16:00:21 <dims> #startmeeting oslo
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16:00:26 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'oslo'
16:00:30 <dims> courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo,
16:00:30 <dims> courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps
16:00:31 <johnsom_> o/
16:00:31 <dims> courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek
16:00:31 <amrith> ./
16:00:35 <ozamiatin> o/
16:00:39 <bknudson> hola
16:00:44 <amrith> hello all
16:00:47 <e0ne> hi
16:00:49 <ihrachys> o/
16:00:53 <johnsom> hi
16:01:09 <bknudson> howdy -- already practicing for austin
16:01:25 <johnsom> Wow, over achiever
16:01:35 <dims> howdy y'all - you mean? :)
16:01:45 <bknudson> I was going to go with pardner
16:01:46 <dims> #topic Red flags for/from liaisons
16:02:03 <johnsom> Nothing in my camp to mention
16:02:04 <bknudson> none for keystone
16:02:09 <dims> thanks johnsom and bknudson
16:02:10 <amrith> nothing from trove
16:02:13 <ihrachys> none for neutron
16:02:19 <dims> thanks amrith  and ihrachys
16:02:27 <redrobot> o/
16:02:42 <dims> #topic Releases for Mitaka
16:02:43 <dims> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242793/
16:03:05 <dims> messaging, reports and service on deck for today...
16:03:19 <dims> please let me know if we need to cut anything else
16:03:54 <dims> last week, we added the stable compat jobs so these releases should not break liberty
16:04:05 <dims> cross my fingers
16:04:37 <bknudson> so stable uses mitaka releases?
16:04:42 <dims> my travis ci for testing unit tests of different projects against oslo.* master seems happy too https://travis-ci.org/dims/
16:04:52 <bknudson> (if so shouldn't call the topic "Releases for Mitaka")
16:04:56 <dims> bknudson y, no caps in the g-r for stable/liberty
16:05:18 <dims> bknudson good poinr
16:05:43 <dims> k moving on
16:05:46 <dims> #topic openstack spec reviews
16:05:46 <dims> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243114/ (Pluggable CMDB for oslo.config)
16:06:14 <dims> i remember we talked about similar stuff in vancouver, bnemec remember?
16:07:00 <jungleboyj> o/
16:07:06 <jungleboyj> Sorry, got pulled into another meeting.
16:07:11 <bnemec> Yeah, I thought harlowja_ had a spec open for that already.
16:07:18 <dims> no worries jungleboyj
16:07:31 <dims> bnemec hmm, will hunt for that
16:08:35 <dims> harlowja_ around today?
16:08:55 <dims> bnemec please leave some notes if you get a chance on that review...others too
16:09:02 <dims> #topic Steps to cleanup oslo-incubator
16:09:02 <dims> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-incubator-cleanup
16:09:17 <bknudson> "There is `another proposal <https://review.openstack.org/130047>`"
16:09:21 <dims> who is interested in helping with this? (lots of reviews!)
16:09:49 <dims> bknudson thanks
16:10:08 <dims> i just started taking notes on what all we need to do for cleanup
16:10:17 <dims> in the etherpad above
16:10:28 <bknudson> should be easy reviews.
16:10:58 <dims> bknudson right, just yank stuff out and/or rename them
16:12:28 <dims> #topic First doc sprint for Mitaka
16:12:32 <yottatsa> hi
16:12:38 <dims> yottatsa hi
16:12:57 <dims> anyone interested in organizing a virtual doc sprint?
16:13:06 <dims> when's a good time?
16:13:36 <dims> 2 days just like last time and we make sure that all reviews are merged by end of the sprint
16:14:45 <dims> y'all are too quiet :)
16:15:16 <yottatsa> dims I'm interested because I have a great plans for this cycle
16:15:31 <dims> yottatsa in doc sprint?
16:16:05 * dims opening up the floor
16:16:07 <dims> #topic Open discussion
16:16:07 <dims> Any stuck reviews? or specs?
16:16:18 <yottatsa> Yep, actually mihgen asked me to write docs not code
16:16:19 <amrith> ./
16:16:23 <bknudson> pretty much any time works for me for a doc sprint
16:16:43 <amrith> dims, did anything come of the conversation in tokyo re: oslo.messaging driver for zaqar?
16:16:46 <dims> bknudson ack, will ping harlowja_ and dhellmann later and throw out some dates
16:16:52 <dims> amrith nope
16:17:03 <dims> yottatsa nice!
16:17:08 <yottatsa> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+spec/oslo-config-db could you please look on the idea
16:17:50 <amrith> dims, thanks. could I consider the conversation dead in that case?
16:17:57 <dims> yottatsa want to explain a bit about the spec you filed?
16:18:04 <amrith> 's/could/should/'
16:18:10 <dims> amrith unless someone from zaqar shows up...
16:18:17 <amrith> ok, thanks.
16:18:20 <amrith> nothing else for me
16:18:37 <dims> amrith thanks!
16:18:39 <yottatsa> dims sure
16:19:17 <dims> yottatsa bknudson pointed to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130047/ - you probably saw that one before too
16:20:02 <yottatsa> We're trying to run OpenStack services in containers, and this requires to inject config files to dockerized software bundles.
16:21:02 <yottatsa> This could be done by messing with mounting config dirs or layering containers
16:21:47 <dims> so you'd rather "pull"
16:22:03 <yottatsa> Instead of this I introduced --config-db=provider://conn_string option to oslo.config's CLI. It enables pulling configuration directly from database.
16:22:30 <dims> yottatsa just once during initialization?
16:22:46 <bknudson> do you have any examples of other servers that can use etcd?
16:22:52 <yottatsa> For now -- yes.
16:22:53 <bknudson> maybe apache httpd?
16:23:44 <dims> bknudson etcd and consul came up during the tooz/dlm discussions too
16:23:45 <bknudson> does it store individual config options for the whole config file?
16:24:04 <yottatsa> bknudson I have no examples of apache httpd using cmdb, but I have an example of RabbitMQ using consul https://github.com/aweber/rabbitmq-autocluster
16:24:37 <yottatsa> bknudson it stores individual config options hierarhically
16:25:06 <johnsom> This brings up interesting questions.  We use config drive to push out TLS certs into the service VMs.  I wonder how the security would work in a pull model.
16:25:09 <yottatsa> like --config-db=zk:// -> /openstack/DEFAULT/admin_token for example
16:25:25 <johnsom> (along with an oslo config)
16:26:34 <bknudson> you still have to get zk:// to the container
16:27:13 <dims> bknudson a single url is easily sent to the docker container
16:27:25 <dims> through ENV variable for example
16:27:58 <yottatsa> dims bknudson I've checked out 130047 before and I've mentioned this in bp. It could be an alternative, if rescoped.
16:28:38 <dims> yottatsa so my advice, ping harlowja_ later and ask his opinion as well.
16:28:49 <yottatsa> bknudson providing configuration entry point seems acceptable for docker
16:28:49 <dims> yottatsa thanks for walking us through
16:29:12 <bknudson> can you make it handle the replacement vars in configs like ${compute_port}s
16:29:29 <bknudson> actually, would probably be better if it didn't handle replacements.
16:29:51 <bknudson> I'm always looking for a reason to get rid of that "feature"
16:29:56 <dims> :) Anyone else have anything to discuss?
16:30:21 <dims> going once
16:30:35 <dims> going twice
16:30:43 <dims> thanks everyone. talk to you all next week
16:30:45 <yottatsa> bknudson speaking about replacements, if you layer --config-file and --config-db, you may actually handle a replacement out-of-the-box. I should verify this, th8
16:30:53 * dims hangs on
16:31:31 <bknudson> chef, ansible, and other tools already make it easy to set up your config without using replacement
16:31:44 <bknudson> so I think we should get rid of it.
16:32:00 <bknudson> there are other reasons to get rid of it that I won't go into
16:32:38 <dims> bknudson : let's do a spec (should be easy!), it's more for gathering +2's from everyone
16:33:28 <yottatsa> #link actually, there is a spec in bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243114/
16:34:02 <dims> yottatsa that was for dropping the replacement syntax
16:34:16 <yottatsa> dims got it
16:34:34 <dims> k thanks everyone
16:34:42 <dims> #endmeeting