15:00:58 <bnemec> #startmeeting oslo 15:00:58 <bnemec> Courtesy ping for bnemec, jungleboyj, moguimar, hberaud, stephenfin, kgiusti, johnsom, e0ne, redrobot, bcafarel, smcginnis 15:00:58 <bnemec> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting 15:00:59 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Jun 15 15:00:58 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bnemec. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:01 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01:04 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' 15:01:05 <smcginnis> o/ 15:01:07 <moguimar> o/ 15:01:09 <hberaud> o/ 15:01:21 <jungleboyj> o/ 15:01:22 <bcafarel> o/ 15:01:47 <johnsom> o/ 15:02:10 <kgiusti> p 15:02:15 <kgiusti> o/, that is 15:02:30 <bnemec> :-) 15:03:22 <bnemec> #topic Red flags for/from liaisons 15:03:50 <johnsom> No issues from Octavia 15:03:58 <jungleboyj> No issues from Cinder. 15:04:21 <bcafarel> none from Neutron 15:04:40 <bnemec> I can't remember anything on our side, but I had a 3 day weekend so I can't remember anything that happened last week. ;-) 15:05:41 <smcginnis> :) 15:05:52 <moguimar> Barbican is fine too 15:06:45 <bnemec> Cool, glad to hear nothing is on fire. 15:06:48 <bnemec> #topic Releases 15:07:12 <bnemec> I released the stein backport of the oslo.log fix last week, so all of the supported releases should be fixed. 15:07:29 <bnemec> I believe hberaud also released a fix for oslo.utils. 15:07:50 <hberaud> right 4.2.1 15:09:26 <bnemec> Otherwise expect the usual set of releases for the week. 15:09:29 <bnemec> #topic Action items from last meeting 15:09:34 <hberaud> I'm waiting for reviews on backports for stables branches for the same fix 15:09:48 <bnemec> Sounds good, thanks 15:09:52 <bnemec> "bnemec to release Stein backport(s)" 15:09:55 <bnemec> Done 15:10:04 <bnemec> "Anyone who wants to continue receiving courtesy pings should add their name to the Victoria list on the agenda wiki" 15:10:18 <bnemec> This is ongoing, but it looks like we have a pretty solid list again so call it good progress. 15:10:24 <bnemec> #action Anyone who wants to continue receiving courtesy pings should add their name to the Victoria list on the agenda wiki 15:10:31 <bnemec> We'll leave it on for another week. 15:10:38 <bnemec> "bnemec send email about Victoria ping list" 15:10:48 <bnemec> Done. Twice actually. :-) 15:11:07 <bnemec> I had already sent one a few weeks ago. I sent a reminder too though. 15:11:18 <bnemec> "Oslo cores to fill out contact details on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#The_Oslo_Team" 15:11:31 <bnemec> Partially done. Thanks to everyone who has done that. 15:11:36 <bnemec> #action Oslo cores to fill out contact details on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#The_Oslo_Team 15:11:48 <bnemec> Leaving that one on the list for now too. 15:12:28 <bnemec> That's all of them. 15:12:31 <bnemec> #topic Ping list update 15:12:59 <bnemec> Final reminder that next week we'll be switching to the new ping list. 15:13:11 <bnemec> Looks like most people have re-upped for this cycle, so that's good to see. :-) 15:13:48 <bnemec> Of course, the ping list is always updatable, so if you miss the "deadline" it's not too late. 15:14:10 <bnemec> #topic Oslo core contact details 15:14:30 <bnemec> Just a reminder to please add contact details to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#The_Oslo_Team 15:14:52 <bnemec> This was part of the contributor docs goal so they know how to get ahold of the core team if necessary. 15:15:11 <bnemec> It's not mandatory, but it would be nice to have. 15:16:22 <bnemec> That's it for one-off topics. 15:16:23 <bnemec> #topic Weekly Wayward Review 15:16:36 <bnemec> #link https://review.opendev.org/716873 15:17:20 <smcginnis> Looks like that's pending responses to hberaud's comments. 15:17:22 <bnemec> Oh, I've seen that bug. 15:17:40 <bnemec> I feel like it indicated something else was wrong though. 15:18:45 <bnemec> Maybe we can just WIP it until hberaud's questions are answered. 15:18:57 <hberaud> +1 15:19:27 <hberaud> also if some of you have spare time please take a look to => https://review.opendev.org/#/c/730884/ 15:19:39 <bnemec> I wish I could remember what solved the issue for me. I'm pretty confident that just addressing the typeerror didn't actually accomplish much because it was a bogus log record. 15:19:57 <bnemec> But if it results in a more clear error maybe it's worth changing anyway. 15:21:17 <bnemec> Oh, eventlet. 15:21:34 <hberaud> yep... 15:22:33 <bnemec> hberaud: So this only fixed test_ssl_server? The others still seem to be skipped. 15:22:57 <hberaud> yep I'll address them trrough follow up patches 15:23:23 <hberaud> but I think the mechanism will be mostly the same for other tests 15:25:23 <bnemec> hberaud: Left a question on the review. Otherwise lgtm. 15:25:33 <hberaud> ack thanks 15:25:58 <bnemec> #topic Open discussion 15:26:11 <bnemec> Okay, that's it for the regular agenda. Anything else before we close it out? 15:26:15 <hberaud> yep, I know several discussions around eventlet switching have been in the past, but I think we should seriously ask us what to do with oslo.service/eventlet in our near future because the list of eventlet issue with recent versions of python is really huge... 15:27:00 <hberaud> eventlet have really difficulties to stay sync with recent python version 15:27:13 <hberaud> and we will facing issues too 15:27:18 <hberaud> (soon) 15:27:41 <bnemec> This isn't something the Oslo team can really decided. It affects all services that use eventlet. Which is...most of them. 15:27:44 <hberaud> like this bug ^^^ and the SSL issue with requests in a monkey patched env 15:28:04 <hberaud> yep I know 15:28:05 <smcginnis> I've seen a lot of people saying we should move away from eventlet, but does anyone know what an alternative would be? 15:28:16 <smcginnis> Might be worth starting a ML thread. 15:28:17 <hberaud> cotyledon 15:28:26 <hberaud> or a new version based on async 15:28:33 <bnemec> Yeah, I think this will need to be a list discussion. 15:28:50 <hberaud> rewrite from scratch... 15:29:03 <bnemec> Cotyledon isn't a drop-in replacement because it changes the threading model which is likely to break all kinds of things in services that assume green threads. 15:29:48 <bnemec> That's always been the problem with moving away from eventlet. It's going to be a huge amount of churn and will probably introduce all kinds of tricky concurrency bugs. 15:30:18 <hberaud> the goal is not to decide alone on oslo but rather try to trigger a move on this topic 15:30:54 <bnemec> Right, so can you start a mailing list thread that discusses the problems and possible options? 15:31:00 <hberaud> sure 15:31:05 <bnemec> Cool 15:31:20 <bnemec> #action hberaud to start mailing list thread about possibly dropping eventlet 15:32:01 <bnemec> Anything else? 15:32:17 <hberaud> nope 15:34:13 <bnemec> Going once... 15:34:33 <bnemec> twice... 15:34:49 <openstackgerrit> Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/oslo.service master: Fix some SSL tests for wsgi module under python 3 https://review.opendev.org/730884 15:34:54 <bnemec> Thanks for joining everyone! 15:34:56 <bnemec> #endmeeting