19:02:55 #startmeeting Product Working Group 19:02:56 Meeting started Mon Jul 27 19:02:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:57 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:03:00 The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' 19:03:17 Hi all! Who's here today? (roll call) 19:03:55 Hi 19:04:18 Just us two? 19:05:12 Hmm, if it's just us then I might cancel it for today. Thoughts? 19:05:30 I guess so - that works 19:06:21 There a lot of midcycles and stuff in progress now. 19:06:27 There are a lot* 19:07:10 and vacations as well 19:07:10 I will probably start a discussion of the agenda items on the ML. We have a lot of things to get done and not much buffer. 19:07:14 good point 19:08:05 o/ 19:08:11 Hi sarob_! 19:08:24 Shamail: hi 19:08:42 I am debating if we have enough to cover the agenda items. 19:08:45 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team 19:08:53 We have MeganR, you, and I. 19:09:11 Should we pick and choose some items from the agenda that we can address? (e.g. BoD update review, etc) 19:09:30 i advised rocky on the repo patch 19:09:41 im not sure where she took it 19:09:46 #topic Use Case Repo Update - Rocky and Sean 19:10:02 Did she submit a patch set? If so, can you link it? 19:10:13 not that i ever saw 19:10:21 ill double check 19:10:24 hold a sec 19:10:28 * Shamail checks too 19:10:52 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197754/ 19:11:08 yup 19:11:43 it needs a few more TC +1 19:11:53 Yeah 19:11:57 It looks good though 19:12:33 Great! 19:12:45 #topic Board Update Slide Deck Final Review 19:12:56 * Shamail copying link... hold on. 19:13:16 #link https://my.syncplicity.com/share/zrlahrrakidkc29/Product%20WG%20BoD%20Update%20-%20July%202015%20draft%2013 19:13:36 This is the latest draft of the presentation that Carol and I will use tomorrow 19:13:51 We have incorporated feedback from the User Committee and several Board Members 19:14:14 Do you want to take 5 minutes to look through the slides and then we can open up the discussion? 19:14:34 yes please 19:14:44 Sounds good 19:15:51 looks good 19:16:56 Thanks, the main edits were along how tightly coupled this group is to the User Committee and the addition of the "Recognize" objective. 19:17:08 MeganR: Did you go through it too? Any feedback? 19:17:15 slide #6 is cutting off the Cross Project Coordination section 19:17:22 might just be my viewer 19:17:52 MeganR: there is a delay for rendering 19:18:08 Maybe, it is formatted properly in my screen. 19:18:17 Are you using the "view" option? 19:18:29 If so then, as sarob_ said, rendering is laggy 19:18:38 I am - and yes, it took a bit for some of the slides to load 19:18:52 looks good - there is a lot of information in these slides! 19:19:05 Good news is that we have 30 minutes on the agenda now. 19:19:12 still a lot to cover! 19:19:18 wow - that's great 19:20:00 Alright, thanks for the feedback. If you look at them again and you notice something, please email me. I will be able to make changes until 8A tomorrow. ;) 19:20:14 ok, that sounds good! 19:20:29 I haven't looked at the exact time for the Product WG agenda item but as soon as I find it... I will send an email to the ML so that interested parties can dial-in for the update portion. 19:20:46 Rocky and Nate will be attending in person 19:20:48 ok, good idea - thank you 19:21:08 #topic Recognition Discussion 19:21:59 As a part of the deck review, we were told to consider recognition for people helping complete the user story implementation 19:22:11 and making general, strategic, contributions 19:22:46 We brainstormed to come up with some of the ideas on slide 9 but wanted to have the discussion in our meeting since we (as a team) have never discussed this as something we would be doing. 19:23:09 sarob_: This partly ties into one of the unstructure sessions at CLS that we both attended too 19:23:21 hmm, okay 19:23:36 I'll start the conversation with a question 19:23:44 questions* 19:24:15 Should we work with the Foundation to help operate a recognition program for contributions that "Solve problems that prevent future technical debt in an area that has a diverse/broad impact that can appreciated by the majority of the OpenStack community" 19:24:16 ? 19:24:50 And secondly, if so... Is that our charter or do we recommend spinning up some other group/effort to manage that criteria, operations, and general program? 19:25:28 I think a recognition program is a great idea, however, I agree with a sub-team to run with this - I can see this taking a lot of time 19:25:49 i forgot where we left it with ttx 19:25:51 how would we receive "nominations" 19:26:08 was he planning on following up as well? 19:26:22 No, but I think a follow up is probably in order. 19:26:35 Other people wanted to figure out strategic contributions too. 19:26:59 MeganR: Good question, the very loose critera right now is: Reduce technical debt, implement the most prioritized user stories in a single release, reduce barriers to adoption, reduce LoC w/o impairing functionality, etc. 19:27:14 ok, that's a good start 19:27:17 But A) Is this the right list? B) How do you track those items? 19:27:31 Seems more qualitative 19:27:41 I'll mark that as an action sarob_ (to follow up with ttx) 19:28:12 #action Discuss the "recognition" topic with ttx as a follow-up to CLS discussion 19:28:33 okay 19:28:43 MeganR: Sub-team seems like a good start. That will let us make progress and also gauge the level of effort. 19:28:49 Alrighty, moving on! 19:29:01 i think the simplest is to create an apache badge fork project 19:29:17 but ill continue to discuss with ttx 19:29:35 Sounds good 19:29:48 Please feel free to pull in any of as you see fit 19:30:03 #topic Ops Mid cycle Meetup Session Coverage Plan 19:30:49 We were told multiple times that the ops summit is a great place to build user stories but that we would have to offer scribe type services to get the most feedback possible. 19:31:21 We need to figure out how many of us are attending and how to spread ourselves for converage. 19:31:29 Carol has put an Product WG overview on to the ops agenda 19:31:34 I just added my name to the etherpad 19:31:49 We are hoping that we can share the user story template by then 19:31:53 Thats great Carol! 19:31:57 MeganR: ! 19:32:01 :) 19:32:04 sorry I was about to write something that Carol said lol 19:32:31 Carol also wanted us to figure out the Cross Project Liaisons for key project teams 19:32:52 we have a list for attendance at the PWG meet-up. is there an etherpad to track how many of us will be at Ops? 19:33:27 nateziemann: not that I know of... 19:33:37 Do you want to take a poll on the ML? 19:33:56 That would be a great starting point to know how much we can accomplish at the ops summit 19:34:31 it would be a subset of the folks that updated our etherpad right. Can we just update that and send out to the ML? 19:35:02 There is a more definitive source than the etherpad.. let me find it... brb 19:35:23 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/Product_WGLibertySprint 19:35:28 This is the definitive list 19:35:36 and, yes, it would probably be a subset. 19:36:12 Thank you - I will update the Wiki page 19:36:22 We can add an Ops Summit column and send it to the ML so that people can enter that data 19:36:25 Thanks MeganR 19:36:34 perfect 19:37:29 There, I just updated the page with the new column 19:38:14 nateziemann: Do you mind sending the email asking people to update the newly added column? 19:38:53 Okay, so I think we need to park the ops summit topic until we get a better sense of attendance. Agree? 19:39:29 Agree 19:39:31 agree. 19:39:37 Thanks! 19:39:40 Last topic... 19:39:42 I will send out request to ML. 19:39:45 #topic Product Work Group Mid cycle Meetup Agenda 19:39:50 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/productwg-liberty-midcycle-meetup 19:40:15 Please start proposing ideas for topics at the upcoming Product WG mid-cycle... 19:40:36 I plan to add Roadmap as a discussion item 19:40:49 perfect - I was going to ask about that 19:41:05 Heidi Joy from the OpenStack Foundation will be joining us partly for the mid-cycle and she will be working with our team on the roadmap updates 19:41:35 We have made great progress over the last couple of weeks in terms of cadence, responsibilities (Product WG and Foundation), and next steps. 19:41:52 I am hoping we can spend time at the mid-cycle to move into execution 19:42:22 MeganR: I haven't sent out updates yet because of travel... I am hoping we can start the feedback collection by milestone-3 19:42:32 Thanks for adding it to the etherpad nateziemann 19:43:33 If you can think of additional topics then lets add them to the proposed agenda. 19:43:48 * Shamail thinks the two day mid-cycle will be insanely productive 19:43:49 how about finalizing the use case template. 19:44:00 +1 (if not done before then) 19:44:13 I plan to send an email out about it later this week. 19:44:27 Have received a lot of good feedback... 19:45:25 sarob_: which day would you be in Seattle? first or second? 19:45:36 first 19:45:57 Thanks 19:46:13 Let's try to propose items by next week and then start planning the actual schedule. 19:46:21 That is all that we had for today. 19:46:26 #topic Open Session 19:46:38 nothing more from me 19:46:39 Anything else that we should discuss? 19:47:24 Great! I will send the schedule details about the Product WG update to the board 19:47:28 See you tomorrow nateziemann! 19:47:46 #endmeeting