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23:01:33 <sarob> Hey everyone
23:01:50 <sarob> I sent my updates just now to the mailing list
23:02:09 <barrett1> Saw your email sarob
23:02:32 <sarob> Barrett1: can you run the meeting in my place this time?
23:02:43 <barrett1> I updated the workflow diagram per the last meeting
23:02:56 <barrett1> Yes, but not too familiar with the # stuff
23:03:02 <sarob> I'll pop back in 30 minutes
23:03:06 <barrett1> OK
23:03:45 <sarob> New job stuff ;)
23:04:06 <barrett1> I saw that - Congrats
23:05:12 <mscohen> sarob: congrats!
23:05:49 <barrett1> who's here for the product WG meeting?
23:06:13 <mscohen> i am.  actually wanted to rally troops to help on summit talk on socialization
23:06:25 <rolandchan> I am.
23:06:51 <barrett1> mscohen: let's cover that as part of the Summit agenda item
23:07:16 <barrett1> I also wanted to share the work I've been doing on creating a rolling upgrade matrix
23:08:33 <barrett1> Let's start the meeting
23:09:22 <barrett1> 1st topic: Review Summit Presentation  Planning
23:09:40 <barrett1> mscohen - can you give an update?
23:09:44 <mscohen> sure
23:09:52 <mscohen> we got a slot for the socialization talk
23:10:09 <mscohen> and we actually have a lot of the feedback already from PTLs.
23:10:35 <mscohen> Thing is — its either very low level or doesn’t really look as far out as we hoped
23:10:37 <barrett1> Who is the target auduence for the session? PTLs? Developers? Operators?
23:11:07 <mscohen> Users / Operators was my idea.  But open to input from others
23:11:26 <mscohen> I was thinking we could some of this talk to also introduce hte product group?
23:11:32 <mscohen> our mission, etc?
23:11:38 <mscohen> the time is right at the beginning of the summit
23:11:56 <barrett1> I think introducing the team, mission,  goals is good start
23:12:25 <barrett1> We should also plan to plug other sessions that are related - Telco Workgroup, Win The Enterprise, etc.
23:12:48 <barrett1> We target Operators/Users to gather requirements and write use cases
23:12:54 <mscohen> yes, i was thinking we could start by introducing group, then offer feedback we got, then talk about the other other stuff group is doing
23:13:16 <mscohen> timewise, I think we can do that
23:13:26 <barrett1> For the PTLs/Developers seems like we want to have a discussion on how the roadmap works within the development model
23:13:32 <barrett1> how much time do you have?
23:13:38 <mscohen> i think its 45 minutes
23:13:44 <mscohen> standard size slot
23:13:58 <mscohen> but the feedback readout really wont take a lot of that
23:14:20 <mscohen> at least i don’t know it makes sense to go feature by feature.
23:14:36 <mscohen> people will start to leave or throw tomatoes
23:14:51 <dttocs> Agreed, especially since we got quite varied feedback depending on the project/PTL
23:15:04 <barrett1> We could use this session to introduce the group, walk through the process, walk through use case template, walk through draft roadmap (I'm not sure about this though)
23:15:32 <barrett1> We'd be looking for feedback and people to commit to helping write use cases that can populate the roadmap
23:15:55 <mscohen> yeah, thats what i ws thinking.  we can expand the scope here to cover more of what we ard doing.
23:16:04 <barrett1> Then use the follow-up work group meeting to actually work with folks to write use cases, have deeper discussion on process, etc... ?
23:16:21 <dttocs> I think we do want to do some stuff around the socialization - sorry I've been MIA, but we could try chasing down the missing PTLs and get more extensive feedback?
23:16:30 <dttocs> Not sure it's that valuable though
23:16:56 <barrett1> I do think it would be good to complete the draft roadmap for all projects.
23:17:34 <barrett1> We're only missing a couple: Nova, Trove, Ceilometer, I think...
23:17:46 <barrett1> Maybe Ironic too
23:17:47 <mscohen> i talked to michael still about nova
23:17:52 <mscohen> we’re missing cinder
23:18:08 <dttocs> I'll chase Ironic again now that I'm back
23:18:42 <mscohen> i will work on the cinder one.
23:18:43 <barrett1> I saw something in the socialization etherpad for Cinder. It's in the draft roadmap: https://docs.google.com/a/intel.com/presentation/d/1396hSpQuOYM-XbLenkY1HzNCwiWsk-uN42eofpTbOUY/edit#slide=id.g6394726ba_04
23:19:23 <barrett1> mscohen - Can you draft the content flow for the Summit and we can look at it in next meeting?
23:19:46 <mscohen> yes
23:20:11 <barrett1> Thanks - if you create a google doc, you can always send out ahead of time for others to review/add content too
23:20:18 <Shamail_> Hi everyone, sorry for being late. mscohen didn't you also post an etherpad for the content flow/ownership?  I can't find it.
23:20:41 <mscohen> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-product-management-socialization
23:21:22 <barrett1> Ready for the next topic? Product WG Plans for Summit?
23:21:27 <Shamail_> Awesome.
23:22:09 <Shamail_> Sounds good to me.
23:22:15 <barrett1> OK - Sean has requested a room for us, near the WTE meeting room
23:22:54 <Shamail_> Nice.  Do we have any agenda items that we want to discuss yet?
23:23:07 <barrett1> I think we should have a cross team discussion with them, as well as Telco WG and any others that we can identify as working around roadmap items
23:23:43 <Shamail> I would like to use some of the time, if possible, to discuss and outline the plan between Vancouver and Tokyo.  Identify action items to be ready by the desired timeframe.
23:23:55 <barrett1> completely agree
23:24:01 <Shamail> +1 barrett1
23:24:22 <Shamail> We can use some of the time for cross team discussions and an overview of the concept as a whole
23:25:00 <barrett1> +1 and give the other teams some timelines for providing use cases for the 1st rev of the roadmap?
23:25:29 <Shamail> +1
23:26:14 <Shamail> Do we know how long we will have the room?
23:26:21 <barrett1> Not sure how long the session is ,but assume 55 mins. Maybe spend 30 mins with the cross groups, and 30 mins with Product WG only?
23:27:03 <Shamail> Sounds great.  Would people be interested in a separate session?
23:27:10 <barrett1> I actually think we could use 2 sessions - 1 with other teams, operators, etc and 1 with our work group team to set next steps.
23:27:21 <Shamail> I have a meeting room that can fit up to 12 that is be happy to leverage for a longer WG discussion
23:27:22 <barrett1> +1 shamail
23:27:24 <rolandchan> I think we'll need one.
23:27:32 <Shamail> I think planning for Tokyo will be more than 30 min ;)
23:27:49 <barrett1> +1 shmail
23:28:06 <barrett1> sorry -  shamail
23:28:12 <Shamail> Let's put up a doodle poll for time preferences.  I'll block the meeting room I have.  It will be cozy if we have more than 12.
23:28:38 <barrett1> We can also see if there are other rooms available from the Foundation folks
23:29:00 <barrett1> I'll check with them & keep you and sarob in the loop
23:29:12 <Shamail> Sounds good.  Let's have an unofficial meet-up in Vancouver then. :).
23:29:16 <Shamail> Thanks barrett1
23:29:35 <barrett1> perfect!
23:29:48 <Shamail> Will you send out the doodle poll or should I?
23:30:02 <Shamail> Can you log an #action if chair?
23:30:08 <barrett1> Shamail - pls go ahead and send out the doodle. ready for the next topic? Socialization progress?
23:30:20 <barrett1> I'm not sure if I'm the chair. will try.
23:30:25 <barrett1> #action
23:30:50 <Shamail> The meeting of Sleepy Hollow, no head.
23:30:56 <barrett1> LOL
23:30:58 <Shamail> Ready for next one I guess.
23:31:13 <barrett1> Ready for the next topic? Socialization progress?
23:31:37 <barrett1> OK - From the etherpad it looks like we still need some PTL input
23:31:55 <Shamail> mscohen: here?
23:31:58 <mscohen> yes
23:32:03 <mscohen> there are defintiely a few blanks
23:32:22 <Shamail> I can attempt cinder if that's still blank
23:32:37 <mscohen> cinder we actually have - looks like it has its own etherpad :)
23:32:47 <Shamail> Ah; missed it.
23:32:58 <mscohen> but trove ceilometer ironic are missed
23:32:59 <Shamail> Which ones are open?  Any of them need help?
23:33:10 <barrett1> I wonder if Shamail could distill that into the key elements?
23:33:30 <Shamail> I'll review the cinder etherpad
23:33:43 <Shamail> I can try reaching out to Ironic
23:33:46 <barrett1> still  missing: nova, celiometer, trove, ironic
23:33:58 <barrett1> Thanks Shamail.
23:33:59 <Shamail> Nova is a big gap
23:34:05 <mscohen> nova i got
23:34:08 <barrett1> I can try for Ceilometer
23:34:10 <Shamail> Sweet!
23:34:15 <mscohen> will actually update the etherpad though :)
23:34:18 <Shamail> That's good news mscohen
23:34:26 <Shamail> Thanks barrett1
23:34:28 <barrett1> excellent mscohen!!
23:34:38 <mscohen> yes, it was too big a gap to let slide
23:34:54 <Shamail> mscohen: do you want to set a stake in the ground for us getting back to you?  And completing the remaining ones?
23:34:56 <barrett1> Can you send a note to the ML when you add the info into the etherpad?
23:35:06 <mscohen> does anyone want to volunteer to help with others
23:35:17 <mscohen> we have three - celiometer, trove, ironic
23:35:32 <Shamail> Trove seems to be the only in allocated one
23:35:45 <Shamail> Unallocated
23:36:22 <barrett1> Anyone know who the PTL is for that?
23:37:32 <mscohen> i’ve had reasonably good luck with emails to folks.  although others have had less i’ve heard.
23:38:00 <Shamail> Nikhil Manchanda is PTLS
23:38:04 <Shamail> PTL*
23:38:37 <barrett1> I'll take a shot at Trove
23:39:08 <Shamail> We probably want to collect data and then collectively format, etc. as a part of the preparation for the summit session right?  How much time do we need to plan for?
23:39:36 <barrett1> We'll probably need a couple of weeks for that.
23:39:41 <mscohen> its going to take time tofigure out how to make it useful to people
23:39:50 <mscohen> we have lots of feedback for kilo but it tails off very quickly
23:40:02 <barrett1> Can we target getting the rest of the info by end of next week, so we can look at in the next team meeting?
23:40:04 <mscohen> For M there is not much
23:40:32 <barrett1> mscohen - I think that's pretty consistent with the rest of the feedback
23:40:42 <Shamail> That's fine. We can document what we have and the lack of data on M validates the need for longer term planning
23:41:17 <mscohen> ok, so for the record, who is talking to ceiometer?  malini had signed up for it.
23:41:29 <barrett1> I'll take ceilometer
23:41:35 <mscohen> and also for ironic? scott are you on this?  your name is on the etherpad
23:42:01 <Shamail> I can take it if necessary.  First opportunity to Scott though.
23:42:09 <mscohen> btw, i have also created this doc to try to put this in one place. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kupS0hXh9aA15dJOs2A8XHbrisvnls94F7thJekT4jk/edit#gid=0
23:42:19 <mscohen> i will reference it in the etherpad too
23:42:29 <Shamail> Awesome barrett1
23:42:57 <Shamail> mscohen and barrett1 are we trying to be ready by next meeting?  That would be two weeks from today.
23:43:08 <barrett1> +1
23:43:30 <mscohen> yes, we need to wrap this up.  we are very close
23:43:46 <barrett1> Once we have the info, I wonder if we should try to have a working session - either f2f or call ?
23:43:57 <Shamail> Great.
23:44:12 <Shamail> I can make a call since I'm east coast.
23:44:25 <mscohen> barrett1: agree.  could help with slides / flow of preso as well
23:44:32 <Shamail> I think call + google docs might be good
23:44:43 <Shamail> +1 count me in
23:44:47 <barrett1> OK - Let's see where we are in the next meeting and get something scheduled
23:44:54 <Shamail> Perfect
23:45:37 <barrett1> Ready for next topic?
23:45:46 <barrett1> Including other teams?
23:45:48 <Shamail> Yep!
23:45:58 <Shamail> I think we kind of touched on this during the summit topic
23:46:19 <Shamail> Does it make sense to draft an email to the various mailing lists ahead of time?
23:46:29 <barrett1> Seems like there are 2 parts - Identify which teams are related to the roadmap effort and then make contact
23:46:46 <Shamail> Introduce ourselves, ask them to join in, and notify of a possible session in Vancouver
23:46:59 <Shamail> barrett1: +1 agreed on two parts
23:47:08 <barrett1> Would you send this to Openstack all?
23:47:49 <Shamail> That's probably appropriate but we have to state that we are still forming, need use-cases, etc.
23:48:25 <Shamail> We could email ALL for notification of meeting, state our current progress, and what we plan to share in Vancouver.  Thoughts?
23:48:51 <Shamail> Or the other option would be to identify teams and email their ML
23:48:55 <Shamail> Telco, etc
23:49:50 <Shamail> My preference would be to email all, but be specific in participation goals and progress.
23:49:55 <barrett1> How about we send an email out to everyone, and see if we get much response.
23:50:26 <Shamail> barrett1: +1 can you draft in ether-pad and post the link to our ML?
23:50:38 <barrett1> We can follow that up with emails to specific mail lists if we don't think we're reaching the right folks.
23:50:49 <barrett1> Yes, I'll draft and send link to ML
23:50:49 <Shamail> Roger.
23:50:53 <Shamail> Thanks
23:51:27 <Shamail> Is that it for this topic for now?
23:51:42 <barrett1> 1 last thing I'd like to share before we break
23:52:04 <barrett1> I referred to a matrix I was putting together for rolling upgrades and I got requests to see it
23:52:22 <barrett1> Here's a link to the current draft: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iT0XraW8ORGk2fb1bJMigE6wWdKK6YgrNB4ishPOc1M/edit#gid=1668081475
23:52:58 <Shamail> Nice!  Is this from the WTE efforts on upgrades?
23:53:01 <barrett1> Still lots of info needed - would appreciate help.
23:53:15 <Shamail> I'm mobile but I'll definitely check it out.
23:53:17 <barrett1> Shamail - yes, this is from the deployment team
23:53:30 <barrett1> OK - let me know what you think.
23:53:35 <Shamail> Will do.
23:53:45 <barrett1> Anything else we want to cover?
23:53:56 <Shamail> How was attendance today by the way?  I joined late so not sure how many people are here.
23:53:59 <Shamail> Does this time work?
23:54:28 <barrett1> Seems light, but I think we have folks out for spring break and easter holiday
23:54:32 <rolandchan> does for me. I think we had the usual level of attendance today.
23:54:46 <Shamail> True.  Alright, sounds good.
23:54:48 <barrett1> You're asking a good question Shamail, let's revisit in next meeting
23:54:52 <Shamail> We are a small group anyway. :)
23:55:03 <Shamail> Sounds good barrett1
23:55:32 <barrett1> Let's call it a wrap for this week - meet again in 2 weeks
23:55:35 <Shamail> Take care barrett1, mscohen, rolandchan, and sarob
23:55:46 <barrett1> same to you Shamail
23:55:49 <barrett1> bye
23:56:07 <rolandchan> cheers. hope you get long weekends in your jurisdictions :)
23:58:51 <sarob_> All done ?
00:00:38 <sarob_> #endmeeting
00:01:00 <sarob> #endmeeting