16:00:18 <lbragstad> #startmeeting policy
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16:00:24 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'policy'
16:00:28 <lbragstad> ping raildo, ktychkova, rderose, htruta, hrybacki, atrmr, gagehugo, lamt, thinrichs, edmondsw, ruan_he, ayoung, kmalloc, raj_singh, johnthetubaguy, knikolla, nhelgeson
16:00:36 <lbragstad> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-policy-meeting
16:00:39 <lbragstad> agenda ^
16:00:42 <hrybacki> o/
16:00:44 <lbragstad> o/
16:01:04 <lbragstad> we'll give it a minute for folks to trickle in
16:02:43 <knikolla> o/
16:03:04 <lbragstad> knikolla: have you recovered from the jet lag yet?
16:03:49 <edmondsw> \o
16:04:06 <knikolla> Not yet, I’m naturally terrible at sleep schedules
16:04:13 <lbragstad> lol
16:04:49 <lbragstad> yeah - i've had a couple late nights catching up on things since being home so i can't tell if it's jet lag or just exhaustion in general
16:05:14 <hrybacki> you've got a few things on your plate right now lbragstad haha
16:05:28 <lbragstad> :)
16:05:33 <lbragstad> looks like there are only a few of us
16:05:51 <lbragstad> we can either continue here or hop into a hangout if folks want to recap policy discussions from the summit
16:06:00 <lbragstad> if people think that'd be a useful
16:06:09 <lbragstad> i hrybacki wasn't there
16:06:09 * hrybacki would be lying if he said he wasn't multitasking
16:06:16 <lbragstad> i know*
16:06:20 <hrybacki> but that might be a good recap
16:06:26 <hrybacki> I was reading your post earlier lbragstad
16:06:50 <hrybacki> glad to hear operators were digging in. Sounds like there was general buy in to the roadmap?
16:07:01 <lbragstad> yeah - there were no strong objections
16:07:06 <lbragstad> i felt it was a good discussion
16:07:15 <lbragstad> it generated dialog, which i thought was a good sign
16:07:29 <lbragstad> edmondsw: knikolla might have different opinions though
16:07:49 <edmondsw> I was pleased with the level of interest
16:08:09 <edmondsw> we'll see how things go with implementation...
16:08:25 <lbragstad> i thought the fact that people were naturally asking questions was proof that they were understand it and walking through the steps of the roadmap
16:08:49 <lbragstad> in other news - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509909/
16:08:52 <lbragstad> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509909/ merged
16:08:52 <edmondsw> what roadmap we have... we talked about a lot of things that need to happen but aren't on a roadmap yet
16:09:04 <lbragstad> edmondsw: yes - which is another thing to bring up
16:09:11 <lbragstad> how do we want to capture that information?
16:09:21 <lbragstad> in *another* trello board?
16:09:30 <hrybacki> in whatever fashion but as soon as posible. Was that session recorded by chance?
16:09:30 <lbragstad> or do we wait until we migrate to storyboard and use an epic?
16:09:49 <lbragstad> hrybacki: unfortunately not - that was a forum session, which typically aren't recorded
16:09:55 <edmondsw> I'll defer to you on where to capture it, so long as it is captured
16:10:10 <hrybacki> perhaps folks can dump info into an etherpad to start?
16:10:18 <edmondsw> there was plenty of stuff that's not on our roadmap that came up during our recorded session as well, though
16:10:20 * hrybacki is concerned with mental 'bit rot'
16:10:29 <lbragstad> yeah...
16:10:37 <hrybacki> that's good! Better now than before we pigeon hole ourselves
16:10:53 <edmondsw> e.g. the need to go through and remove hardcoded checks for admin role
16:11:01 * hrybacki nods
16:11:10 <lbragstad> consistency for http_check
16:11:11 <edmondsw> I was working on that some on the plane... and it's gonna be harder than I was hoping
16:11:21 <edmondsw> (the admin hardcoding I mean)
16:11:26 <lbragstad> yeah
16:11:48 <lbragstad> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-PTG-keystone-policy-roadmap
16:12:01 <lbragstad> we can create a new section there i suppose
16:12:16 <edmondsw> jamielennox mentioned that he has a patch up for tempest to stop assuming admin can do things outside his project... we should find and drive that
16:18:32 <edmondsw> in case anyone is wondering, we're typing in the etherpad...
16:18:43 <lbragstad> ++
16:20:24 * hrybacki is watching
16:23:06 <lbragstad> edmondsw: what else did we put in the "other policy work" camp?
16:24:08 <edmondsw> trying to think... already getting fuzzy
16:44:30 <lbragstad> i think that's about all i have or that i can remember at the moment
16:44:38 <edmondsw> me too
16:44:42 <edmondsw> I think this service-token discussion is one that we need to have with a wider audience at the next PTG
16:44:44 <lbragstad> #topic open discussion
16:44:51 <lbragstad> yeah
16:45:10 <hrybacki> quite the info dump y'all
16:45:19 <edmondsw> I think at the last PTG someone had some different ideas on this, but I can't remember what that was now
16:45:39 <lbragstad> yeah - ideally each of those need to be looked at and organized
16:46:09 <lbragstad> (does this fit with admin-ness per 968696, or does it correlate to a separate policy theme that should belong in a new roadmap)
16:47:11 <edmondsw> I think the only one of those that really goes with 968696 is Jamie's patch
16:47:18 <lbragstad> yeah
16:47:50 <lbragstad> also - assuming those will result in a roadmap or roadmaps might be getting the cart in front of the horse
16:48:03 <lbragstad> maybe they are just things to work on that don't necessarily need a roadmap
16:48:26 <lbragstad> i think the roadmap made sense for the admin-ness 968696 issue because it's such a massive amount of work that spans several releases
16:49:58 <edmondsw> I was thinking a "custom rbac" roadmap would be useful, and these would all go into that (other than jamie's)
16:50:09 <lbragstad> that's true
16:50:17 <edmondsw> just because as a bunch of one-offs it'll be hard not to let things slip through our fingers
16:50:41 <lbragstad> a few of these can be worked i parallel too
16:51:06 <edmondsw> yep
16:51:14 <lbragstad> 9 minutes left
16:51:55 <lbragstad> does anyone have anything else?
16:52:22 <hrybacki> noep
16:52:27 <lbragstad> do we want to continue with the aws iam things next week?
16:52:33 <lbragstad> or start tinkering with google?
16:52:42 <lbragstad> from an identity management perspective?
16:52:46 <hrybacki> day before thanksgiving, think folks may be travelling?
16:52:51 <lbragstad> ahh - yes
16:52:58 <hrybacki> pick it up the following week?
16:53:03 <lbragstad> sure
16:53:14 <hrybacki> +1
16:53:15 <lbragstad> do we want to continue the research effort of looking into other systems?
16:53:26 <hrybacki> I think we should yes
16:53:36 <lbragstad> cool
16:53:52 <lbragstad> we should update the mailing list on the status of things
16:54:34 <lbragstad> i can make a point to send a note sometime today
16:54:44 <lbragstad> also - i'll be out tomorrow and friday
16:54:57 <hrybacki> good luck with things lbragstad
16:55:05 <lbragstad> i might not be close to a computer, but i should be available via twitter if anyone needs me
16:55:10 <lbragstad> hrybacki: thanks!
16:56:09 <lbragstad> looks like we can wrap things up
16:56:19 <lbragstad> thanks for coming - thanks for the information dump edmondsw
16:56:23 <lbragstad> #endmeeting