14:05:01 <mrhillsman> #startmeeting osops 14:05:01 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Apr 10 14:05:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mrhillsman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:05:02 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:05:04 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'osops' 14:05:16 <mrhillsman> Good day everyone 14:05:24 <mrhillsman> #topic RollCall 14:05:42 <serverascode> morning :) 14:06:18 <mrhillsman> who is here for osops meeting? 14:06:37 <serverascode> me 14:06:39 <yankcrime> i am 14:07:10 <mrhillsman> awesome 14:07:22 <mrhillsman> izaakk raddaoui robputt_ around? 14:07:54 <izaakk> o/ 14:08:18 <mrhillsman> cool 14:08:29 <mrhillsman> will move on :) hopefully the rest will join in 14:08:49 <mrhillsman> agenda 14:08:52 <mrhillsman> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-meeting 14:09:12 <mrhillsman> #topic repo re-org status 14:09:33 <mrhillsman> izaakk do you mind brain dumping the discussion we had last week 14:10:08 <izaakk> Sure 14:10:10 <mrhillsman> iirc basically we are using #link https://github.com/osic/ops-generic as a model but ideally moving to a framework that is installable via pip 14:10:32 <mrhillsman> will follow the project team guide and project creator guide 14:10:46 <mrhillsman> leave current structure as is for the time being and work to integrate 14:11:12 <yankcrime> given monty had some pretty strong opinions on this in milan, is it worth engaging with him again to see if we can formalise his guidance / opinions? :) 14:11:17 <izaakk> What we discussed with Monty after our discussion in Milan was to use shade and os cloud config to communicate with the cloud, leaving the logic of the task or the tool outside of it 14:11:31 <mrhillsman> yeah @yankcrime we had an ad-hoc meeting with him 14:11:36 <yankcrime> ah, ok cool 14:11:54 <yankcrime> sounds good 14:12:19 <mrhillsman> i think, izaakk correct me if i am wrong, he is going to provide an example of what he suggests 14:12:34 <izaakk> yes! OSIC team is preparing a PoC at the same time we figure out the github/openstack thing 14:12:38 <izaakk> mrhillsman: correct 14:12:41 <mrhillsman> if not already done and we are working to get that moved to github 14:12:44 <mrhillsman> ok cool 14:12:44 <yankcrime> sweet 14:13:07 <mrhillsman> apologies, github/openstack :) 14:13:31 <izaakk> That's pretty much it, I think we will have more when the PoC is ready 14:13:44 <mrhillsman> so i think that is just a status update but we will have time to break it apart and agree/disagree once PoC is up 14:14:06 <mrhillsman> additionally if anyone is interested in discussing perfectly welcome to 14:14:33 <izaakk> +2 14:15:15 <mrhillsman> we will move all further discussions to openstack-operators and i will start an email thread so things are in the open :) 14:15:51 <mrhillsman> #action mrhillsman email thread for repo restructure to invite anyone interested in participating 14:16:19 <mrhillsman> #topic https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-catch-all 14:16:36 <mrhillsman> We discussed having a number of etherpads, i just created this one 14:17:13 <mrhillsman> hangouts ideas, project team guide suggestions, and general involvement in ops stuff 14:17:30 <mrhillsman> if anyone wants to add anything else feel free to 14:17:44 <mrhillsman> was thinking if required/necessary, we could branch off to other pads from this one 14:18:13 <mrhillsman> #action mrhillsman send to ML message about etherpad and encourage participation 14:18:21 <mrhillsman> ^ we can all do that i hope :) 14:18:37 <mrhillsman> but i am down with sending the initial email 14:18:42 <mrhillsman> unless someone else wants to :) 14:18:47 <yankcrime> will there be an etherpad of etherpads to keep track of all these? 14:18:56 <mrhillsman> :) 14:19:04 <mrhillsman> this is the one 14:20:13 <mrhillsman> #topic Operations Guide Assistance 14:20:26 <raddaoui> o/ 14:20:38 <mrhillsman> hey raddaoui 14:20:47 <mrhillsman> was talking with Docs PTL Alexandra Settle 14:20:52 <mrhillsman> http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/68 14:20:58 <mrhillsman> submitted this forum topic 14:21:22 <mrhillsman> she is wondering if operations and administration guides are even needed entirely or as they currently are 14:21:28 <mrhillsman> rather 14:21:56 <mrhillsman> if you can make it to the forum and this session does not overlap with one you plan on attending, please attend 14:22:08 <mrhillsman> if you cannot make it to the forum, would love some comments there 14:22:38 <raddaoui> I am not going to forum so will go with second option :) 14:22:58 <mrhillsman> :) 14:23:01 <serverascode> plus there is the arch guide 14:23:06 <serverascode> how does that fit in as well 14:23:11 <mrhillsman> +1 14:23:52 <serverascode> do they want to get rid of the admin and ops guides? 14:24:06 <mrhillsman> right now there is a lot of technical debt as i understand from her and rather than creating more, letting it pile on, or whatnot 14:24:34 <mrhillsman> something openstack-ansible team suggested during barcelona was - 'if we started from scratch, what would it look like' 14:24:38 <mrhillsman> maybe not that extreme 14:24:50 <mrhillsman> but i think it is more a matter of efficiency going forward 14:24:58 <serverascode> it seems like the arch guide is starting from scratch, there are no current docs on multistie for example 14:25:12 <mrhillsman> serverascode i do not think they want to get rid of them totally 14:25:44 <mrhillsman> we often try to get folks to participate heavily in the debt but maybe we should declare bankruptcy :) 14:25:45 <raddaoui> so will there be an etherpad for the sessions where we can comment 14:26:12 <mrhillsman> i was thinking that maybe i could provide the template like i did for ops midcycle @raddaoui 14:26:52 <serverascode> I think I get it :) but declaring bankrupcy is, not generally a good thing :) 14:26:56 <mrhillsman> will be a task because there are far more sessions but i could maybe use some script to create them :) 14:27:01 <mrhillsman> hehe 14:27:19 <mrhillsman> yeah, any ideas on go forward plan are welcome 14:28:33 <raddaoui> hehe I will start framing the points in the link in one of the etherpads 14:28:44 <mrhillsman> that's all i had on that, maybe if anyone feels up to fixing some bugs currently or going through some of those 3 mentioned (arch, admin, ops) 14:28:51 <mrhillsman> ok cool 14:29:08 <mrhillsman> #topic Open Discussion 14:29:49 <mrhillsman> i have nothing extra to discuss at this time 14:29:54 <mrhillsman> floor open to anyone else 14:30:20 <mrhillsman> oh, has anyone see the forum schedule? 14:31:05 <serverascode> yeah looked through it 14:31:07 <yankcrime> yup 14:31:31 <mrhillsman> cool, any suggestions concerns welcome, window is tight but still room to adjust 14:31:50 <mrhillsman> additionally we have the extra slots on thursday for any suggestions 14:33:27 <mrhillsman> welp, anything else? 14:33:42 <mrhillsman> can give everyone 20+ minutes back :) 14:34:46 <mrhillsman> alright, then :) 14:35:08 <mrhillsman> thanks everyone for joining 14:35:13 <mrhillsman> #endmeeting