19:01:18 <barrett1> #startmeeting Product Working Group 19:01:19 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Jul 20 19:01:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:21 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:01:23 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' 19:01:31 <Shamail> hi everyone 19:01:37 <geoffarnold> Greetings 19:01:42 <barrett1> Hi Everyone - who's here for the Product Work group meeting? 19:01:42 <MeganR> Hi 19:01:53 <DericHorn-HP> Hi 19:01:54 <geoffarnold> o\ 19:01:54 <Shamail> I 19:02:10 <MeganR> Hi 19:02:25 <barrett1> The agenda and links are posted here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team 19:02:45 <barrett1> we might be a little light on attendance due to OSCON 19:03:21 <barrett1> RockyG: Are you here? 19:03:29 <sgordon> yo 19:04:09 <barrett1> 1st topic is Repo update, does anyone have info on this? 19:04:19 <barrett1> #Topic User Story Repo Update 19:05:48 <barrett1> OK - I'll send an email to the ML and see if Rocky can give an update. 19:06:14 <barrett1> Next up is Upcoming Milestone checkin 19:06:31 <barrett1> #Topic Upcoming Milestones & Status Check 19:07:02 <barrett1> We have 3 upcoming deliverables, starting today. :) 19:07:25 <barrett1> User Stories Posted in Repo - 7/20 19:07:34 <barrett1> User Stories Consolidated and Prioritized - 8/3 19:07:41 <barrett1> Prioritized User Stories List reviewed with Cross Project Team - 8/4 19:08:03 <barrett1> How is everyone doing with their User Story write-ups using the Template from Shamail? 19:08:24 <Shamail> I haven 19:08:45 <Shamail> I haven't written any myself yet but I plan to capture some of the defcore ones 19:09:12 <Shamail> hi sgordon 19:09:18 <geoffarnold> I haven't. 19:10:09 <barrett1> geoffarnold: Do you have some you're planning to write up? 19:11:31 <geoffarnold> Looking at the federation space, but based on last week's Keystone midcycle we may not be quite ready 19:11:47 <geoffarnold> I'm talking to HP this week 19:12:23 <barrett1> What date do we want to set for getting all of the User Stories into the Repo for this cycle? 19:12:57 <Shamail> I would suggest a couple of weeks (at most) 19:13:21 <Shamail> Ideally, in a week or so, have user stories completed even if the repo isn't available. 19:13:34 <Shamail> That way we can just populate it versus making it a dependency 19:14:10 <barrett1> Shamail: Agree that the Repo is a nice to have at this point, we can use a google drive folder 19:14:37 <Shamail> +1 19:14:55 <barrett1> Linked to setting the due date is reaching out to the other Work Groups for their input 19:15:46 <Shamail> Agreed 19:17:22 <Shamail> Do you want to change the date on the user story submissions and move on to that agenda topic? 19:17:46 <barrett1> Not sure where to move the date to... 19:17:53 <Shamail> Ah 19:18:02 <Shamail> Should we do a doodle over ML? :) 19:18:20 <Shamail> We have light attendance today so I don't think we could reach an actionable date on IRC 19:18:29 <barrett1> +1 19:18:40 <geoffarnold> +1 19:19:08 <barrett1> OK - will add this to the email I'll send out... 19:19:36 <barrett1> Let's move on to How we work with the other community WGs 19:19:53 <barrett1> #Topic How to Engage Community Work Groups 19:20:22 <barrett1> If we just focus on Market Segment representation for this cycle, then there are 5. 19:21:33 <Shamail> Does it make sense to make the market segment the goal but other working groups as optional? I am thinking that some of our members participate in non-market groups too and they might want to have the option of bringing those user stories too. 19:21:47 <Shamail> +1 for market segment focus though 19:21:51 <barrett1> +1 19:22:44 <barrett1> We need volunteers to reachout the groups. 19:22:55 <barrett1> I can cover Enterprise. 19:23:37 <Shamail> I can cover application ecosystem 19:24:14 <Shamail> sgordon, can you cover telco-wg? 19:24:25 <barrett1> I'll capture this in the Work Plan Tracker 19:24:32 <sgordon> sureee 19:24:46 <Shamail> Thanks! 19:26:22 <barrett1> Anyone for Large Deployments? 19:26:43 <barrett1> Or API WG? 19:27:13 <geoffarnold> Large Deployments sounds like my area, but it's been relatively quiet recently 19:27:36 <barrett1> Thanks Geoff 19:27:42 <geoffarnold> I'll look into it 19:27:48 <barrett1> +1 19:27:51 <Shamail> thanks 19:29:35 <barrett1> This is a good start. 19:30:08 <barrett1> Can we set a date for getting in contact? 19:31:04 <Shamail> This is linked to user story submissions before prioritization can begin right? 19:31:15 <geoffarnold> I'll miss next week's mtg - company event 19:31:33 <barrett1> shamail: yes 19:32:13 <Shamail> If so then we probably need this item to be done by next week. Could we shoot for a status update via email by next Wednesday? 19:32:25 <geoffarnold> +1 19:33:13 <barrett1> #Action Carol, Steve, Shamail, Geoff - Reach out to your WG to socialize the User Story template and solicit stories for this cycle 19:33:43 <barrett1> #Action Due via email on ML by 7/29/15 19:34:00 <barrett1> OK - let's move on 19:34:15 <barrett1> #Topic July BoD Update Slide Review 19:34:29 <barrett1> #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10c1F2oYYUOQZgG-o5Nwqmf6uyoKzadOGPKaO_20jfPE/edit?usp=sharing 19:34:56 <Rockyg> sorry I'm late. Spaced it. 19:35:28 <barrett1> Hi RockyG 19:35:46 <barrett1> Can everyone access the slides OK? 19:35:51 <Rockyg> Hey! Getting ready for OSCon.... 19:36:00 <Rockyg> can you repost the link? 19:36:39 <barrett1> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10c1F2oYYUOQZgG-o5Nwqmf6uyoKzadOGPKaO_20jfPE/edit?usp=sharing 19:38:53 <barrett1> Any comments? 19:40:17 <geoffarnold> Not sure if we need it for this audience, but otherwise I'd like to see a page of endorsement quotations 19:40:21 <Rockyg> Knew I had something to do. Maybe we can connect on slike 3 at OsCon? 19:40:52 <barrett1> geoffarnold: endorsement quotes from whom? 19:41:07 <barrett1> RockyG: Yes, sometime tomorrow or Wed? 19:41:08 <geoffarnold> PTLs, mostly 19:41:24 <MeganR> This looks good, I am seeing some formatting issues, but nothing significant, and could be my browser. 19:41:54 <geoffarnold> May not be necessary, just exploring 19:42:09 <barrett1> geoffarnold: we did a summary of the feedback we got from PTLs on slide 6 19:42:28 <Shamail> MeganR: Formatting is off on the online version, it's okay in PPT. 19:42:53 <MeganR> Shamail: thank you, that does not surprise me! Great information. 19:43:44 <geoffarnold> Slide 6 is good, but doesn't convey level of support. Could be anything from "Great, this will really help" to "Well, if you're going to do this, I guess this is how it might work" 19:44:11 <geoffarnold> But I withdraw my suggestion... 19:44:13 <maishsk> I love the feedback on slide #6 - now if only they would allow Operators to submit feedback in a way that is not developer centric - we would be on the right track :) 19:45:10 <barrett1> geoffarnold: the info is from the etherpad with the pre-kilo release project plan discussions with each PTL. Can you help us make this slide more impactful? 19:45:16 <Shamail> maishak: would love your feedback on the template (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XpQ1PjyCqbtTIKUbPESp3AbdjUSuIP7GVjda6Cy0EY8/edit?pli=1) 19:46:40 <geoffarnold> I'll look at it, barrett1 19:47:01 <barrett1> Thanks geoff! 19:47:03 <maishsk> Shamail: a quick overview it is far too detailed 19:47:52 <maishsk> I can leave my comments later on on the document itself if you would like. 19:48:01 <Shamail> maishsk: That will be perfect. Thanks, 19:49:24 <Rockyg> Shamail, quickie on the template...change to user story 19:49:48 <Shamail> Rockyg: Thanks! 19:50:20 <barrett1> Last topic for today is mid-cycle meetup planning 19:50:28 <barrett1> #Topic Mid-cycle meetup planning 19:50:36 <geoffarnold> Yo! 19:51:03 <barrett1> Geoffarnold: Take it away! 19:51:36 <geoffarnold> Well, let's make sure everyone who's coming is in the Wiki... 19:51:54 <geoffarnold> Or if that's too complicated, we can shift the list to the Etherpad 19:52:21 <Rockyg> I'm trying to get another Huawei person to come. Anni Lai. 19:52:25 <geoffarnold> Location will be Cisco Building I: 285 W Tasman Drive, San Jose CA 95134 19:52:47 <MeganR> I am checking, should hopefully know this week. 19:53:05 <geoffarnold> Let me know of any dietary issues. We'll do the useful breakfast/lunch/drinks 19:53:11 <geoffarnold> usual 19:53:15 <barrett1> good idea to add a section for attendees to the etherpad, will do that.. 19:53:25 <geoffarnold> (Also useful, but...) 19:54:07 <geoffarnold> We'll provide WebEx access for anyone who wants to participate but can't attend in person 19:55:09 <geoffarnold> What else? 19:55:20 <barrett1> #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/productwg-liberty-midcycle-meetup 19:55:53 <barrett1> We need to build out the agenda - pls add your ideas to the etherpad 19:56:07 <geoffarnold> +1 19:56:11 <barrett1> We also should plan how we want to cover the Ops Mid cycle 19:56:48 <geoffarnold> +1 - that's going to be important 19:57:51 <Shamail> =1 19:57:55 <Shamail> +1 :] 19:57:58 <barrett1> How about we revisit the Mid-cycle plans on 8/3? We should have more info on the Ops agenda 19:58:14 <geoffarnold> +1 19:58:21 <maishsk> Shamail: Comments added to user-story-template 19:58:33 <Shamail> Thanks again maishsk 19:59:12 <barrett1> Any other topics that people want to cover? 19:59:14 <geoffarnold> I've got to bail out - running to another mtg 19:59:29 <barrett1> bye geoffarnold 19:59:41 <Rockyg> maishsk, I'd like to invite you to the log wg ;-) 19:59:47 <maishsk> Shamail - is not meant to be harsh (it might have come out like that) - so please dont take it that way - I am looking with the shades of an Operator 20:00:07 <maishsk> Rockyg: You mentioned that a while back 20:00:16 <maishsk> ;) 20:00:35 <Shamail> maishsk: thanks for the context. I'll review it later this week 20:00:41 <barrett1> RockyG: Can you be the liason between the Product WG and the Loggin WG for gathering user stories? 20:00:42 <maishsk> I have no bandwidth until the end of August - so I do not know if I can be helpful until after that\ 20:00:49 <Rockyg> Yeah. Maybe not this week, but if you've got some bugs with logs, good place to discuss... 20:00:51 <Shamail> I have to drop, take care all! 20:01:04 <barrett1> Bye folks 20:01:08 <barrett1> #endmeeting