19:02:29 <barrett> #startmeeting Product Working Group 19:02:31 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Aug 10 19:02:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:33 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:02:35 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' 19:03:00 <geoffarnold> Roll call? 19:03:08 <SheenaG1> o/ 19:03:11 <barrett> Hi everyone - let's start with roll call 19:03:18 <Shamail> Hi. 19:03:20 <geoffarnold> o\ 19:03:38 * sgordon here 19:04:07 <barrett> good to see everyone 19:04:18 <stephenwalli> here 19:04:20 <barrett> 1st agenda item - User Stories 19:04:30 <barrett> #topic User Story Status 19:04:46 <barrett> Rocky/Shamail - any update on the repo? 19:04:47 <Arkady_Kanevsky> hello 19:05:02 <SheenaG1> Is there a bridge today? Or just IRC? 19:05:09 <Shamail> #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories 19:05:16 <Shamail> Bridge as well 19:05:29 <barrett> SheenaG1: Access: (888) 875-9370, Bridge: 3; Passcode: 1278598 19:05:40 <SheenaG1> Thanks barrett 19:05:41 <barrett> And others too! :) 19:05:46 <Shamail> #link test commit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211272/ 19:05:58 <geoffarnold> Can't join the bridge, so don't say anything critical 19:06:20 <barrett> Geoffarnold: what's the issue? 19:06:23 <stephenwalli> Invalid passcode on bridge 19:06:43 <Shamail> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-August/003021.html 19:06:48 <SheenaG1> I got in with the code barrett just sent 19:07:04 <geoffarnold> barrett I'm in a very noisy space. 19:07:14 <Shamail> I was providing an update on the repo. It exists now but there was an issue with the creation of the gerrit group. 19:07:25 <Shamail> The infra team has submitted a patch to address it and will notify us once it's fixed 19:07:38 <Shamail> The two links show the repo location and the gerrit group discussion 19:07:39 <barrett> Geoffarnold: OK, we'll make sure to capture points in the IRC 19:08:00 <Shamail> #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-user-stories 19:08:03 * geoffarnold disappears for a minute to find a set of noise-cancelling headphones 19:08:06 <Shamail> Here is a link to our launchpad as well 19:09:46 <barrett> Given the repo issues, we'll continue to plan to use the Google drive for posting user stories today: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0BxtM4AiszlEyfm9UTW5LMEQ5cUhHbmFsSkd5WFNfdTMwVFIwRUM1TVFXSHhhWHl6VHlpRzg 19:10:18 * geoffarnold is now listening to the audio but muted 19:10:19 <barrett> Has anyone had trouble accessing this drive? 19:11:13 <stephenwalli> I can read and clone the google drive for offline work 19:11:40 <stephenwalli> Also on the bridge [finally] 19:13:44 <barrett> Our plan is to have all of the User Stories posted by end of day today - how is everyone doing on this? 19:13:57 <stephenwalli> Is Deric Horn on the call? 19:15:13 <Shamail> I don't believe so. He joined last week 19:15:46 <barrett> Wednesday is the 1st 2 hr working session for this week. The goal is to review the user stories and consolidate as we can 19:16:03 <barrett> #action Shamail - send meeting invites for the Wed and Thurs Meetings 19:16:48 <barrett> The plan for Thursday is to prioritize the user stories so we have an ordered list that we can test with the Operators next week 19:17:53 <geoffarnold> Easier to spell names in IRC. I'm not happy with this mostly-voice trend 19:18:39 <barrett> GeoffArnold: I think it's a challenge to have both of these discussions be rich and complete 19:18:56 <stephenwalli> For Jay: stephen.r.walli@hp.com 19:19:00 <barrett> GeoffArnold: We can discuss our approach 19:19:10 <geoffarnold> I agree. But IRC gives us minutes. Are we recording the bridge? 19:19:47 <barrett> #topic User Story Review Plan for this week 19:19:48 <cloudrancher> Thanks Stephen! 19:20:13 <barrett> Think we've covered most of the plans - any questions/comments? 19:20:28 <barrett> Once the repo is up, we'll each be responsible for moving our user stories 19:22:43 <barrett> #action Shamail - send out a note to the ML when the Repo is ready with instructions on how to post user stories 19:24:33 <barrett> On the priorization for Thursday, we had discussed this criteria: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nYREffeYF_S6-fXV8qplbUIDMJG0HSxWMFQQ-9GrmME/edit 19:25:17 <barrett> Thoughts? 19:26:39 <barrett> To be clear, for this pilot phase, we hadn't planned to have broad based voting on the user stories because we don't have the infrastructure to support 19:27:09 <barrett> We had planned to have this team review and set priorities and then review in Cross-Project team meeting to gain more feedback before finalizing 19:29:07 <stephenwalli> Publishing provides transparency. 19:29:29 <barrett> stephenwalli - Understand, open to proposals on how to do this effectively 19:29:53 <stephenwalli> Voting outside of our group is a delicate issue. We’re a meritocracy — not a democracy. 19:30:24 <barrett> I added voting methodolgy to the agenda for our midcycle meetup 19:30:27 <stephenwalli> If we’re part of the review system, then review voting can take its appropriate place. 19:31:39 <Shamail> Since this is the pilot phase and the voting mechanism isn't implemented yet (system, weighing, criteria, etc.) we will do our best to keep community updated on the pilot phase. 19:31:39 <barrett> Stephenwalli - once the repo is up and functioning we will get that feedback. Until then, we're taking a manual approach 19:32:24 <barrett> Anything else on this topic? 19:32:41 <Shamail> This means that we will discuss our prioritized list with the cross project team and then share the prioritized list with the overall community. At this point, we will also let the community know that there will be a voting system (hopefully we will have some details available after our midcycle) and we can update them on the status of implementing said system. 19:33:04 <barrett> shamail: +1 19:33:23 <barrett> moving along 19:33:25 <barrett> #topic Ops Mid Cycle Meetup Plans 19:33:26 <Shamail> The goal should be to have voting/prioritization established and open for launch of PWG (post-pilot) 19:34:02 <Shamail> stephenwalli: +1 19:34:09 <barrett> I forwarded an email from TomF that had the current schedule - everyone have that? 19:34:14 <geoffarnold> It's likely that the Ops Midcycle will generate at least one new User Story 19:34:26 <barrett> Geoffarnold: I sure hope so!! 19:34:33 <Arkady_Kanevsky> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/productwg-liberty-midcycle-meetup 19:34:50 <geoffarnold> No, that's the other one 19:35:04 <Shamail> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/product-wg/2015-August/000592.html (mail message) 19:35:14 <geoffarnold> That's the ProductWG, not the Ops one 19:35:25 <geoffarnold> We're talking about the Ops Meetup 19:35:50 <Shamail> The link I posted is to the Ops Schedule 19:35:54 <barrett> The goal for our participation in the Ops Mid cycle is to gather more user stories and increase the depth of content in existing ones 19:36:18 <barrett> What I think we need to do is figure out who will attend which sessions and get the coverage we want 19:37:02 <Shamail> I can cover: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-tools-mon 19:37:07 <barrett> Anyone want to volunteer for sessions they plan to attend? 19:37:12 <barrett> Thanks Shamail! 19:37:15 <Shamail> Also: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-packaging 19:37:18 <geoffarnold> I'll be in quite a few sessions 19:37:41 <geoffarnold> Especially large scale and public cloud 19:38:06 <Shamail> I recommend all of us attend the burning issues session as it is a great forum for discussing a multitude of topics. Tuesday 10:30-11:15A 19:38:14 <barrett> GeoffArnold: Will list you for those sessions 19:38:50 <barrett> We should all try to attend the Burning Issues session 19:38:56 <MeganR> you can put me into sessions as needed, I can be flexible on what I attend, happy to take what is remaining. 19:39:01 <Shamail> I will also be there for the User Committee Session 19:39:24 <Shamail> Updated List for Me: Burning Issues, Monitoring, Packaging, Product WG, and User Committee 19:39:37 <geoffarnold> Tuesday 13:30-15:00 19:39:43 <cloudrancher> I can cover Containers for Deployment and anything else you need covered 19:39:55 <geoffarnold> Actually three subsessions 19:40:14 <Shamail> geoffarnold: that seems like a lot to pack into 40 min! :| 19:40:26 <Shamail> err nm 19:40:30 <Shamail> this is 90min 19:40:39 <barrett> Thanks Cloudrancher 19:41:14 <barrett> MeganR: Thanks. 19:41:35 <barrett> I'll cover Upgrades 19:41:52 <barrett> MeganR: There' 19:42:13 <geoffarnold> There are several Burning Issues sessions 19:42:21 <geoffarnold> it's a bit chaotic 19:42:46 <geoffarnold> I've been in the middle of the planning :-( 19:42:47 <barrett> MeganR: There's a 2nd Burning issues on Tuesday. Will put you down for that for now 19:42:57 <MeganR> ok, that sounds good 19:43:26 <geoffarnold> Potential Google Hangout for main OPs Meetup 19:43:27 <Shamail> sorry geoffarnold... but THANK YOU =) 19:43:38 <geoffarnold> Unclear for breakouts - probably not 19:44:32 <barrett> the CMDB session is about use cases, so I'll cover this one 19:44:33 <geoffarnold> Most important sessions are User Cttee, Large Scale, Tags, Burning Issues 19:45:18 <Shamail> geoffarnold: +1 19:45:27 <barrett> I think we should cover networking too 19:45:41 <geoffarnold> We should all keep a ProductWG Etherpad open to capture notes on whatever sessions we're covering 19:45:48 <geoffarnold> I'll be doing networking 19:46:12 <barrett> Thanks Geoff - Agree on the etherpad too 19:46:38 <barrett> #action Carol to send out email to ML with coverage plan for ops mid-cycle 19:47:00 <barrett> Let's move on 19:47:13 <barrett> #topic Interlock Plans for Nova 19:47:20 <barrett> Shamail pls take it away 19:48:00 <barrett> John Garbutt sent a email reaching out to engage with us 19:49:05 <barrett> the nova meeting is thursday at 21:00 UTC 19:49:36 <geoffarnold> 2100 UTC coincides with one of ouur meetings this week, doesn't it? 19:49:58 <geoffarnold> I'm happy to join it 19:50:07 <barrett> geoffarnold: Yes, it does overlap for a bit 19:50:11 <Shamail> Thanks geoffarnold 19:50:13 <Shamail> Count me in too! 19:50:30 <barrett> This brings us to the CPL topic too 19:51:06 <geoffarnold> Which IRC channel? 19:52:33 <Shamail> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova 19:52:53 <Shamail> The next meeting is at 8/13 21:00 UTC (#openstack-meeting) 19:52:56 <geoffarnold> Yeah, it's #openstack-meeting 19:53:08 <geoffarnold> I'll be there 19:53:45 <barrett> Anything else on this one? 19:54:19 <barrett> #topic Work Group Plans for Tokyo 19:54:30 <barrett> The slots are going fast 19:57:04 <barrett> I think we can use a room for 35 people 19:57:44 <barrett> Ideally, this would be near the end of the Summit, so we can use it as a wrap-up/planning session. Along the lines of what we did in Vancouver on Thursday 19:58:27 <barrett> Is there a preference for 40 min vs 90 min session? 19:58:29 <geoffarnold> Works for me 19:58:39 <barrett> I think a 90 min session would be good 19:58:40 <Shamail> Wednesday: [11:15-11:55, 12:05, 12:45][4:40-5:20, 5:30-6:10] 19:58:58 <MeganR> +1 - especially if we are using it as a wrap-up session 19:59:30 <Shamail> Thursday: [9-9:40,9:50-10:30], [1:50-2:30, 2:40-3:20], [4:30-5:10, 5:20, 6] 19:59:51 <barrett> I would go with the Thursday 4:30 or 5:20 20:00:10 <barrett> Are people planning to leave on Thursday? 20:00:12 * geoffarnold has to drop off now 20:00:19 <Shamail> I second 4:30 Thursday 20:00:29 <barrett> GeoffArnold: Any preference for Tokyo? 20:00:54 <cloudrancher> 4:30 is my vote too 20:00:56 <geoffarnold> i'll be there the whole time 20:01:04 <Shamail> Have a great day geoffarnold 20:01:04 <barrett> Anyone object to 4:30 on Thursday? 20:01:28 <barrett> #action Shamail to sign us up for a BoF on Thursday at 4:30 for 90 mins 20:01:32 <geoffarnold> no objections 20:01:38 <barrett> we're out of time for today 20:01:59 <barrett> So pls look at the etherpad for our mid-cycle next week and add comments to shape the agenda 20:03:01 <barrett> We'll cancel our meeting 8/17 because folks are traveling 20:03:05 <barrett> #endmeeting