16:00:06 #startmeeting oslo 16:00:07 courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, 16:00:08 courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps 16:00:08 Meeting started Mon Mar 14 16:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:08 courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb 16:00:09 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:10 courtesy ping for dukhlov, lxsli, rbradfor, mikal, nakato, tcammann1, browne, 16:00:12 The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' 16:00:13 o/ 16:00:15 hi 16:00:17 hi 16:00:19 hi 16:00:19 yo! 16:00:19 o/ 16:00:24 Thanks haypo for running the meeting last week 16:00:25 hello! 16:00:30 o/ 16:00:41 o/ 16:01:00 Happy Pi Day! 16:01:13 hi johnsom bknudson e0ne toabctl kgiusti jecarey amrith redrobot jungleboyj rbradfor 16:01:19 o/ 16:01:27 yo yo 16:01:27 hi rpodolyaka 16:01:41 hi dims_ 16:01:42 rbradfor : happy pi day :) 16:01:53 hi harlowja_at_home 16:01:55 #topic Red flags for/from liaisons 16:01:56 hi hi dims_ 16:02:03 none for keystone 16:02:11 Nothing to report from LBaaS land 16:02:12 damn dst 16:02:23 thanks bknudson johnsom 16:02:25 Pi Day! \o/ 16:02:26 stevemar : hehe 16:02:49 o/ 16:02:56 sileht: _o/ 16:03:08 hi sileht haypo 16:03:11 #topic Any stop-ship Bugs needed to be fixed for Mitaka 16:03:12 Oslo.messaging - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.messaging+branch:stable/mitaka 16:03:16 Nothing to report from Cinder. Good news, we now have incubator fully removed. 16:03:40 \o/ 16:03:46 i found a couple of things we could fix, so please review those 2 items and we can request a oslo.messaging release for Mitaka 16:03:46 jungleboyj: it's really good news! 16:03:51 jungleboyj, great to hear, no more incubator 16:03:51 jungleboyj : very cool 16:03:56 e0ne: Indeed! 16:04:17 * jungleboyj should have dug into it earlier. Didn't take much work. 16:04:28 jungleboyj : w00t 16:04:35 none from trove. 16:05:04 so stable/mitaka branches were cut from the last released library SHA 16:05:32 woot! 16:05:43 if anyone has stuff that went in after the last release into master, we should consider backporting to stable/mitaka and asking for a release 16:06:20 o/ 16:06:25 one review above is to fix problems we see in grenade the other one is to not starve threads other than the notification listener 16:06:36 both one-liners 16:06:45 so please vote on those 16:07:05 hey ozamiatin 16:07:19 ah, time.sleep(0) 16:07:27 how i hate such code, lol 16:07:28 ha 16:07:43 ozamiatin dukhlov for the pika and zmq drivers and the simulator stuff, those can wait until we wrap up mitaka work 16:07:48 * harlowja_at_home looking at blocking code review, ha 16:08:05 harlowja_at_home : tested in 2 different environments by different people, 16:08:06 dims_: ok 16:08:15 dims_, i know, such code just makes me sad, lol 16:08:24 its like sprinkling fairy dust in various places 16:08:26 lol 16:08:37 yep, hard to find them too 16:08:42 yup 16:09:01 looks like no one else needs anything for Mitaka :) moving on 16:09:07 #topic Gather session ideas for Austin 16:09:07 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-oslo-summit-planning 16:09:30 we need to help the next PTL :) ^^ 16:10:37 giving it a minute for people to look through 16:10:46 dims_, should we send that etherpad to ML? 16:10:51 dims_: Some good stuff in there. 16:11:01 harlowja_at_home : +1 please do 16:11:04 kk 16:11:06 will do 16:11:23 #action harlowja_at_home to send planning etherpad to mailing list 16:12:07 so i keep getting asked what did we do in Mitaka :) so crowdsourcing it 16:12:08 #topic Achievements for Mitaka - The good, the bad and the ugly 16:12:08 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-achievements 16:12:19 nice 16:12:20 +\ 16:12:21 +1 16:12:33 please add even small achievements 16:12:53 this will help figure out what we want to tell projects to adopt/use in the next cycle 16:13:15 cools 16:13:17 good idear 16:13:21 liaison's please note the TODO's at the end :) 16:14:06 harlowja_at_home : something about tooz ther? 16:14:08 * dhellmann ducks in late 16:14:29 dims_, hmmmm, let me think, jd__ yt 16:14:34 dhellmann we need to advertise what we did in M - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-achievements 16:14:50 jungleboyj, did any tooz integration merge into cinder (finally?) 16:15:00 harlowja_at_home : if we have to evangelize tooz+zookeeper stuff now's the time :) 16:15:07 I think we are good on both of those TODO's but I will double check 16:15:23 harlowja_at_home: I think some has gotten in. I would need to check with Dulko on that. 16:15:27 e0ne: Do you know for sure? 16:15:49 dims_, did u say zookeeper 16:15:50 that's bad 16:15:52 haha 16:15:57 thou shall not say that word 16:15:58 lol 16:16:05 especially java 16:16:11 thou who can not be named 16:16:12 lol 16:16:26 (or whatever it was from harry potter, i forget) 16:16:31 dhellmann : did you get a chance to peek at the planning etherpad too? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-oslo-summit-planning 16:16:43 #topic Open discussion 16:16:43 Any stuck reviews? new specs? 16:17:00 dims_ : yeah, I added one or two things to each of those 16:17:24 I have one ... for open discussion. 16:17:29 shoot amrith 16:17:33 I've got one for oslo.policy using yaml 16:17:39 oh dims_ should we have a followup topic in newton about all the reviewers and how to get more and more and more... 16:17:40 and more 16:17:48 I'm wondering if there is some way we can have an extension to the current API's in oslo.messaging to provide credentials with which the underlying transport will connect. 16:18:01 dims_, I've proposed a spec to standardize on context args https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290907/ Based on several reviews that just skim the surface 16:18:02 oslo.policy in yaml - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279748/ 16:18:06 i.e. pass the moral equivalent of rabbitMQ credentials (or the appropriate ones for other transports) from the requestor 16:18:08 I put it in keystone-specs 16:18:10 rather than configuration options. 16:18:12 thoughts? 16:18:34 amrith : so you want to send credentials over the message bus? 16:18:34 amrith : you can programatically construct a transport url (and the url can have the creds) 16:18:41 I am also writing a Deprecation management policy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288720/ Would appreciate initial feedback while I'm still completing 16:18:44 Logical extension to that (camel meet tent) is that I'd like the ability to create users through oslo.messaging. 16:18:49 sorry dhellmann no. 16:19:08 I'd like to be able to pass to oslo.messaging, the credentials that rabbitMQ under the covers should use to connect to the MQ server. 16:19:19 rbradfor: there's already a deprecation policy - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ 16:19:22 in review 16:19:29 amrith : as dims_ said, you can do that in the connection url 16:19:40 and if not, that's a bug 16:19:56 dhellmann, dims_ thanks. Let me see if that will do what I want. 16:19:57 thanks 16:20:42 bknudson : the oslo.policy spec.. want to move it to oslo-specs? should be a breeze since we already merged some reviews 16:20:42 bknudson, that does not talk about the packages and features we use to deprecate. 16:21:14 rbradfor : is yours a HOWTO? 16:21:16 dims_: I originally proposed it to oslo-specs, so i can move it back there. 16:21:26 e0ne, jungleboyj ya, seems like tooz something or other landed in cinder ( https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/requirements.txt#L59 ) 16:21:58 bknudson : ack 16:22:01 e0ne, any idea what merged, if u get some time 16:22:09 dims_, you could say that. Given what is available to use, this is how you should use it. 16:22:17 (or else i can find out by scanning git history) 16:22:44 dhellmann : is there another spot we can use for a HOWTO deprecate? 16:22:56 since it may be useful for other projects too? 16:22:57 harlowja_at_home: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/commit/d6fabaa6cf7700cfb957e37594d0da818afea806 16:23:02 e0ne, thx 16:23:28 johnsom, do u want to add a little piece about taskflow, how it made your life so much better in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-achievements 16:23:41 e0ne: Was just about to put that here. 16:23:43 johnsom, under new integrations 16:23:56 dims_ : we could put it in the project-team-guide, but that's really mean to be processes used everywhere and different projects may have slight variations 16:23:59 harlowja_at_home: So, first round of work to get distributed locks for A/A HA support. 16:24:06 jungleboyj, e0ne coool, so starts with file-locks 16:24:11 Hmm, sure. You should add the deciders too. Big feature for us 16:24:19 johnsom, u want to add ;) 16:24:20 haha 16:24:26 u can say how awesome it is for u 16:24:28 lol 16:24:45 Ok. Not sure if we fit in "new" integrations, as we were using taskflow in liberty too 16:24:54 i threw in "Evangelize distributed locks (tooz + zookeeper?)" 16:25:14 johnsom, ok i fixed it :) 16:25:44 dims_, 'It-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named' 16:25:48 u must not say that word 16:25:48 lol 16:25:53 dims_ : since rbradfor's is a howto as long as it doesn't conflict with lifeless' proposal maybe it can be a follow-up to that? we've been using the policy section of the specs repo for oslo team notes, but maybe we want to add a new dev-guide section? 16:26:05 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Voldemort (if u don't get the joke) 16:26:06 lol 16:26:50 dhellmann, I welcome any feedback to adjust/rename accordingly. 16:27:32 johnsom, thx :) 16:27:43 johnsom, i can write how awesome things are, but it feels weird for me to write it, lol 16:27:56 rbradfor : most project teams have a dev guide in their main repo, but we don't have a "main" repo any more now that the incubator isn't being used 16:28:04 Grin 16:29:05 harlowja_at_home Though you are probably better at wording some of this 16:29:13 johnsom, haha, perhaps 16:29:45 i mostly just write crap though 16:29:48 its an acquired skill 16:29:49 lol 16:29:52 You have full license to word smith anything I write 16:29:57 thx :) 16:30:13 johnsom bknudson e0ne toabctl kgiusti jecarey amrith redrobot jungleboyj rbradfor harlowja_at_home rpodolyaka sileht haypo - anything else? 16:30:19 nope 16:30:25 nope 16:30:27 no 16:30:29 no 16:30:33 nope 16:30:36 no 16:30:42 no no 16:30:43 yes 16:30:46 haha, just kidding on the yes 16:30:52 Last but not the least :) Please throw your hat in the ring for PTL 16:30:54 Nope. 16:30:58 dims_, good to meet you in person last monday! 16:31:01 Thanks everyone 16:31:06 Thank you! 16:31:16 rbradfor : likewise :) it was short but still fun 16:31:30 talk to you all next week 16:31:32 #endmeeting