16:00:30 #startmeeting oslo 16:00:30 our agenda: 16:00:30 Meeting started Mon Mar 23 16:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:32 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo 16:00:34 The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' 16:00:36 lol 16:00:37 courtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith 16:00:38 courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith 16:00:45 o/ 16:00:45 o/ 16:00:49 o/ 16:00:50 o/ 16:00:52 o/ 16:00:59 hi 16:01:03 yo yo 16:01:10 o/ 16:01:13 o/ 16:01:14 \oj 16:01:29 #topic Review action items from previous meeting 16:01:36 just one item from last week 16:01:40 #info dims set up backport of oslo.db fix for after-fork handling of connections DONE oslo.db 1.7.1 16:01:40 more on backports later... 16:01:47 #topic Red flags for/from liaisons 16:02:00 how are things looking going into the release candidate period? 16:02:00 none from keystone 16:02:20 jungleboyj: are you around? 16:02:29 o/ 16:02:38 \o 16:03:07 i'm with jungleboyj would like to ask about adding hacking checks to projects for logging guidelines 16:03:08 did all the requirements tweaks get merged into the various projects? 16:03:21 oslo.messaging kilo release? neutron would like to have one with multitarget patch 16:03:29 patch: https://review.openstack.org/166349 16:03:30 o/ 16:03:34 I am here now. 16:03:42 ihrachyshka: we'll be discussing that in a bit 16:03:46 some of these hacking checks could just as well be unit tests. 16:03:52 in that way we'll be able to deprecate old namespaces earlier 16:03:54 * stevemar sneaks in and continues to lurk 16:03:54 ack 16:03:54 e0ne: Yeah, we should chat about that. 16:03:57 harlowja_at_home: i tried to +A over the weekend, there may be some stragglers 16:04:04 dims, cools 16:04:15 ^ also i guess for integrating projects; seems like thats underway 16:04:30 seems like glance had a brokeness @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166796/ 16:04:41 imo, it would be graet to have such checks in oslo.log or openstack/hacking to run it for all projects 16:04:41 e0ne: I know some projects have written checks like that. It's worth discussing adding them to hacking or oslo.log or something to make them easy to share 16:04:54 dhellmann: +1 16:05:04 e0ne: but they need to be optional, in case not all projects want to use them 16:05:16 e0ne: We just pulled a number in from Nova. 16:05:35 dhellmann: sure. but makint it only for cinder or nova is not a best way. 16:05:42 e0ne: so maybe a mailing list thread is the next step? jogo and mtreinish manage the hacking project under QA now 16:05:53 hacking project seems to be quite slow to receive changes though 16:06:01 ihrachyshka: that is by design 16:06:04 :) 16:06:17 dhellmann: ok. lets start disccussion aboit logging hacking checks in openstack-dev ML 16:06:25 :) 16:06:30 e0ne: sounds good, I'll watch for the thread 16:06:36 e0ne: +2 16:06:37 what logging check do you want to do? 16:06:41 are there any other issues we need to discuss? 16:06:56 * dhellmann notices harlowja_at_home's comment about glance 16:06:57 bknudson: to make logging correspond guidelines 16:07:14 dhellmann, glance comment @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166796/ :-P 16:07:14 dhellmann: General issues? 16:07:15 dhellmann: Andreas spotted it, should be under control 16:07:30 dhellmann, jungleboyj: are you ok if i'ls start thread? 16:07:56 e0ne: Go for it. 16:08:07 ok. i'll do 16:08:09 jungleboyj: anything that might be blocking your progress 16:08:21 jungleboyj: but I guess really anything :-) 16:08:36 dhellmann: Ok, I just wanted to bring up here: https://review.openstack.org/165431 16:08:39 e0ne: i'd love to know more about the logging checks. i've implemented a bunch of stuff about logging for Keystone 16:08:50 That is the review for trying to move to using the new oslo-config-generator. 16:09:16 Cinder cores were not super excited by that approach so I have proposed an alternate approach to the mailing list. 16:09:35 Appreciate feedback, especially from Nova and Neutron on that note. 16:09:40 dstanek: i want to get it aotomatic for all patches. 16:09:41 mock the log call and make it fail if you don't like the args. 16:10:22 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/thread.html#59557 16:10:30 jungleboyj's ML thread on the config generator ^^ 16:11:04 jungleboyj, ack, I'll check and respond 16:11:07 would be nice if you didn't have to import the world to generate the config file. 16:11:10 dhellmann: Thank you. At this point I am guessing this is going to go out into Liberty. We shall see though. I am out the next week but will try to code up whatever is agreed upon as soon as I get back. 16:11:25 but I guess it's easy enough with tox venv. 16:11:27 bknudson: Yeah, the new proposal would reduce that a lot. 16:11:38 yeah, it may be late to make the change for kilo, but that's up to the cinder team 16:12:05 doesn't have to be perfect to begin with, as long as it works. 16:12:47 bknudson: Agreed. Want to move in the direction of something that everyone is ok with though. 16:13:25 it would be good to put together some advice for projects going through a similar discussion 16:13:50 dhellmann: +2 16:14:13 there hasn't been much input on that thread, yet, but maybe this week 16:15:02 harlowja_at_home: it looks like that glance patch is failing so it won't merge? 16:15:14 harlowja_at_home: something to do with a database migration test 16:15:28 dhellmann: Yeah, hoping maybe while I am out this week people will give more input. 16:15:33 dhellmann, maybe some other glance issue then 16:15:47 If I don't hear much more I will just try to go forward with what we discussed next week. 16:15:59 jungleboyj: ++ 16:16:04 harlowja_at_home: yeah :-/ 16:16:13 ok, is there anything else we need to raise as an issue? 16:16:23 I am done. :-) 16:16:39 dhellmann: heartbeat patch, whether or not to ship with kilo 16:16:55 dims: I have that listed under ongoing work 16:16:57 code is in oslo.messaging/trunk 16:17:01 * dhellmann failed to update the agenda in the wiki 16:17:07 cool thx 16:17:21 #topic Feature freeze 16:17:22 #info we should be focusing on bug fixes leading up to the release candidate period 16:17:23 #info remember the incubator is still frozen because we haven't created a stable branch there, yet 16:17:24 we will do that around the time of the other release candidates 16:17:46 the fix to the service module for reloading the config is a good example of something we want to let in 16:18:08 +1 dhellmann 16:18:13 while harlowja_at_home's patch to add a deprecation warning to a method of the same class is an example of something that needs to wait 16:18:33 fine with me :) 16:18:47 harlowja_at_home's patch has 2 +2 so it can land right after the branch is created 16:18:59 ack 16:19:32 #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities 16:19:32 #info we released a fix for the db connection after fork issue as oslo.db 1.7.1 16:19:37 do we have any other fixes we need to backport to the stable/kilo branches of any libraries? 16:19:37 maybe the rabbit heartbeat fix for oslo.messaging? 16:20:20 ihrachyshka proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166349/ but I don't know if that's a good candidate -- it looks like a feature? 16:21:02 dhellmann: oslo.db probably has a couple (there's a LOG for retry) 16:21:32 dhellmann, yeah, for incremental upgrade. otherwise we're left with RPC namespaces in bad shape for another cycle. 16:21:50 dims: good point; rpodolyaka & viktors : can you put together a list of patches that need to be backported for a new release of oslo.db from the stable/kilo branch? 16:22:09 ihrachyshka: ok, I probably need to read more about the background of that 16:22:23 dhellmann, the bug should give you insight 16:22:26 dhellmann: ok. viktors will put a list of patches 16:22:35 *and I 16:22:50 rpodolyaka, viktors : if you go ahead and submit them for review, we won't need to track a separate list somewhere :-) 16:23:04 dhellmann: true :) 16:23:31 ihrachyshka: ok, I'll take a look 16:23:45 ++ to reviews 16:24:13 #action rpodolyaka and viktors to identify oslo.db patches that need to be backported to stable/kilo 16:24:16 sileht: can you do the same for oslo.messaging? 16:24:34 dhellmann, sure 16:24:39 sileht: thanks 16:24:53 #action sileht to identify oslo.messaging patches that need to be backported to stable/kilo 16:25:16 do we need to look at any of the other libs? 16:25:58 We also have a bunch of specs up for review, and we should start the discussion on those before the summit 16:25:59 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack%2Foslo-specs+is:open,n,z 16:26:55 don't see anything else dhellmann 16:27:11 yeah, I think we've already found all of the big items 16:27:13 rpodolyaka, dhellmann: sorry, was afk. Agree with Roman 16:27:21 viktors: np, thanks 16:27:34 ok, that's it for the formal agenda this week 16:27:39 #topic open discussion 16:27:58 stevedore: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166543/ 16:28:17 I am going to be on vacation 26-31 March. I don't expect to be checking email during that time. 16:28:30 dims volunteered to chair the meeting next week 16:28:49 bknudson: nice, I'll put that on my review list 16:28:50 have a good vacation dhellmann! 16:29:01 dims: thanks! 16:29:30 I am also out 3/24 to 3/31 if anyone is looking for me. I will occasionally check e-mail. 16:29:41 jungleboyj: thanks for the heads-up 16:29:54 spring breakers. 16:29:55 Welcome. 16:30:04 * jungleboyj needs vacation! Warm beach, here I come! 16:30:19 bknudson: Indeed. 16:30:29 * dhellmann is headed to dublin, so doesn't expect "warm" to be part of the agenda 16:30:30 jungleboyj: have fun! 16:30:56 dims: Thanks! 16:31:02 dublin, nice, sounds like fubn 16:31:11 ought to be slightly different weather than georgia ;) 16:31:31 harlowja_at_home: actually, it's cool and wet here right now, too :-) 16:31:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craic 16:31:44 nm, then i guess its the same weather, ha 16:31:55 It's cool and white here today. 16:31:58 please do not use crack 16:32:18 * refering to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craic 16:32:26 dhellmann: Nice! I would like to visit there some time. 16:32:34 don't tell the border agents you're going for the craic 16:32:45 jungleboyj: we've been looking forward to it 16:32:47 bknudson, +2 i second that, lol 16:32:54 I've been working with neutron, I need a vacation. 16:32:59 heh 16:33:47 I think that probably covers it for this week, so let's call the meeting done and spend a few minutes on spec reviews 16:33:50 thanks, everyone! 16:34:19 dhellmann: Thanks. Have a great vacation! 16:34:42 jungleboyj: you, too! 16:34:46 #endmeeting