:01 fifieldt: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meeup-team 14:54:07 need to add a description and such 14:54:13 but that should get you what you need 14:54:53 typo alert. meeup 14:55:18 cheers! 14:55:21 heh, there was content on that one, I was confused 14:55:22 ok, 5 minutes left 14:55:23 oh. 14:55:24 uh 14:55:34 jlk: mm? 14:55:45 this one? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meetup 14:55:51 disregard. 14:55:55 yessir 14:56:01 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meeup-team <-- typo? 14:56:07 doh 14:56:09 thanks mihalis68 14:56:12 fixing 14:56:13 more like muppet speak 14:56:18 Tom if you do get anywhere re: cheddar I hereby vow to try and help clean this up 14:56:22 this workflow 14:56:23 dr. bunsen honeydew 14:56:34 cheers mate! 14:56:39 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meetup-team 14:56:56 give me an actin to make it pretty fifieldt 14:57:04 but for now, I have to run to another meeting 14:57:04 #action VW make it pretty 14:57:11 we're about done here, anyway 14:57:21 any closing thoughts on things we need to do until next week? 14:57:31 oh I see the typo ether pad was the team one springing into life 14:57:34 purify your livers now. 14:57:44 such confuse. very brow wrinkle. wo 14:57:46 wow 14:57:46 #action purify your livers now 14:58:02 +1 14:58:13 I grew up in Britain where the belief is you need to practice, keep up your drinking strength 14:58:29 ah, good point 14:58:47 excellent 14:58:54 well it seesm we're at our end 14:59:09 thank you so very much 14:59:12 on a personal note I'm around most of the monday 14:59:20 in case lunch is doable with anyone here 14:59:24 at BCN I mean 14:59:26 please do claim those drinks I owe you, whenever you see me (or provide a link to an online store nearby you) 14:59:43 confused, you bought them all at NYC finishing do 15:00:05 hope your clouds are happy this $TIMEOFDAY 15:00:08 #endmeeting