16:01:33 <lbragstad> #startmeeting policy
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16:01:37 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'policy'
16:01:41 <lbragstad> ping antwash, raildo, ktychkova, dolphm, dstanek, rderose, htruta, atrmr, gagehugo, lamt, thinrichs, edmondsw, ruan, ayoung, ravelar, morgan, raj_singh, johnthetubaguy, knikolla
16:01:47 <lbragstad> agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-policy-meeting
16:01:52 <rderose> o/
16:01:55 * johnthetubaguy lurks at the back in case anything comes up
16:02:39 <lbragstad> i do have something for johnthetubaguy
16:02:48 <lbragstad> but for the most part, the agenda is pretty light
16:03:08 <lbragstad> so chances are this will be a quick meeting unless we have a bunch of open discussion
16:03:17 <johnthetubaguy> so we are starting to see the Nova docs land in our tree now
16:03:19 <johnthetubaguy> #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/sample_policy.html
16:04:02 <lbragstad> johnthetubaguy awesome
16:04:02 <johnthetubaguy> lbragstad: did you bump the requirements minimum to be that new version of oslo.policy?
16:04:14 <lbragstad> johnthetubaguy not yet - i have that as a topic today though
16:04:22 <johnthetubaguy> aunnam and sneti are doing all the good work
16:04:27 <johnthetubaguy> cool, +1 that then
16:04:30 <lbragstad> #topic announcements
16:04:59 <lbragstad> #topic announcements: keystone merged policy docs spec
16:05:22 <lbragstad> #info keystone is officially targeting policy-in-code and policy-docs for pike
16:05:55 <lbragstad> #topic announcement: oslo.policy release coming this week
16:06:23 <lbragstad> i'm waiting for two additional patches to get merged to oslo.policy before I propose an oslo.policy release
16:06:41 <lbragstad> but I'd expect both of them to merge today - so i can propose the release by EOD
16:06:42 <lbragstad> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448617/
16:06:47 <lbragstad> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448139
16:07:03 <lbragstad> those ^ are just adding docs about DocumentedRuleDefault and a release note
16:07:44 <lbragstad> remember that we can't do releases on Friday, so we should get those reviewed and merged today sometime so we can plan for a release tomorrow at the absolute latest
16:08:10 <lbragstad> that's all i have for announcements
16:08:11 <lbragstad> #topic Policy at the Forum
16:08:18 <lbragstad> johnthetubaguy do you know if there is going to be anything specific to policy at the forum?
16:08:27 <lbragstad> feedback sessions? design sessions?
16:09:00 <lbragstad> I go back and forth on what to do about sessions at the forum because I think we're (keystone) going to have really *really* light developer attendance
16:10:12 <johnthetubaguy> good question
16:10:29 <johnthetubaguy> I think we should do something in the VM BM working group, if possible
16:10:50 <johnthetubaguy> looking at the Nova, Ironic, Cinder, Neutron, Keystone platform as a whole
16:10:51 <lbragstad> that's a good idea
16:11:11 <lbragstad> can anyone propose sessions for various groups/projects?
16:11:20 <johnthetubaguy> I think we got a little bit into this because we individually got ops feedback on issues folks were facing
16:13:22 <lbragstad> I have a policy section documented in the keystone brainstorming wiki
16:13:26 <lbragstad> but - that's about it
16:13:49 <lbragstad> johnthetubaguy is there a brainstorming wiki for the VM/BM group?
16:14:06 <lbragstad> s/wiki/etherpad/
16:14:47 <johnthetubaguy> there is
16:15:16 <johnthetubaguy> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-TC-vm-baremetal-platform
16:15:31 <lbragstad> awesome - i'll take a stab at filling some policy info into that
16:15:39 <lbragstad> and if we want to use it to propose a session we can
16:16:02 <johnthetubaguy> so it may not get picked, I think a deep dive into the top 5 issues or so is best, but good to have the info there I think
16:16:11 <lbragstad> ++
16:16:36 <lbragstad> if it doesn't that's fine, we can propose a keystone specific session for it and open it up to other groups too
16:16:43 <lbragstad> if we need to
16:17:11 <johnthetubaguy> there are no project specific tracks at the forum though
16:17:48 <lbragstad> so - the email thread on the mailing list wants projects to brainstorm ideas for the forum and propose them as sessions
16:18:09 <johnthetubaguy> yeah, you could have a project specific or topic specific session
16:18:12 <lbragstad> are they suppose to be project specific or are they suppose to be more cross-project forcused?
16:18:26 <johnthetubaguy> maybe policy is worth having I guess
16:18:43 <lbragstad> i can follow up on that
16:18:48 <johnthetubaguy> both are allowed I believe
16:18:52 <lbragstad> ok
16:19:26 <lbragstad> i think that's all I had related to policy and the form
16:19:28 <lbragstad> forum*
16:19:56 <lbragstad> is anyone from this group planning on going to the forum?
16:20:14 <lbragstad> (in case we do end up having policy discussions there)
16:21:01 <edmondsw> I am trying to get there. No final word yet
16:21:15 <edmondsw> I would definitely attend the policy session assuming I make it
16:21:31 <lbragstad> edmondsw from what i've heard, it sounds like a lot of folks are in that boat
16:21:42 <edmondsw> I'm cautiously optimistic
16:21:58 <lbragstad> anyone else?
16:22:50 <lbragstad> alright - we can move on
16:22:55 <lbragstad> #topic reviews
16:22:58 <johnthetubaguy> edmondsw: similar vibes for me too
16:23:12 <edmondsw> ++
16:23:19 <lbragstad> if you're looking for policy reviews - we have a bunch up
16:23:21 <lbragstad> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448617/
16:23:27 <lbragstad> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448139
16:23:36 <lbragstad> ^ both of those are needed for a new release of oslo.policy
16:23:42 <lbragstad> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:bp/policy-in-code
16:23:54 <lbragstad> ^ the entire implementation for policy-in-code for keystone
16:24:18 <lbragstad> johnthetubaguy is there anything you need policy eyes on from a nova perspective?
16:27:27 <lbragstad> if not - we can move on
16:27:32 <lbragstad> #topic open discussion
16:27:49 <lbragstad> anyone have anything related to policy they'd like to discuss?
16:29:13 <lbragstad> let's call it early and give folks some time back
16:29:17 <lbragstad> thanks for coming!
16:29:20 <lbragstad> #endmeeting