16:00:13 #startmeeting oslo 16:00:14 Meeting started Mon Apr 20 16:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:17 The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' 16:00:19 hi 16:00:21 o/ 16:00:23 courtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, dhellmann, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith 16:00:26 o/ 16:00:28 courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith 16:00:31 yo yo yo 16:00:37 ./ 16:00:38 o/ 16:00:41 o/ 16:00:56 i'm your pilot for today, the other copilots are on vacation or something 16:00:57 Oj 16:01:04 o/ 16:01:14 o? 16:01:17 o/ 16:01:27 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo 16:01:27 harlowja_at_home, single pilot... scary 16:01:36 ihrachyshka, if i hit a mountain, sorry 16:01:42 lol 16:01:56 the exits are forward, and they may be behind u, so check for your local exit 16:02:22 alright let's see here 16:02:31 place a mask over your mouth and nose befor helping others. 16:02:35 :) 16:02:59 #topic Review action items from previous meeting 16:03:09 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-04-13-16.00.txt 16:03:21 who's been naughty and who's been nice, let's see 16:03:40 looks like most of the action items go to dhellmann who's not even around 16:04:03 harlowja_at_home, you should be our all-time chairman. a good laugh won't hurt on Monday. 16:04:03 did you bring your baton to canada? 16:04:16 bknudson, i got it ready to go 16:04:23 but i didn't get to canada last week 16:04:25 maybe this week :-/ 16:04:47 ihrachyshka, thx, the pilot joke was all original harlowja_at_home material :) 16:05:08 bknudson, if i start walking from CA -> canada i might make it this week right? 16:05:24 *california 16:06:00 harlowja_at_home, no way, there is a border where you'll spend a week 16:06:15 hmmm, guess i'm screwed then 16:06:48 release oslo.db master (and oslo.policy stable/kilo ) for dhellmann i think happened though, anyone know about that one? 16:06:59 pretty sure copilot dhellmann did that 16:07:08 google maps says 13 days to walk from san francisco. 16:07:19 bknudson, crap 16:07:46 #action harlowja_at_home bring baton to canada via smuggling donkeys 16:07:49 o/ 16:07:59 jd__, sup 16:08:12 there smuggling donkeys will get it there in time for the summit 16:08:15 wesh gro 16:08:53 something like https://tinyurl.com/mzldn85 should do it 16:09:26 ok next topic! since i guess those action item(s) are hard to discern at the curren time 16:09:42 Wow, that just happened. 16:10:05 :) 16:10:22 red flags? 16:10:25 #topic Red flags for/from liaisons 16:10:27 yup 16:10:35 comrades, I have a huge red oslo.policy flag, so let's start the revolution: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061783.html 16:10:46 I need moar public api 16:10:51 none for keystone... stable/ branches are broken so I don't know how it's been working for oslo. 16:10:52 I -> neutron 16:11:03 hmmm, reading (gives few seconds for others to look at) 16:11:12 that's a long read 16:11:27 No red flags from Cinder. 16:11:38 anyone can propose changes to oslo.policy. 16:11:45 ihrachyshka, agreed, so whats the general gist of that email :) 16:11:53 but basically, neutron made a mistake in adding a coll new feature to its policy machinery, and now we need some symbols from oslo.policy to continue providing the feature 16:11:55 * harlowja_at_home didn't expect such a long read (wholly moley) 16:12:02 *cool 16:12:10 cool features can go right into oslo.policy 16:12:14 like AndCheck, RoleCheck, RuleCheck 16:12:22 nah, the feature cannot 16:12:28 then everyone can use them. 16:12:34 since it's not in line with oslo.policy design, and would break other consumers 16:12:48 what was the original reason for hiding them (if anyone knows?) 16:12:49 and why is also covered by that email 16:13:12 stevemar, 16:13:13 it's easier to make things public than to go from public -> private. 16:13:38 fair enough, so seems like something that can be tweaked pretty easily i would assume 16:13:39 bknudson, ++ 16:13:48 bknudson, right, but neutron was ok with doing feature work in oslo.policy, and we originally thought it will just take time but is doable. now we don't 16:14:15 harlowja_at_home, if oslo.policy team is ok with making stuff public, then yes, a matter of several lines + unit tests 16:14:39 if not, neutron is in bad position to implement its own policy machinery in parallel to what oslo.policy provides 16:14:50 I don't think there's any reason it needs to be kept private... I think it was just made private initially since it's easier to make public. 16:14:59 from neutron side, it's obvious what we would choose, but oslo team can have its valid reasons not to be kind 16:15:04 bknudson, yep, that was why 16:15:05 i'd hope we can avoid the recreation of things ihrachyshka if we can :) 16:15:07 ihrachyshka, how much is your policy machinery used? what cases does it solve that oslo.policy doesn't provide? 16:15:15 bknudson, we asked to make those public before, and was rejected 16:15:25 if it is a generic case maybe it *should* be moved into oslo.policy now. 16:15:29 ihrachyshka: do you have a note that says it can't be public? 16:15:38 or a review? 16:15:41 bknudson, it was on the review to make them public 16:15:51 i remember the "we shouldn't make it public" coment 16:16:04 morganfainberg, have you read the email? I think there are some answers (compatibility concern), but maybe they are not valid, some comments are appreciated 16:16:07 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163163/ 16:16:20 ihrachyshka, which email. recent or older one? 16:16:25 I -1d it since I didn't think the documentation was adequate. 16:16:27 ihrachyshka, have a ton of emails to sift through. 16:16:47 bknudson, that was discussed around https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159525/ 16:16:50 see prev patchsets 16:17:04 morganfainberg, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061783.html 16:17:24 I know that's a huge one to choke, sorry guys, I owe you my life 16:17:39 hold on i need to reboot my router... 16:17:43 it was dhellmann who said he thought it didn't need a change... 16:17:53 be back in a few. 1000-2000ms ping is making the internet unusable 16:17:56 "Registering options at runtime should work fine. Did you try that and see a failure? Maybe something else is wrong?" -- and no answer 16:18:16 so maybe dhellmann (when he gets back) should get poked with stick about that one? 16:18:32 bknudson, register probably works, not sure the patch is relevant here 16:18:50 *not literally a stick 16:18:52 harlowja_at_home, that's possible. I guess I won't be there to poke though since I leave to vac too next week 16:19:11 harlowja_at_home, a stick and a kind word is always better than a kind word only! 16:19:17 #action harlowja_at_home poke dhellmann with stick about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163163/ 16:19:24 i poke him if i can remember :) 16:19:28 thanks man 16:19:40 ihrachyshka, that sounds like a wise word/saying, i agree, lol 16:19:48 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163163/ doesn't seem relevant to the discussion... 16:19:50 I know that's something requiring time to digest, so let's give people time to read it and move forward :) 16:19:56 was there another review I was supposed to be looking at? 16:20:20 bknudson, check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159525/ 16:20:37 there are comments from Ian asking not to publicize those symbols 16:21:08 we could try registering new options at run time, and if that fails we could publicize them 16:21:11 but it's merged. 16:21:27 so I don't think this is about registering options, but new special checks. 16:21:46 bknudson, it's merged in without those symbols originally asked to become public. so those now public are still not enough 16:21:54 see first patchsets before Ian's comment 16:21:56 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159525/ is already merged. 16:21:57 so it seems like we just need to have some kind of agreement on public/not for those, maybe something that can be shout out on the ML? maybe in response to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061783.html ? 16:22:27 harlowja_at_home, no need to shout, just use _ convention (as oslo.policy already does) 16:22:29 I think a review is required that shows what changes are needed. 16:22:43 seems fair 16:22:46 bknudson, ok, I will post one tomorrow 16:22:51 thanks! 16:23:26 #topic Releases for this week 16:23:47 so this one i'll just touch on, sdague are u around, u might have more context about what should or shouldn't be releasing (if anything) 16:23:47 I'm not a fan of projects registering their own special checks since it makes using policy more difficult than it should be. 16:24:26 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/the-big-thaw is something i saw recently 16:24:51 but i'm not sure how / if any oslo libraries are so much affected by that 16:25:25 anyone planning any releases might just want to consult with the powers that be ( sdague ) and others just to make sure 16:25:56 harlowja_at_home: they are impacted, we need new releases of all of them with updated requirements :) 16:26:20 well thats an impact for sure then :) 16:26:56 sdague, is that just for stable releases ? 16:28:06 harlowja_at_home: no, master 16:28:13 k 16:28:31 guess we'll learn about this as it progresses, so just something to be aware of folks :) 16:28:51 dhellmann is aware of what's needed, but I don't think ttx and I realized he would be out today 16:29:03 sdague, np 16:29:54 dims is out also ( not on the same vacation as dhellmann afaik) but hopefully they can help soon 16:30:08 * if they are on the same vacation thats cool to, lol 16:30:46 #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities 16:31:24 so anyone need any special review attention (besides the ones already mentioned?) 16:32:08 also make sure to checkout https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z 16:32:20 so that people can talk about them at the summit 16:32:22 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z 16:32:42 *summit not that far away actually (woah) 16:34:21 thought on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142659/ would be interseting, since I know alot of projects use/depend on that 16:35:27 alright, going once one any other reviews :) 16:35:44 twiceeeeee 16:36:03 sold to jd__ who now has to review everyones code 16:36:17 congrats jd__ u are the winner 16:36:22 #topic Open discussion 16:36:48 anything else for people to discuss (or we can get 20 minutes of fun time back) 16:37:58 *crickets* 16:38:01 lol 16:38:06 the crickets want to talk 16:38:08 oh goodie 16:38:31 * harlowja_at_home waits for crickets to speak up 16:38:56 what what what did I win? 16:39:01 I shouldn't be AFK 16:39:03 lol 16:39:08 u won 16:39:10 it all 16:39:16 all the things! 16:39:18 * jungleboyj has to go get his son from school anway. Later. :-) 16:39:25 :) 16:39:28 lata 16:39:51 ok, short meeting today, have 20 minutes back to do some reviews and make some code better and such :) 16:39:57 and jd__ collect your prize later 16:40:01 ha 16:40:07 fair enough 16:40:09 yay for 20 minutes back :\ 16:40:15 :) 16:40:24 #endmeeting