16:00:11 #startmeeting oslo 16:00:12 Meeting started Mon Jul 11 16:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' 16:00:22 o/ 16:00:29 o/ 16:00:30 o/ 16:00:31 o/ 16:00:37 o/ 16:00:40 o/ 16:01:06 pining the rest 16:01:08 ./ 16:01:09 *pinging 16:01:12 o/ 16:01:12 courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims 16:01:12 courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo 16:01:12 courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz 16:01:12 courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot 16:01:12 courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar 16:01:14 courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek 16:01:34 alright let's get started :) 16:01:43 #topic Red flags for/from liaisons 16:01:55 no red flags from Nova as I know 16:01:59 any ongoing issues from folks? 16:02:01 thx gcb 16:02:01 none from trove. 16:03:03 no red flags from murano 16:03:30 cool, cool 16:03:35 amrith, is http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/build_name/periodic-trove-py34-with-oslo-master ok there? 16:03:49 i don't know if trove is py34 compat in the first place 16:03:57 * amrith checks 16:04:10 it is getting there 16:04:11 o/ 16:04:17 the jobs pass most of the time 16:04:27 haypo is working on some infrequent failures 16:04:35 that we aren't entirely able to pin down yet 16:04:37 SpamapS, howday 16:04:53 amrith, kk, looks like sqlalchemy-migrate perhaps 16:05:00 amrith, interesting the failure in one log is "migrate.exceptions.InvalidVersionError: 36 is not 35'" 16:05:06 well, that shouldn't ... 16:05:13 http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-trove-py34-with-oslo-master/12ad237/console.html 16:05:16 36 is not 35, sounds about right, ha 16:05:28 Howdy. 16:05:37 No red flags from Cinder. 16:05:42 there is some funky issue going on that he and peter are looking at (will check and update before next week) 16:05:42 jungleboyj, hey, any cinder issues or anythings 16:05:47 jungleboyj, kk, thx 16:06:43 Welcome. 16:07:04 #topic Releases for newton 16:07:11 anyone need a release of certain things? 16:07:32 i'm going to hold on oslo.utils until there are a few more changes in that related to spec matching 16:07:43 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339596/ (for example) 16:08:03 but otherwise let me know and i'll cut a larger release batch otherwise 16:08:14 No issues here 16:08:36 johnsom, cool, taskflow and oslo making your life 100x better? 16:08:37 lol 16:08:48 Totally making it 1000x better 16:08:52 grin 16:08:55 nice nice +2 16:09:29 johnsom, what project are you implementing taskflow on? 16:09:46 o/ 16:09:53 yo 16:10:03 The core controller library for Octavia is built around taskflow 16:10:17 cool! 16:10:27 johnsom nice 16:10:32 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS 16:10:41 although i think there is an octavia link somewhere 16:10:42 lol 16:11:04 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia 16:11:11 ah ya, that's the better one 16:11:14 Actually, though we are working on merging the two 16:11:39 cool 16:11:51 It will in theory become a new project "OpenStack LBaaS" or something of a such. 16:11:58 cool 16:12:19 #topic Ongoing reviews needing overview/discussion/dissemination 16:12:28 ./ 16:12:41 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339787/ 16:12:43 so one such review is this spec matcher stuff that ironic is looking for using 16:13:07 its probably been beaten to death, but just wanted to let people know about it 16:13:16 harlowja_at_home, kgiusti, dims: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340439/ 16:13:19 lxsli, and i and mgould have been kicking that stuff into shape 16:13:25 about zmq gates to vote 16:13:34 cool ozamiatin 16:14:14 harlowja_at_home : link? 16:14:17 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:extra-specs-ops-library i guess is a good link for those interested 16:14:51 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313699/ is a refactor of that to be a little more scientific about the mini-language 16:14:56 if people want to look that one over 16:15:00 or any of the others in that topic 16:15:34 * dhellmann notes that spec_matcher.py doesn't have any docstrings 16:15:40 hmmm, err 16:15:45 ummm 16:15:49 what is is matching? 16:15:55 usage sites in Nova: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/scheduler/filters/aggregate_instance_extra_specs.py#n67 16:15:57 http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/scheduler/filters/compute_capabilities_filter.py#n87 16:16:01 lxsli is the best source of 'what it matches' haha 16:16:05 i need to update that docstring 16:16:13 its been a learning process to figure out what that matches :-P 16:16:20 learning/discovery 16:16:34 code by discovery :-/ 16:16:40 if someone writes some docs for this, I'll help with reviews of those other pending patches, but without knowing what this is even for I can't really help 16:16:55 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339787/ amrith i'll look over, some of lxsli questions seem valid (in that it seems to be a intRangeOpt vs list) 16:17:02 dhellmann, fair 16:17:21 harlowja_at_home, the intent is to use it for port ranges 16:17:27 or rather port definitions 16:17:30 #action harlowja add some docstrings to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313699/ cause ya, that's a good thing to do 16:17:42 so we'd like to be able to say 3306,22,7001-7004 16:17:45 amrith, cool, makes sense 16:17:54 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340098 about Python 3.5 16:17:58 the points re: negative numbers are interesting 16:18:03 amrith : why are those going in config files? are those not things the user controls? 16:18:17 those are things taht the operator controls 16:18:22 in trove there are two 'users' 16:18:24 ok 16:18:26 one is the operator 16:18:35 the other is the dude (or dudette) who requests a DB 16:18:40 oh ya, gcb thx for reminding me about 3.5 16:18:41 these are operator controls 16:18:44 hence in the config file 16:18:45 is 3.5 turned on yet? 16:18:49 non-voting 16:19:04 k 16:19:15 if the job passes, it seems fine to add that classifier 16:19:29 should we do similar thing for all oslo libs ? 16:19:36 ++ 16:19:43 makes sense to me where appropriate 16:19:59 and let's get the job set up to be voting asap, too 16:20:09 +1 16:20:30 anyone want to take that and run with it, should be similar across all the projects? 16:20:40 (and not that hard) 16:20:41 ok , I will do that 16:20:46 thanks, gcb 16:20:47 cool, thx gcb 16:20:48 happy to review gcb 16:20:53 i've kinda started 16:20:56 same here 16:20:59 :) 16:21:10 maybe browne and gcb can work together and lxsli and I can do reveiws 16:21:11 ok, gcb do u want to coordinate with dhellmann browne around this, seems underway :) 16:21:15 +2 16:21:20 dhellmann, u are brilliant! 16:21:21 ha 16:21:23 heh 16:21:35 oops. sorry late 16:21:35 oh, my "same here" was to lxsli's "happy to review" 16:21:40 harlowja_at_home, sure 16:21:47 dims, who are u 16:21:54 lol 16:22:20 no clue harlowja_at_home :) 16:22:24 :) 16:22:37 #action dims find out who u are 16:23:21 :) 16:23:22 *cue self-discovery montage* 16:23:39 #topic Mini-online mid-cycle (virtualized) 16:23:45 dims is a newcomer to openstack. please welcome him ... 16:23:51 dims, welcome welcome 16:24:10 thanks amrith harlowja_at_home ! 16:24:17 so i was thinking about seeing if people wanted to do a virtual online midcycle sprint kind of thing 16:24:18 welcome aboard. 16:24:23 welcome tc dims ,haha 16:24:23 welcome dims 16:24:54 we can use it do do various things (like project code examples) that never seem to get enough of 16:25:04 or focus on reviews in a more quicker fashion 16:25:28 for example for oslo.messaging work that kgiusti (who i think is on vacation) is working on 16:25:39 people up for perhaps trying something this or next week? 16:25:44 I wish I was on vacation... 16:25:48 oh 16:25:51 thought u were, lol 16:26:13 next week, actually... 16:26:16 ah, k 16:26:54 harlowja_at_home: note well, if you see me posting reviews, I am NOT on vacation :) 16:27:03 harlowja_at_home : I'm traveling next week, but don't schedule around me if most of the rest of the team can be available 16:27:04 lol 16:27:23 kgiusti, but maybe u do code duringvacation, cause its so much fun 16:27:23 harlowja_at_home, what's dates are you proposing. 16:27:39 rbradfor, unsure yet, i was thinking maybe this thur/fri or next week sometime 16:27:48 harlowja_at_home: it is fun, but Death By Wifey isn't... 16:27:53 i can send out a little ML email with a little more dates 16:28:02 harlowja_at_home Do you mean just do one thing in Mini-online mid-cycle? 16:28:19 well we can do 2 or three 16:28:22 doesn't have to be one :) 16:28:32 just can be all focused on something that we'd like to work through 16:28:33 got it :) 16:28:55 * harlowja_at_home thought it might be useful 16:29:20 harlowja_at_home, I know basically nothing about oslo.messaging, so I would vote for "let's explain how oslo.messaging works/is used for Oslo contributors". 16:29:28 +1 for me 16:29:30 in line with your mention of better examples. 16:29:40 i know enough to be dangerous there, but that's about it 16:29:43 so i'd welcome that also 16:29:54 *a little bit dangerous 16:29:57 not to much 16:30:24 given it's one of the core components, and performance stresses of a running infrastructure 16:30:24 sileht, are u back yet from paternity leave? 16:30:43 if anyone wants a deep dive of the amqp1 driver - stay tuned, ansmith should be posting a design spec for that driver 16:30:44 i can't remember but i know sileht had some kids 16:30:50 or a kid 16:30:52 sileht: congrats! (didn't know) 16:31:18 ya, not named josh though 16:31:22 so idk, -1 16:31:23 lol 16:31:56 #topic The moose logo 16:32:01 so there is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/thread.html#99046 16:32:09 i just wanted to let people know about that 16:32:15 its about the logo 16:32:26 heidi reached out to me, and i don't think we have to do anything 16:32:30 she knows about the moose 16:32:50 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:Oslo-moose-color.svg (for those who don't know) 16:33:01 but she also wanted to make it known that we can change that if we want 16:33:09 and it might get an artistic touch up apparently... 16:33:21 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099046.html (better link) 16:33:54 harlowja_at_home, so it seems you have not responded to the thread yet. +1 for keeping the moose 16:33:56 anyone want to change the logo? its ok if u think something else is better (i'd like to learn) 16:34:16 ya, i wanted to see if anyone wants a different logo or all that first before responding 16:34:19 i'm fine with the moose to 16:34:25 +1 to the moose! 16:34:36 the logo looks cute , just introduced it to my friends last week 16:34:43 +1 to the moose 16:34:50 +1 to keep 16:34:53 that, or a graphic of harlowja_at_home banging his head against a keyboard at 3am 16:34:54 cool 16:34:58 +1 to keep 16:34:59 lol 16:35:04 let's see what 'If your team already has a logo based on a mascot from nature, you’ll have first priority to keep that mascot, and the illustrator will restyle it to be consistent with the other projects.' 16:35:12 *let's see what restyle means 16:35:14 lol 16:35:17 a rabbit biting harlowja_at_home 16:35:29 iceberg 16:35:31 monty python got that one already, lol 16:35:37 (deadly rabbit) 16:35:55 lxsli, an iceberg is interesting 16:36:04 with a little titanic next to it 16:36:10 lol 16:36:19 more (opposable) digits for our moose, (to use said keyboard) 16:36:25 The moose is so cute! 16:36:54 and let's have moose munching on the read OpenStack square. 16:37:04 lol 16:37:21 * harlowja_at_home will be sure to send the link to this transcript in the email to the mailing list 16:37:24 hell while we are at it, can be doogle the moose for different events. 16:37:28 to give said illustrator some ideas 16:38:07 a positive though i think is we won't have to make our own stickers anymore! 16:38:27 yeah I'm really glad they're getting professional logos made 16:38:44 def, the summits have had a interesting selection of custom made ones 16:38:45 relying on hackers for art is optimistic 16:38:49 yup 16:39:01 all i can draw is stick figures 16:39:07 illustrators are hard to find, wish I had some in my circle of friends for the children's book i wrote. 16:39:18 about openstack? 16:39:31 "Watch Jane Push to Git" 16:39:46 little tommy does a openstack review? 16:39:47 Seen Jenkins run. 16:39:57 run jenkins run 16:39:58 Run Jenkins, Run. 16:40:00 ha 16:40:01 jinx 16:40:09 #topic Open discussion 16:40:16 ok, guess we in discussion territory :-P 16:40:17 Does anyone want to talk about oslo in next design summit ? 16:40:19 actually no, but on that note, This is cool from stevemar https://twitter.com/stevebot/status/751817598032019456 16:40:26 The Call for Presentations deadline is July 13 at 11:59pm PT / July 14 6:59 UTC. 16:40:37 ah, good question gcb 16:40:41 I proposed on mutable-config 16:40:46 i haven't submitted anything, but i should 16:40:54 who is submitting (or attempting to)? 16:41:02 I'm proposing one for the amqp1 routable stuff 16:41:04 we'll get fishbowls anyway right? 16:41:13 lxsli, ya, but this i guess is for presentations 16:41:29 yup 16:41:33 is there anyone doing a "What's new in Oslo" like last time? 16:41:33 and/or talks and/or speed-talks or whatever those are called 16:41:47 ++ kgiusti 16:42:04 i can submit something, maybe people will vote for that 16:42:08 don't know if anyone has proposed it yet 16:42:09 +1 harlowja_at_home 16:42:14 * harlowja_at_home never quite understands the voting mechanism :-P 16:42:20 *understood 16:42:21 we tried to talk with oslo in general ,but failed to been chosen https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin_oslo_team_talk 16:42:45 gcb, i'll use something similar 16:42:51 gcb that probably competed with the other Oslo talk in Austin 16:42:52 so can we try it again ? :-) 16:42:53 attempt it again :) 16:42:54 I'll volunteer for a short summary of the new amqp1 driver stuff 16:43:03 so that means 45 minutes? 16:43:03 lol 16:43:13 only 45??? 16:43:14 or 4.5 16:43:15 lol 16:43:16 crap 16:43:31 60? 16:43:32 must... resist... more... slides.... 16:43:35 ha 16:43:58 maybe an etherpad listing who is submitting what might be useful? 16:43:58 I want to resubmit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin_oslo_team_talk , so anyone want to join this ? 16:43:59 The boring and unsexy Oslo Incubator review list for this week seeking a few +1s to prompt teams to see. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294241/ (already +2A but merge failed previously), https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294775/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340414/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340415/ 16:44:34 gcb, i'm in 16:44:44 gcb: +1 16:45:05 harlowja_at_home: +1 16:45:06 how about we drop these (and who) on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona_oslo_talks 16:45:17 then at least we can know who is proposing what 16:45:24 (to avoid duplicates and ...) 16:45:28 rbradfor: haha, glad i could make the meeting minutes :P 16:45:58 I was chosen as Track chair recently, so maybe we can success this time 16:46:02 stevemar, you didn't #openstack tag it (and I understand that) but I wanted to share among friends. 16:46:05 gcb, nice 16:46:27 rbradfor: ah, i didn't know i should have done that - d'oh 16:46:36 gcb, do you accept bribes? 16:46:43 shhhh 16:46:46 if so, please state currency and denomination 16:46:50 harlowja_at_home, stevemar needs an official moose oneise. 16:46:51 oh, sorry, wrong channel :) 16:46:52 one does not talk about fight clib 16:46:54 lol 16:46:58 *club 16:46:59 lol 16:47:12 rbradfor, i'm sure we can get that 16:47:16 tbh we don't talk about fight clib either 16:47:21 gcb: #3 - might make better sense for a dev fishbowl 16:47:23 lxsli, :) 16:48:19 gcb: In Austin, there was a presentation that gave a summary of all the new Oslo stuff - a head's up for our users. 16:48:51 "live from olso" ? 16:49:10 gcb: I think so - I'll look for the link. 16:49:19 we need a green screen for that, so we can put a real oslo, norway backdrop 16:50:02 It was a good way of making some noise about new Oslo features without getting too detailed. 16:50:20 kgiusti +1 16:50:24 https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/8789 16:50:47 dims: bingo! thanks. 16:50:59 ya, it was useful i think, can make it even more useful this time (if we can get it again) 16:51:05 dims thanks 16:52:30 alright, anything else people want to bring up? 16:52:41 seems like we running out of discussion/meeting juice 16:52:42 lol 16:52:43 harlowja_at_home, ^^ incubator +1 help 16:52:51 ah ya, dhellmann also was intersted in that i think 16:53:21 * harlowja_at_home adds to review list 16:53:34 for oslo contributors, it helps if a few people +1 every now and then on low volume projects, helps to get it in front of people. 16:54:06 agreed 16:54:11 browne, you offered to tackle the memorycache in keystonemiddleware 16:54:56 ok sure 16:55:11 rbradfor , I will help review 16:55:15 i'll look into that again, if its still unhandled 16:55:30 browne, still all yours 16:55:37 I checked today 16:55:37 col 16:55:41 cool 16:56:53 * lxsli escapes 16:56:55 :) 16:57:00 thx for coming folks! 16:57:05 back to your day jobs! 16:57:05 ha 16:57:15 harlowja_at_home, thanks for doing the hard work. 16:57:18 meh 16:57:22 thx u 16:57:41 alright, back to #openstack-oslo for more fun! 16:57:47 #endmeeting