19:00:44 <amitgandhinz> #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting
19:00:45 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Feb  5 19:00:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:00:53 <amitgandhinz> #topic RollCall
19:00:56 <tonytan4ever> o/
19:01:03 <mpanetta> o/
19:01:12 <amitgandhinz> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy
19:01:57 <obulpathi> o/
19:02:07 <megan_w_> hi all o/
19:02:09 <sriram> _/\_
19:02:13 <sriram> o/
19:02:31 <catherineR> o/
19:02:51 <mpanetta> /\o/\
19:04:01 <amitgandhinz> #topic last Week Review
19:04:06 <amitgandhinz> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-01-29-18.59.html
19:04:27 <amitgandhinz> ok only one action item from last week - and that was to review teh provider getting started guide
19:04:31 <amitgandhinz> anyone do that?
19:04:59 <amitgandhinz> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Poppy/Provider_-_Getting_Started#Building_a_Provider_Driver
19:05:10 <sriram> I saw parts of it, need to go through them in detail.
19:05:21 <amitgandhinz> cool
19:05:43 <amitgandhinz> i havent received any feedback, so please send it my way (or make the modifications if needed)
19:06:09 <amitgandhinz> ok nothing else from last week
19:06:26 <amitgandhinz> #topic Updates on K3
19:06:30 <amitgandhinz> #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-3
19:07:43 <amitgandhinz> ok, only looks like one bug is assigned to miqui
19:08:04 <amitgandhinz> miqui has a meeting conflict so isnt here today
19:08:20 <amitgandhinz> anybody else working on any bugs currently?
19:08:46 <amitgandhinz> ok, moving on to Blueprints
19:09:05 <amitgandhinz> tonytan4ever: Message Queue Driver (should rename this to Taskflow Driver)
19:09:28 <tonytan4ever> TaskFlow driver itself is done, so it's under review.
19:10:07 <tonytan4ever> Now I am trying to work on breaking functions into TF tasks to apply retry/revert features to them.
19:10:14 <sriram> There's also a dependent patch on it, which breaks up the tasks into simpler units.
19:10:24 <sriram> tonytan4ever beat me to it. :P
19:10:52 <amitgandhinz> ok cool
19:10:56 <tonytan4ever> See:　　　https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151004/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152987/
19:11:33 <amitgandhinz> ok will review it soon
19:12:43 <amitgandhinz> malini: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/conformance-tests
19:12:47 <amitgandhinz> any progress on this?
19:12:50 <amitgandhinz> and welcome back =)
19:12:51 <malini> havent started on tht yet :/
19:13:29 <amitgandhinz> do you think you will be able to soon?  we need this to enable providers to build their own drivers
19:13:46 <amitgandhinz> else i can remove your name from it
19:14:04 <malini> can you remove my name for now? I will grab it later if I can
19:14:33 <amitgandhinz> ok
19:14:59 <amitgandhinz> amitgandhinz: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/cookie-rules
19:15:08 <amitgandhinz> ok i havent done anything around this either
19:15:12 <amitgandhinz> im going to remove my name from it for now
19:15:34 <amitgandhinz> miqui: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/home-doc
19:15:59 <amitgandhinz> miqui sent an update on the normal channel
19:16:10 <amitgandhinz> he is working on this and will have a first pass to review shortly
19:16:24 <amitgandhinz> obulpathi: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/mimic-racksapce-dns
19:16:41 <obulpathi> I did not make any progress on thsi
19:16:52 <obulpathi> but, I would like to keep my name
19:16:55 <amitgandhinz> ok
19:17:03 <amitgandhinz> i'll keep it as is
19:17:07 <obulpathi> thanks :)
19:17:14 <amitgandhinz> any other stories above being worked on?
19:18:12 <sriram> I'm just working on familiarity with the project, and taskflow stuff with tonytan4ever.
19:18:27 <malini> & fixing all our READMEs :)
19:18:37 <sriram> pretty soon, can actually start getting some work done ;)
19:18:45 <sriram> malini: lol
19:18:49 <amitgandhinz> haha, awesome sriram
19:18:53 <obulpathi> welcome to Poppy sriram :)
19:19:12 <sriram> :)
19:19:13 <amitgandhinz> #topic New Items
19:19:21 <amitgandhinz> ok i just added a new item to discuss
19:19:26 <amitgandhinz> Openstack Vancouver!
19:19:41 <amitgandhinz> https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/call-for-speakers/
19:19:59 <amitgandhinz> so a submission has to be made by Feb 9
19:20:06 <amitgandhinz> which is Monday!!!!
19:20:07 <amitgandhinz> eeek
19:20:18 <sriram> whoa, thats really close.
19:20:21 <megan_w_> eeek indeed!
19:20:39 <megan_w_> do you want to talk about options now?
19:21:15 <amitgandhinz> I created this etherpad - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Poppy_Vancouver
19:21:57 <amitgandhinz> yeh we should talk about what we want to talk about
19:22:14 <amitgandhinz> i need to submit this by Monday, so nows probably a good chance to talk about it
19:22:44 <megan_w_> i think it should be something that would interest people who weren't necessarily CDN people
19:22:55 <megan_w_> is there something different or interesting about the way we're doing poppy?
19:23:04 <amitgandhinz> not really
19:23:15 <megan_w_> (i'm proposing this as an additonal topic, not to replace the one you've suggested)
19:23:19 <amitgandhinz> its a driver model (which is fairly common across openstack)
19:23:20 <malini> you just crushed our ego amitgandhinz!
19:23:32 <sriram> heh
19:23:33 <amitgandhinz> except we integrate with partner api's
19:23:48 <amitgandhinz> others integrate with hardware api's (or vitual software api's)
19:23:57 <amitgandhinz> we are similar to designate in that regard
19:24:13 <sriram> we also need to focus on getting more providers to support and build drivers?
19:24:17 <megan_w_> might be cool to talk about working with providers (who are competitors ) on a common framework
19:24:23 <sriram> megan_w_: +1
19:24:29 <malini> +1
19:24:30 <obulpathi> +1
19:24:31 <tonytan4ever> +1
19:24:34 <amitgandhinz> i think the goal of the talk should be on exposing Poppy
19:24:39 <amitgandhinz> the partnerships
19:24:59 <amitgandhinz> do we want to talk about the deployment of Poppy on Rackspace?
19:25:00 <megan_w_> maybe a panel of us, come of our vendors, and perhaps the desegnate guys
19:25:21 <megan_w_> amitgandhinz: i worry it might come off too marketing-ish
19:25:32 <malini> megan_w_: you make a lot of sense
19:25:40 <megan_w_> it would be more compelling to the poppy story if we were using multiple providers
19:25:42 <malini> the whole intent of Openstack is vendor neutral cloud, rt?
19:25:47 <amitgandhinz> ya
19:26:27 <sriram> that means we need more providers, to be viewed as vendor neutral.
19:26:33 <sriram> idk just thinking out loud.
19:26:39 <megan_w_> the session i'm proposing wouldn't be technical, perhaps more conversational
19:26:40 <amitgandhinz> poppy has drivers for fastly, akamai, maxcdn
19:26:49 <megan_w_> drivers, but not participants :)
19:26:52 <amitgandhinz> ya
19:26:58 <megan_w_> that should be a :(
19:27:17 <amitgandhinz> and we dont have that to a level we can talk about yet
19:27:33 <megan_w_> but we have 5 months to work on it!
19:27:35 <obulpathi> can we add a little bit on how we do anync stuff?
19:27:44 <amitgandhinz> taskflow?
19:27:51 <obulpathi> btw .. this will be completely technical right?
19:27:55 <malini> tht is an openstack thing -rt.
19:28:02 <malini> so nothing new there :(
19:28:13 <amitgandhinz> it can be technical details, or it can be marketing-ish
19:28:23 <obulpathi> ok
19:28:28 <amitgandhinz> one part of the audience is design summit attendees (tech stackers)
19:28:36 <amitgandhinz> the other half is sales, operators, etc
19:28:39 <obulpathi> ok
19:28:56 <megan_w_> let me write up the "multiple vendors on a common platform" proposal.  we'll see if it looks good enough to submit
19:29:01 <obulpathi> so may be an evolution of how we went from long latencies to async API
19:29:12 <amitgandhinz> lets figure out what the aim of our talk is
19:29:23 <obulpathi> backend as cassandra with no downtime and schema updates
19:29:29 <obulpathi> ok
19:29:38 <megan_w_> amitgandhinz: my biggest goal would be to get another operator using poppy
19:29:42 <amitgandhinz> i feel talking about cassandra is opening up a hornets nest lol
19:29:48 <obulpathi> hahha
19:29:51 <amitgandhinz> not every operator is willing to deploy cassandra
19:30:02 <mpanetta> Really?
19:30:07 <amitgandhinz> its more over head
19:30:15 <amitgandhinz> they already manage a mysql cluster
19:30:23 <amitgandhinz> why deploy mongo or cassandra
19:30:24 <mpanetta> Ah
19:30:27 <amitgandhinz> requires expertise
19:30:33 <megan_w_> amitgandhinz: you saw my goal.  what's your goal for the talks?
19:30:45 <sriram> I think thats where the sqlalchemy blueprint comes in.
19:30:55 <amitgandhinz> my goal is to bring awareness to Poppy and increase community participation
19:30:56 <amitgandhinz> sriram: ya
19:31:22 <amitgandhinz> so i think megan_w_ our goals are aligned
19:31:26 <megan_w_> the awarness piece can come from anything then...technical or non technical
19:31:43 <amitgandhinz> i think operators need to know poppy exists and what it can do for them
19:31:51 <amitgandhinz> but that turns into marketing speak
19:31:53 <megan_w_> just people knowing what we're doing creates awareness.  the participation part is different
19:32:02 <megan_w_> but there is place for it in the conference
19:32:17 <megan_w_> by the way, might be interesting to talk about logging/reporting in openstack
19:32:28 <megan_w_> getting services "billing ready"
19:32:32 <amitgandhinz> big data / sahara
19:32:58 <amitgandhinz> that opens another can of worms around ceilometer when discussing reporting for billing
19:33:24 <malini> is there anything we can talk abt without opening a can of worms :/
19:33:45 <amitgandhinz> so ideas so far are ...
19:33:52 <amitgandhinz> 1.  marketing speech on poppy
19:34:00 <amitgandhinz> 2.  architecture of poppy and challenges faced
19:34:16 <amitgandhinz> 3.  supporting multiple vendor api's on a common platform
19:34:28 <obulpathi> lets write the ideas to the etherpad
19:34:37 <megan_w_> bam :)
19:34:39 <obulpathi> you beat me :(
19:34:45 <amitgandhinz> =P
19:36:17 <obulpathi> is HP or any other provider deploying or planning to deploy Poppy?
19:37:41 <megan_w_> obulpathi:  not that we know of
19:38:05 <obulpathi> megan_w_: oh ok
19:42:59 <mpanetta> Did everyone just drop off the face of the earth?
19:43:15 <tonytan4ever> We are all here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Poppy_Vancouver
19:43:36 <amitgandhinz> #link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Poppy_Vancouver
19:46:06 <mpanetta> sriram: The colors in 4 make it look like you are talking to yourself (and you are in the user list twice heh)
19:46:19 <sriram> oh, really.
19:46:22 <sriram> didnt realise it.
19:46:34 <sriram> must have joined it twice :P
19:46:44 <mpanetta> sriram: Or someone stole your name :P
19:46:55 <sriram> heh
19:47:35 <megan_w_> amitgandhinz: time warning, 13 minutes left in meeting
19:47:52 <amitgandhinz> there is no other agenda items
19:47:55 <megan_w_> ah, ok
19:47:55 <sriram> mpanetta: that should be fixed now, cant change the other name. :/
19:47:58 <amitgandhinz> so lets do this for the remainder of time
19:48:09 <obulpathi> ok
19:48:13 <mpanetta> sriram: haha now you are real :P
19:48:33 <amitgandhinz> how do i differentiate between TheSriram and "the real sriram"
19:48:37 <amitgandhinz> as there can only be one
19:48:52 <sriram> amitgandhinz: not another sriram… nooooooo
19:48:56 <mpanetta> amitgandhinz: You don't you just need to cut one of their heads off
19:49:10 * sriram ducks his head and runs away
19:49:16 <malini> which one?
19:49:20 <obulpathi> ahahhaa
19:49:21 <amitgandhinz> mpanetta needs to watch ramayan
19:49:28 <malini> :D
19:49:29 <sriram> that is the question.
19:49:32 <obulpathi> ramramyaan
19:49:35 <mpanetta> Ooo what's that?
19:49:37 <obulpathi> two rams :P
19:49:52 <malini> https://yogyom.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/ravan.jpg
19:50:01 <amitgandhinz> this meeting is gone downhill
19:50:09 <sriram> haha
19:50:13 <malini> amitgandhinz: u hurt my religous feelings
19:50:17 <obulpathi> is he using stevedore?
19:50:21 <obulpathi> he got so many heads?
19:50:53 <malini> back to Vancouver
19:51:03 <amitgandhinz> yes please
19:51:51 <amitgandhinz> so my thoughts are around (1) which covers topics suggested ine 2 and 3
19:52:02 <amitgandhinz> keeps it a bit high level
19:52:04 <amitgandhinz> talks about poppy
19:52:08 <amitgandhinz> talks about architecture
19:52:11 <amitgandhinz> talks about challenges
19:52:18 <amitgandhinz> and talks about partners
19:54:15 <amitgandhinz> ok 6 min left
19:54:18 <amitgandhinz> lets wrap it up
19:54:29 <megan_w_> i worry something too generic won't attract people
19:55:02 <amitgandhinz> if we do "using docker and mimic with Poppy CDN"
19:55:14 <amitgandhinz> and then talk about poppy, arch, and partners
19:55:27 <amitgandhinz> and then cover where docker helps in local deployment and testing
19:55:33 <megan_w_> love it
19:55:34 <amitgandhinz> and mimic helps with provider conformance
19:55:36 <megan_w_> now we're talking
19:55:43 <amitgandhinz> and docker and mimic are buzzwords to get ppl in
19:55:48 <malini> we really need to talk abt partners to explain why mimic fits in
19:55:52 <amitgandhinz> ya
19:55:52 <megan_w_> i was just going to say buzz works
19:57:10 <amitgandhinz> ok, i'll tidy things up, and get feedback before i submit it on monday
19:57:20 <amitgandhinz> #topic Open Discussion
19:57:29 <amitgandhinz> 3 min to talk about anything else (important)
19:57:32 <malini> we can add our ideas to the etherpad in the next couple of days, rt?
19:57:35 <amitgandhinz> ya
19:57:56 <sriram> cool, lets keep this in the back of our heads, and keep adding things that come to mind.
19:58:13 <amitgandhinz> sounds good
19:58:56 <amitgandhinz> ok anythign else to discuss?
19:59:00 <amitgandhinz> 1 min left
19:59:02 <malini> nothing from me
19:59:02 <amitgandhinz> nows your chance
19:59:04 <amitgandhinz> going once
19:59:06 <sriram> im good.
19:59:07 <obulpathi> nothing from me
19:59:15 <amitgandhinz> thanks everyone
19:59:21 <amitgandhinz> #endmeeting