15:00:11 #startmeeting oslo 15:00:11 Meeting started Mon May 14 15:00:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bnemec. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' 15:00:49 courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, ansmith, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims 15:00:49 courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, haypo 15:00:49 courtesy ping for jd__, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lhx_, raildo 15:00:49 courtesy ping for redrobot, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, stephenfin, stevemar, therve 15:00:50 courtesy ping for thinrichs, toabctl, zhiyan, zxy, zzzeek 15:01:07 o/ 15:01:23 o/ 15:01:26 o/ 15:01:28 o/ 15:01:49 hi 15:01:53 o/ 15:02:27 o/ 15:02:55 #topic Red flags for/from liaisons 15:03:35 Nothing from Cinder right now. 15:03:48 Not too much from our side. We merged a bunch of bug fixes last week that will hopefully make things better. 15:05:18 Okay, we'll move on then. 15:05:20 #topic Releases for Rocky 15:05:32 Just a couple last week, IIRC. 15:05:54 Thanks to dhellmann for doing the stable releases. That should get us all caught up. 15:06:14 kgiusti: I did hold off on releasing oslo.messaging last week because I saw that the heartbeat work had only partially merged. 15:06:21 bnemec : no problem 15:06:33 I figured it would be better to wait until that is completely done before doing the feature release. 15:06:46 bnemec: right 15:06:48 if someone else is interested in being trained as the release liaison, I would be happy to do the training. just let me know. 15:08:49 Okay, that's all I had on releases. Expect this week's to happen today or tomorrow. 15:08:59 #topic Action items from last meeting 15:09:19 "bnemec to sync up with gcb about Vancouver project update" and "Oslo contributors to contact bnemec with any project updates they'd like included" 15:09:27 We ended up doing this on the etherpad. 15:09:35 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-project-update-rocky 15:10:25 I made some good progress on slides for the session. I'm hoping to send those out shortly to get some feedback. 15:10:57 Which dovetails nicely with the next topic. 15:11:01 #topic Vancouver project update 15:11:19 kgiusti: ansmith: Are either of you going to be there? 15:11:28 I'll be there 15:11:32 I ask mostly because of the kafka topic. 15:11:33 I just added two topics: policy deprecation and external-pdp 15:12:05 kgiusti: Okay, are you good to talk about the kafka work then? 15:12:19 gcb: Yep, thanks 15:12:28 Sure thnig 15:12:31 thing 15:12:58 Oh, and the RPC monitoring topic, which I may have forgotten to include in the slides... 15:13:25 bnemec: if we can collaborate on the slides I can take both rpc mon and kafka 15:13:49 bnemec: what slide tool are you using? 15:13:50 Actually it was just on a different page because it's still in-progress. 15:14:19 kgiusti: I'm using LibreOffice because the foundation sent out the template in PPTX (yuck). 15:14:27 np - can I send you a couple of slides for inclusion? 15:14:46 kgiusti: Absolutely. 15:14:53 bnemec: kk - will do 15:15:18 Thanks 15:16:11 I also talked to Lance about the policy-related stuff, and he's going to try to be in the room to field questions if anyone wants more specifics than I can give. 15:16:32 bnemec: will you finish two topics in your slides I mentioned or need my input ? 15:17:11 gcb: I have slides for those already, so I think we're good. 15:17:23 They both had convenient examples that fit well on a slide. :-) 15:17:35 bnemec: cool 15:17:55 * jungleboyj just noticed that I am listed on the Oslo On-Boarding session. 15:18:10 Besides details on the messaging work, I think the one thing I'm a little light on is post-Rocky work. 15:18:49 oslo.limit is likely to extend beyond Rocky, but I put that in the cross-project slide. 15:19:12 jungleboyj: That's the next topic. :-) 15:19:20 Ok. Good. :-) 15:19:44 So if anyone knows of Oslo work planned for next cycle or beyond, please let me know. 15:20:34 bnemec : that config driver work may carry over 15:21:02 Ah, good point. 15:22:35 Okay, I'll make a few more tweaks and then send the slides to everyone for feedback early this week. 15:23:08 And before we all leave for Vancouver I'll send a final version in case I get snowed in again or something. :-) 15:23:24 :-) 15:23:49 Although if that happens, jungleboyj is probably stuck too. ;-) 15:24:11 :-( Yep. I really hope we are done with snow. 15:24:39 Likewise. 15:25:07 I think we have enough content lined up to fill our 20 minute update slot, so... 15:25:10 #topic Onboarding session agenda 15:25:26 jungleboyj: I think you mentioned that you had done these for Cinder before? 15:25:33 Yep. 15:25:40 And you might have a basic outline of an agenda we could follow? 15:25:51 bnemec: Sure. 15:26:46 jungleboyj: Okay, can you send me that sometime this week? 15:27:00 Sure. 15:27:06 Cool, thanks. 15:27:12 It is basically an overview of our different repos. 15:27:19 #action jungleboyj to send bnemec Cinder onboarding agenda 15:27:23 Walk through of the architecture. 15:27:36 Introduce the core team members. 15:27:46 Yeah, I don't know that we can hit all of the Oslo repos, but maybe some highlights. 15:27:52 High level walk-through of code. 15:28:17 Yeah, I need to figure out how to slim mine down as I have half as much time this time. 15:29:00 Okay, we'll figure it out. 15:29:16 FWIW, we do have people signed up for the Oslo session. 15:30:02 They sent out a spreadsheet with some stats from the schedule page and at the time we had 5 people who had added it to their schedule. 15:30:21 Which doesn't guarantee anyone will attend, but hopefully it's a good sign that we won't be talking to ourselves. :-) 15:30:24 bnemec: That is good. 15:30:50 +1 - tho I do know a few jokes.... just in case. 15:31:19 * bnemec changes the session title to "Standup with Ken" ;-) 15:31:33 2 drink minimum. 15:31:45 more drinks than that - I'm not very funny. 15:32:19 :-) 15:32:30 Okay, I think we have a plan for that too. 15:32:31 :-) 15:33:41 I guess I should mention that the onboarding session is Tuesday at 3:30 15:33:44 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21645/oslo-project-onboarding 15:34:26 And back to the previous topic the project update is Wednesday at 9:50 15:34:30 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21617/oslo-project-update 15:34:50 #topic No meeting next week (or two?) 15:35:13 Monday I and most of you will be in Vancouver, so definitely no meeting then. 15:35:30 ++ 15:35:32 The following Monday will be the first day back for many people, so I'm not sure it's worth holding a meeting then either. 15:36:09 I know I don't get back until like 10:30 PM on Friday. 15:36:28 At least my flight doesn't leave at 6:00 AM this time though. 15:36:54 So, unless someone has a burning desire to meet I'd say let's skip the next two weeks. 15:37:11 If something comes up we can always change that plan. 15:37:27 +1 15:38:00 #action bnemec to send email about Oslo meeting cancellations 15:39:32 #topic Weekly Wayward Review 15:39:43 This is a new thing I want to try. 15:40:01 Right before we take two weeks off probably isn't the best time, but oh well. 15:40:37 Basically we have some very old reviews in our repos, and to start working on that backlog I'd like to pick on each week and as a group figure out what to do with it. 15:41:23 Currently our oldest review is: 15:41:25 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450956/ 15:41:33 At 410 days (!) 15:42:39 It's entirely unit test additions and is passing CI, so it seems like it shouldn't be too hard to review. 15:43:27 So maybe the way forward with it is just to get it on everyone's review queue? 15:44:48 I do see that some of the followup patches need some work, so maybe that's why this one stalled. 15:45:10 It would be nice to get it off the books if we can though. 15:45:16 if it is a set of tests to show a bug exists, and the tests patch, does that mean the bug is fixed? 15:45:18 #action Oslo cores to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450956/ 15:45:43 or does it mean the tests are proving the library does the wrong thing? 15:45:43 #topic Open discussion 15:45:50 #undo 15:45:51 Removing item from minutes: #topic Open discussion 15:46:43 Glancing through I saw some comments about wrong behavior, so I think it might be demonstrating the bug. 15:46:53 ah, the tests have things that should work but don't commented out 15:46:58 I assume that those tests will be fixed in followups when the bug(s) are actually fixed. 15:47:14 I wonder if they will, though, because dolph isn't working on openstack any more afaik 15:48:08 Okay, maybe that needs to be WIP'd pending a new owner for the work? 15:48:47 yeah, I think we want someone to figure out what the story is and at least report back on that and maybe with a suggestion about what approach to take 15:49:29 some of this might be misinterpretation of what's expected, bad docs, or actual bugs 15:50:33 Is here a #helpwanted meeting command? 15:51:32 I don't think so :-) 15:52:00 :-) That would be a good addition. 15:52:11 I guess there's already an action to review the patch, and figuring out the direction it needs to go is part of that. 15:52:32 This probably explains why it's been open for over a year now. 15:53:19 yeah 15:53:39 So if anyone has an abundance of free time, feel free to take over that series. 15:54:39 I guess we'll revisit this next meeting too since it has an action item. We'll see what has happened in the intervening weeks. 15:54:51 #topic Open discussion 15:55:05 A few minutes left, anything else to discuss? 15:55:39 bnemec: I sent you a link to ne of my onboarding presentations. 15:55:56 jungleboyj: Great, thanks! 15:56:04 Welcome. 15:56:28 Oh, oops. I actually had a couple of other things that I failed to put on the agenda. 15:56:36 The first was release-related. 15:56:46 We have some projects in Oslo that haven't been released yet in Rocky. 15:57:08 The release team sent out a reminder email about such projects last week. 15:57:21 Should we go ahead and release those? 15:57:49 Do they have pending changes, or have they just been unnecessary? 15:57:53 This is probably a question for dhellmann 15:57:59 Pending == merged 15:58:19 smcginnis: All the changes in those projects this cycle have been test or doc changes that don't require release. 15:58:28 then it's safe to leave them 15:59:24 Okay, I'll leave them be then. 15:59:57 The other thing I wanted to mention was that we haven't actually responded to the mox removal goal yet. 16:00:15 That's probably going to have to wait for next meeting though since we're out of time and Summit is next week. 16:00:39 I'm going to leave myself an action item on that though. 16:00:50 ++ 16:00:52 #action bnemec to respond to mox removal goal 16:01:01 I think our response is probably the patch to move it out of the oslo list 16:01:13 assuming we're not actually using mox anywhere, of course 16:01:43 Yeah, I'm hoping that the work is mostly just to verify that we aren't. 16:01:57 But I don't know that anyone has looked. 16:02:43 Okay, we're over time. Thanks for joining everyone! 16:02:45 #endmeeting