16:00:39 #startmeeting oslo 16:00:40 Meeting started Mon Jan 4 16:00:39 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hberaud. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:42 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:44 The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' 16:00:49 o/ 16:00:50 Courtesy ping for hberaud, stephenfin, moguimar, jungleboyj, bnemec, johnsom, bcafarel, kgiusti, gmann, valleedelisle 16:00:51 o/ 16:01:00 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting 16:01:02 * stephenfin lurks 16:01:24 o/ 16:01:26 o/ 16:01:54 o/ happy new year! 16:02:05 Let's start by saying happy new year! 16:02:17 Happy New Year! 16:02:20 yay 16:02:26 I wish you all the best for 2021! 16:02:28 Happy New Year! 16:02:46 happy happy joy joy! 16:04:03 So let's go! 16:04:05 #topic Red flags for/from liaisons 16:04:26 Nothing from Octavia/Designate (though I have been on vacation) 16:04:35 I saw a commen in the keystone channel that the new oslo.db release broke something. 16:04:38 *comment 16:05:13 nothing I'm aware of yet for Neutron 16:05:16 yes I seen related discussion on rpm-packaging too 16:05:39 I guess no topics from Barbican, we haven't had a meeting in weeks 16:06:22 however I'm not aware of the exact issue, bnemec any details? 16:07:07 I didn't really look at it yet. 16:07:14 ack np 16:07:39 Just passing it along since my oslo notification pinged me about it. :-) 16:07:46 lol 16:08:17 Ok I think we can move on for now 16:08:20 #topic Releases liaison 16:08:44 Nothing from my side, damani any update? 16:10:28 I guess most of us were on vacation, so I don't expect lot of activity today 16:10:37 Yep 16:10:41 #topic Security liaison 16:11:02 Nothing that I've seen, but I haven't gotten through all of my email yet. ;-) 16:11:12 +1 16:11:27 #topic TaCT SIG liaison 16:12:07 moguimar: any update? 16:12:21 no fires on my side 16:12:36 we've one topic that fit the TaCt SIG http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-December/019521.html 16:13:54 I started to address this one just before the christmas week, but now I need to rewind on it to see where we are now 16:14:41 else nothing else from my side here 16:15:03 Do we want to discuss that as a separate topic? It's a fairly significant discussion. 16:15:50 bnemec: Yes it could be worth 16:16:25 yes 16:16:31 and the cursive discussion too 16:16:37 let's finish the regular agenda 16:16:44 +1 16:16:48 #topic Action items from last meeting 16:17:01 nothing here 16:17:12 #topic Weekly Wayward Wallaby Review 16:18:06 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/oslo.config/+/687513 16:18:35 stephenfin: still relevant? ^ 16:18:45 * stephenfin looks 16:19:28 hberaud: I need to respin it. Nothing valuable there yet I'd say 16:19:38 ack np 16:19:52 #topic Open discussion 16:20:21 Anything else? 16:21:20 do we bring cursive and lowerconstraints now? 16:21:45 It would be nice to #topic those just for ease of finding in the future. 16:22:01 #topic hosting Cursive 16:22:30 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-December/019430.html 16:23:23 The barbican team agrees on hosting cursive under oslo and offers help likewise done to castellan 16:23:30 To bring a bit of context here, some people proposed to move the cursive lib under the openstack organization and especially under the oslo team 16:24:42 It makes sense to me. It's a common library that is closely associated with the Barbican team. 16:25:04 +1 16:26:11 moguimar: do you want to lead the officialization of this topic regarding oslo? 16:26:28 what do you need on my end? 16:27:46 moguimar: I think that it could be a simple official email in response on that thread by pointing that discussion 16:27:57 I presume I'd have to talk to people to move the project in opendev 16:28:21 ok 16:28:23 moguimar: IIRC someone already do that, but I'm not sure 16:28:35 I can send the email 16:29:28 moguimar: the goal here is mostly to speak in the behalf of oslo/barbican as you are transversal on these projects 16:29:37 moguimar: thanks 16:30:35 #action moguimar officializing oslo's position concerning the cursive migration 16:31:10 #topic Dropping lower-constraints testing 16:31:32 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-December/019521.html 16:32:22 So the goal was to find a way to manage the new pip resolver issues within oslo 16:33:31 Either we fix all our incompatibility between entries in our *requirements.txt or we drop them 16:34:07 As I mentioned in the channel before break, I think there is value to lower-constraints testing and I would like to keep it. But if it's going to take too much time to fix then it's academic and we have to remove it. 16:34:24 by removing the lower-constraints check 16:34:58 from what I remember from the discussion, keeping the lower-requirements consumes more time than the benefits it provides 16:35:07 due to the large number of repos 16:35:09 Has anyone managed to get a lower-constraints job working so we would have some idea what it will take? 16:35:46 I tried to fix few of them but we rapidly fall in the dependencies hell.... 16:37:27 I spent few hours with only few projects and the problem is that some fix should be depends-on of other... 16:37:46 o/ Sorry for being late. 16:38:03 Oh, so the problem isn't just fixing our lower-constraints, it's also that all of our deps have issues too? 16:38:06 by example with oslo.messaging that pull oslo.log etc... 16:38:57 so a deps X version on oslo.messaging should match a specific version on oslo.log etc... 16:39:06 s/deps/dep/ 16:40:02 and that on ~34 projects 16:40:45 I guess this isn't necessarily an either/or thing. We can always remove the jobs to unblock the repos now, and if someone wants to tackle the lower-constraints fixes later we can add them back. 16:40:59 So +1 from me to removal. 16:41:10 +1 16:41:10 is it feasible to have a single lower-constraints file to rule them all? 16:41:33 +1 16:42:35 hm maybe by adding a config-dep project pulled by all oslo projects... 16:42:37 yeah, I don't want to do that work so +1 from me too 16:42:45 moguimar: That's what we had, back in the day 16:42:47 iirc 16:43:30 or maybe not - the death of the openstack proposal bot came about around the same time lower-constraints jobs were introduced, but maybe they weren't the same thing 16:44:16 so if every participant agree with that I'll reply on the thread to summarize our discussion and continue to move further with that 16:45:51 #action hberaud confirm the drop of LC job on oslo by reply on the ML thread 16:46:15 #topic Open discussion 16:46:43 Anything else to discuss today? 16:48:41 OK, thanks everyone. Let's wrap up. 16:49:05 #endmeeting