15:00:58 #startmeeting oslo 15:00:58 Courtesy ping for bnemec, jungleboyj, moguimar, hberaud, stephenfin, kgiusti, johnsom, e0ne, redrobot, bcafarel, smcginnis 15:00:58 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting 15:00:59 Meeting started Mon Jun 15 15:00:58 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bnemec. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01:04 The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' 15:01:05 o/ 15:01:07 o/ 15:01:09 o/ 15:01:21 o/ 15:01:22 o/ 15:01:47 o/ 15:02:10 p 15:02:15 o/, that is 15:02:30 :-) 15:03:22 #topic Red flags for/from liaisons 15:03:50 No issues from Octavia 15:03:58 No issues from Cinder. 15:04:21 none from Neutron 15:04:40 I can't remember anything on our side, but I had a 3 day weekend so I can't remember anything that happened last week. ;-) 15:05:41 :) 15:05:52 Barbican is fine too 15:06:45 Cool, glad to hear nothing is on fire. 15:06:48 #topic Releases 15:07:12 I released the stein backport of the oslo.log fix last week, so all of the supported releases should be fixed. 15:07:29 I believe hberaud also released a fix for oslo.utils. 15:07:50 right 4.2.1 15:09:26 Otherwise expect the usual set of releases for the week. 15:09:29 #topic Action items from last meeting 15:09:34 I'm waiting for reviews on backports for stables branches for the same fix 15:09:48 Sounds good, thanks 15:09:52 "bnemec to release Stein backport(s)" 15:09:55 Done 15:10:04 "Anyone who wants to continue receiving courtesy pings should add their name to the Victoria list on the agenda wiki" 15:10:18 This is ongoing, but it looks like we have a pretty solid list again so call it good progress. 15:10:24 #action Anyone who wants to continue receiving courtesy pings should add their name to the Victoria list on the agenda wiki 15:10:31 We'll leave it on for another week. 15:10:38 "bnemec send email about Victoria ping list" 15:10:48 Done. Twice actually. :-) 15:11:07 I had already sent one a few weeks ago. I sent a reminder too though. 15:11:18 "Oslo cores to fill out contact details on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#The_Oslo_Team" 15:11:31 Partially done. Thanks to everyone who has done that. 15:11:36 #action Oslo cores to fill out contact details on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#The_Oslo_Team 15:11:48 Leaving that one on the list for now too. 15:12:28 That's all of them. 15:12:31 #topic Ping list update 15:12:59 Final reminder that next week we'll be switching to the new ping list. 15:13:11 Looks like most people have re-upped for this cycle, so that's good to see. :-) 15:13:48 Of course, the ping list is always updatable, so if you miss the "deadline" it's not too late. 15:14:10 #topic Oslo core contact details 15:14:30 Just a reminder to please add contact details to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#The_Oslo_Team 15:14:52 This was part of the contributor docs goal so they know how to get ahold of the core team if necessary. 15:15:11 It's not mandatory, but it would be nice to have. 15:16:22 That's it for one-off topics. 15:16:23 #topic Weekly Wayward Review 15:16:36 #link https://review.opendev.org/716873 15:17:20 Looks like that's pending responses to hberaud's comments. 15:17:22 Oh, I've seen that bug. 15:17:40 I feel like it indicated something else was wrong though. 15:18:45 Maybe we can just WIP it until hberaud's questions are answered. 15:18:57 +1 15:19:27 also if some of you have spare time please take a look to => https://review.opendev.org/#/c/730884/ 15:19:39 I wish I could remember what solved the issue for me. I'm pretty confident that just addressing the typeerror didn't actually accomplish much because it was a bogus log record. 15:19:57 But if it results in a more clear error maybe it's worth changing anyway. 15:21:17 Oh, eventlet. 15:21:34 yep... 15:22:33 hberaud: So this only fixed test_ssl_server? The others still seem to be skipped. 15:22:57 yep I'll address them trrough follow up patches 15:23:23 but I think the mechanism will be mostly the same for other tests 15:25:23 hberaud: Left a question on the review. Otherwise lgtm. 15:25:33 ack thanks 15:25:58 #topic Open discussion 15:26:11 Okay, that's it for the regular agenda. Anything else before we close it out? 15:26:15 yep, I know several discussions around eventlet switching have been in the past, but I think we should seriously ask us what to do with oslo.service/eventlet in our near future because the list of eventlet issue with recent versions of python is really huge... 15:27:00 eventlet have really difficulties to stay sync with recent python version 15:27:13 and we will facing issues too 15:27:18 (soon) 15:27:41 This isn't something the Oslo team can really decided. It affects all services that use eventlet. Which is...most of them. 15:27:44 like this bug ^^^ and the SSL issue with requests in a monkey patched env 15:28:04 yep I know 15:28:05 I've seen a lot of people saying we should move away from eventlet, but does anyone know what an alternative would be? 15:28:16 Might be worth starting a ML thread. 15:28:17 cotyledon 15:28:26 or a new version based on async 15:28:33 Yeah, I think this will need to be a list discussion. 15:28:50 rewrite from scratch... 15:29:03 Cotyledon isn't a drop-in replacement because it changes the threading model which is likely to break all kinds of things in services that assume green threads. 15:29:48 That's always been the problem with moving away from eventlet. It's going to be a huge amount of churn and will probably introduce all kinds of tricky concurrency bugs. 15:30:18 the goal is not to decide alone on oslo but rather try to trigger a move on this topic 15:30:54 Right, so can you start a mailing list thread that discusses the problems and possible options? 15:31:00 sure 15:31:05 Cool 15:31:20 #action hberaud to start mailing list thread about possibly dropping eventlet 15:32:01 Anything else? 15:32:17 nope 15:34:13 Going once... 15:34:33 twice... 15:34:49 Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/oslo.service master: Fix some SSL tests for wsgi module under python 3 https://review.opendev.org/730884 15:34:54 Thanks for joining everyone! 15:34:56 #endmeeting