21:01:10 <barrett1> #startmeeting product working group 21:01:10 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Feb 8 21:01:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:01:11 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:01:14 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' 21:01:16 <thingee> o/ 21:01:18 <rockyg> hey all! 21:01:19 <cloudrancher> o/ 21:01:21 <shamail> Hi everyone! 21:01:25 <leong_> hi all 21:01:26 <leong_> o/ 21:01:28 <pchadwick> Hello 21:01:28 <piet> o/ 21:01:47 <rockyg> lots of suff on dev mailing list we need to follow 21:01:56 <barrett1> #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team 21:02:04 <barrett1> Here's the agenda for today 21:02:20 <barrett1> Rockyg: Can you hold that til the opens? 21:02:37 <rockyg> yup 21:02:38 <barrett1> Want to hear more about what you think we should be aware of. 21:02:41 <barrett1> thanks 21:02:55 <barrett1> OK - let's start with action items from last meeting 21:03:01 <barrett1> #topic action item review 21:03:12 <barrett1> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-01-21.00.html 21:03:22 <barrett1> Leong: Are you here? 21:03:26 <leong_> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/FrequentlyAskedQuestions 21:03:29 <leong_> I have updated the FAQ 21:03:43 <barrett1> Excellent - thanks! 21:03:55 <leong_> It is under the question: "How Product Working Group collaborate with OpenStack Project team?" 21:04:01 <rockyg> ++ 21:04:03 <kencjohnston> o/ 21:04:21 * kencjohnston is only half here, I'm on another call that is running long. Apologies. 21:04:35 <barrett1> Thanks Kenny 21:04:46 <thingee> you can see the diff of leong_'s work here https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=ProductTeam%2FFrequentlyAskedQuestions&diff=102746&oldid=102039 21:04:52 <shamail> looks great leong_ 21:05:07 <nateziemann> hi everyone, Nate's here 21:05:12 <shamail> hi nateziemann 21:05:14 <barrett1> If folks have feedback pls send it to Leong. 21:05:23 <barrett1> Let's move to the next one. 21:05:26 <thingee> leong_: is this going into http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/workflow/workflow.html ... which relates 21:05:34 <barrett1> Shamail - can you give us an update? 21:05:41 <shamail> I only had one item (to update wiki to reflect workflow discussion) but I think it was overidden by our decision to discuss workflow further at mid-cycle. I'l be glad to update the workflow on wiki after we have that discussion next week. 21:05:52 <thingee> would probably be good not to have this information in multiple places. risk one becoming of outdated. 21:06:03 <shamail> I think once we discuss the various topics related to workflow we can update wiki/repo. 21:06:05 <rockyg> ++ 21:06:10 <thingee> shamail: +1 21:06:24 <leong_> we might want to add a link from the FAQ to point to workflow? 21:06:32 <barrett1> Sounds good - we'll move your action Shamail to after the midcycle. 21:06:47 <pchadwick> leong - makes sense 21:06:47 <barrett1> #action shamail to complete update of work flow after midcycle discussion 21:06:51 <shamail> leong_: +1 and also make sure that the summary and what's documented in repo don't conflict 21:06:52 <thingee> shamail: in theory though, leong_ could propose it to the repo workflow document and we can discuss it in gerrit, since that's what it's there for ;) 21:06:58 <barrett1> leong: +1 21:07:21 <thingee> shamail: just no one should approve it right away so we can discuss the review first! 21:07:36 <shamail> thingee: agreed 21:07:37 <barrett1> Next Action item was for me to add work flow to midcycle agenda: That's one. 21:07:43 <barrett1> fone 21:07:46 <thingee> leong_: +1 21:07:47 <barrett1> done (oops) 21:08:09 <rockyg> Someone went to a superbowl party..... 21:08:30 <barrett1> LOL 21:08:34 <barrett1> (but true) 21:08:38 * hughhalf joins late 21:08:41 <barrett1> Kencjohnston: Can you give an update on the next 2? Or do you want us to come back to that later? 21:08:46 <barrett1> Hi hughhalf 21:08:51 <shamail> hi hughhalf 21:08:57 <hughhalf> kencjohnston might be stuck on same call I am 21:09:31 <barrett1> hughhalf: OK, let's come back to those action items when you all are done with the call - pls signal when you're ready 21:09:32 <kencjohnston> barrett1 can we come back, sorry. 21:09:42 <barrett1> kencjohnston: NP 21:09:54 <barrett1> #topic Product WG Midcycle Agenda Review 21:09:57 <hughhalf> barrett1 will do - pretty close to done 21:10:03 <barrett1> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle 21:10:45 <barrett1> Shamail and I did a review of the etherpad with proposals and created the agenda at the bottom of the etherpad from that. 21:11:12 <barrett1> You'll see days, times and topic leaders in the agenda - pls look over, you may find your name! 21:11:28 <barrett1> It's an action packed agenda, but seems doable. 21:11:31 <barrett1> Comments? 21:11:34 * kencjohnston is here now. 21:11:51 * hughhalf is also 21:11:58 <barrett1> kencjohnston: let's finish the agenda review, then go back to action items. 21:12:13 * kencjohnston nods. 21:12:57 <kencjohnston> barrett1 I have no comments on the Agenda, looks good. 21:12:58 <barrett1> Shamail: We need to figure out what time we need to catch a train on the 18th to make it to the Midcycle in London. 21:13:07 <barrett1> thanks kencjohnston 21:13:15 <shamail> Yes, I will update that info tonight 21:13:19 <barrett1> thanks 21:13:21 <shamail> user meetup* 21:13:23 <rockyg> There are at least 4 of us heading down that night. 21:13:31 <shamail> This is for Thursday evening 21:13:33 <pchadwick> No comments on the agenda - looks good 21:13:46 <barrett1> shamail: yes 21:13:51 <leong_> agenda looks good to me 21:13:56 <rockyg> OOps. Sorry. 21:14:19 <cloudrancher> Was there going to be a conference line for the stuck at home folks? 21:14:33 <barrett1> cloudrancher: good question 21:14:42 <barrett1> kencjohnston: Is that something that can be arranged? 21:14:52 <kencjohnston> barrett1 cloudrancher yep I'll add that details to the Etherpad. 21:15:01 <kencjohnston> We will have a conference phone in the room. 21:15:05 <cloudrancher> Thanks! 21:15:09 <barrett1> Excellent - Thanks 21:15:09 <shamail> that's great news kencjohnston 21:15:12 <leong_> kencjohnston: also for the Enterprise WG Friday 21:15:17 <barrett1> OK - let's go with this as our plan and we'll tweak as needed during the 2 days. 21:15:21 <kencjohnston> barrett1 can you mark the action for me? 21:15:38 <kencjohnston> leong_ correct, I'll get with you offline about that. 21:15:45 <leong_> thanks! 21:15:56 <barrett1> #action Kencjohston post a bridge for the Product and Enterprise Mid-cycles for people to call into 21:16:22 <pchadwick> I thought there was a suggestion to try and use Google Hangouts 21:16:28 <pchadwick> Did we decide against that: 21:16:37 <barrett1> For folks who will be at the mid cycle, pls take a few mins and prep for the prioritiy/focus topic. 21:16:48 <leong_> ok carol 21:17:16 <thingee> pchadwick: the problem with hangouts is there is a limit on attendees (still I believe) and it excludes those who don't have access to google from their country. 21:17:33 <shamail> thingee: limit still exists (unless you do an "on-air" hangout) 21:17:37 <leong_> if i'm not wrong the limit (for free account) is 10 21:17:48 <pchadwick> OK 21:17:59 <kencjohnston> thingee pchadwick - There is an option to use Rackspace's internal video chat system while at our office. 21:18:11 <kencjohnston> It's called Vidyo 21:18:21 <kencjohnston> naturally. 21:18:28 <barrett1> of course... 21:18:30 <shamail> naturally. 21:18:31 <kencjohnston> I can set that up if folks will utilize it 21:18:53 <pchadwick> I will be there, so defer to those who won't 21:19:11 <barrett1> Show of hands from folks who won't be able to attend in person - would you use the messaging system? 21:19:22 <cloudrancher> Voice is all i'm after 21:19:31 <leong_> my suggestion is "etherpad" + "voice" 21:19:36 <KrishR> i can use vidyo 21:19:46 <barrett1> leong +1 21:19:54 <leong_> unless you all want to see our face :-) 21:20:13 <thingee> yes etherpad to conference call is all you should need. I'm not that pretty to look at over vidyo. 21:20:24 <hughhalf> ehterpad+ voice works for me as would vidyo. I think etherpad + voice is best bet though 21:20:34 <barrett1> Let's go with that for this round. 21:20:43 <leong_> barrett1 +1 21:20:45 <kencjohnston> barrett1 ok I'll make sure we have voice setup. 21:20:53 <cloudrancher> +1 21:20:54 <barrett1> #decision use voice + etherpad to include non-travelers in our mid-cycle 21:20:57 <shamail> is it called audiyo? 21:21:02 <kencjohnston> shamail ha 21:21:02 <barrett1> OK - let's move on. 21:21:08 <barrett1> #topic London Meetup 21:21:15 <barrett1> Nate: Can you cover this one? 21:21:21 <shamail> ping nateziemann 21:21:22 <nateziemann> hi everyone 21:21:44 <shamail> hi 21:21:47 <nateziemann> I have a draft agenda for discussion w/ the group. seeking volunteers to speak at differnet sections 21:22:04 <barrett1> #link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B43pcRkOVMWCSFRFa1UxQU94OGs/view 21:22:21 <barrett1> nateziemann: I'll do the Intro if you want 21:22:30 <kencjohnston> nateziemann I can cover one of the userstories, Rolling Upgrades 21:22:32 <shamail> I can help w/ roadmap 21:22:33 <nateziemann> thanks barrett1 21:22:41 <pchadwick> This is for the 18th? 21:22:45 <shamail> yes 21:22:48 <shamail> 6:30-??? 21:22:50 <kencjohnston> pchadwick evening of 21:22:59 <shamail> 6:30PM* 21:23:02 <leong_> do we want to also include this "London Meetup" in the PWG etherpad.. so that people can find the info easily, maybe the very last section? 21:23:21 <pchadwick> OK - I will not be able to attend as I have to fly out for a customer meeting 21:23:22 <nateziemann> in the midcycle etherpad? 21:23:23 <shamail> #link http://www.meetup.com/Openstack-London/events/228549481/ 21:23:39 <shamail> leong_: +1 21:23:52 <kencjohnston> shamail leong_ adding now. 21:24:00 <leong_> cool! 21:24:00 <shamail> thanks 21:24:01 <nateziemann> thnx 21:24:17 <shamail> Do you have enough volunteers nateziemann? 21:24:20 <nateziemann> ok, so we have one user story selected. I propose we try and cover two. suggestions for a 2nd? 21:24:41 <kencjohnston> nateziemann I'm happy to cover two 21:24:49 <kencjohnston> But I'd be subing in for a user story owner 21:24:57 <shamail> I think with the people attending... maybe lifecycle management or vm ha? 21:25:00 <kencjohnston> Any other user story owners planning on being at the meetup? 21:25:10 <shamail> I'd be glad to help as well (not an owner though) 21:25:21 <kencjohnston> leong_ are you able to attend? 21:25:25 <leong_> i will 21:25:36 <shamail> thats why I suggested vm ha :) 21:25:39 <leong_> i can present HA VM if needed 21:25:59 <shamail> leong_: +1 21:26:11 <nateziemann> for each user story, I would like one person to create a few slides, present and try to get some good feedback going in the room. 21:26:20 <shamail> it's light on details but would be good to gauge importance and whether openstack itself needs to present a solution to the issue 21:26:41 <leong_> nateziemann, kencjohnston, let's work offline for the slides? 21:26:54 <nateziemann> so it sounds like Kenny for Rolling Upgrades. and Leong_ for HA VM. 21:26:58 <kencjohnston> leong_ sounds good. Want to start a GoogleDoc? 21:27:02 <kencjohnston> nateziemann +1 21:27:10 <leong_> i like google doc :) 21:27:19 <nateziemann> does someone want to partner up w/ me on the roadmap topic? 21:27:23 <kencjohnston> s/doc/presentation 21:27:24 <leong_> Google Slide (to be specific) : 21:27:39 <barrett1> #action Kencjohnston prep slides for Upgrades User Story for London Meetup 21:27:56 <barrett1> #action leong prep slides for HA VM User Story for London Meetup 21:27:56 <leong_> nateziemann do we want to add into your existing Google Slide? 21:28:24 <kencjohnston> nateziemann I thought I heard shamail agree to do the roadmap. 21:28:24 <nateziemann> either way. I have an existing draft PPTX all ready that includes the rest of the 1 hour agenda. 21:28:24 <shamail> I added speaker details to etherpad for the user meetup 21:28:39 <shamail> yes, please add me to roadmap nateziemann 21:28:40 <leong_> let's ping offline.. my email is yihleong@gmail.com, i don't think i have your email 21:29:08 <nateziemann> ok, have shamail for roadmap with me. 21:29:12 <shamail> Thanks 21:29:39 <nateziemann> it would be nice to have a list of everyone who's going to attend. I'll update the overview slide listing attendees from PWG. 21:29:50 <shamail> nateziemann: +1 21:30:07 <MeganR> @nateziemann: I am planning to attend, if you need additional help 21:30:08 <pchadwick> shamail: I will help with the roadmap slides since I submitted that for the summit. 21:30:12 <nateziemann> can we use our midcycle etherpad planning page? 21:30:13 <barrett1> nateziemann?: +1 21:30:25 <shamail> Sounds good pchadwick 21:30:35 <shamail> nateziemann, please replace me with pchadwick 21:30:40 <nateziemann> will do. 21:30:47 <nateziemann> pchadwick, will you be at the ops summit? 21:30:57 <pchadwick> Yes, but not the meet-up 21:31:04 <leong_> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle line 112 21:31:18 <leong_> nateziemann https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle line 112 21:31:27 <nateziemann> i'm confused, we are talking about the meetup 21:31:54 <barrett1> nateziemann: what are you confused about? 21:32:06 <barrett1> yes, we are talking about the London Meetup 21:32:06 <nateziemann> need to select one additional speaker for the london meetup for Roadmap. pchadwick or shamail 21:32:25 <shamail> pchadwick, the roadmap topic was for Thursday evening 21:32:27 <pchadwick> Ah - yes - I can help pull the slides together, but will not be at the meet-up 21:32:40 <nateziemann> I already have the slides for roadmap put together. 21:32:52 <shamail> Thanks, i'll re-add myself as co-presenter then 21:32:58 <barrett1> sounds like pchadwick is off the hook this time! 21:32:58 <nateziemann> based on the Tokyo charts. 21:33:04 <pchadwick> OK - misunderstood 21:33:25 <shamail> pchadwick, barrett1: for now... the roadmap refresh is coming soon :) 21:33:30 <barrett1> Anything else nateziemann? 21:33:37 <nateziemann> ok, I think we are done. any other suggestions on the agenda? 21:33:57 <barrett1> I think the agenda is good - like leaving time for Q&A/discussion 21:33:58 <kencjohnston> nope looks great nateziemann thanks for organizing and inviting us 21:34:20 <nateziemann> lets cross our fingers for a great turnout. I saw 50+ sign up already. 21:34:24 <nateziemann> back to you barrett1 21:34:31 <barrett1> Let's go back to the action items - Kencjohnston 21:34:38 <barrett1> #topic Action Items - Part 2 21:34:57 <kencjohnston> what was my action again? 21:34:57 <barrett1> kencjohnston: over to you 21:35:10 * kencjohnston scrabbles to find the link for action items from last meeting 21:35:12 <barrett1> The 1st was to delete/repost Upgrade user story 21:35:22 <barrett1> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-01-21.00.html 21:35:38 <barrett1> The 2nd was to send the call for reviews 21:35:46 <kencjohnston> barrett1 Yep, completed the delete which was merged, and sent a note to dev list for reviews 21:35:57 <kencjohnston> barrett1 I also added the identified CPLs to the review 21:35:58 <shamail> and you certainly got reviews kencjohnston :) 21:36:10 <kencjohnston> Gotten great feedback, on the second interation. 21:36:21 <kencjohnston> I have a new patch in the works, will be submitted this evening. 21:36:25 <barrett1> Good to hear. 21:36:43 <kencjohnston> barrett1 Even got some feedback from Operators, which was cool. 21:36:56 <barrett1> That's fabulous! 21:36:59 <barrett1> Any add'l outreach for feedback needed? 21:37:29 <kencjohnston> barrett1 no other than the regular call of pointing any developers working on rolling upgrades within your organization to look at it and provide commentary 21:37:49 <kencjohnston> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274969/ 21:38:09 <barrett1> kencjohnston: anything else? 21:38:14 <kencjohnston> barrett1 nope, thanks 21:38:17 <barrett1> Thanks 21:38:20 <barrett1> moving on 21:38:27 <barrett1> #topic Ops Summit Participation Plan 21:38:49 <barrett1> Hopefully everyone has seen the latest info on the agenda and sessions where moderators are needed 21:39:22 <barrett1> if you haven't pls raise your hand and will forward 21:40:04 <pchadwick> Raises hand 21:40:21 <shamail> barrett1: I volunteered to help moderator the "writing user stories" and "Tokyo Highlights" 21:40:30 <shamail> moderate* 21:40:45 <kencjohnston> barrett1 and I'm moderating Top 10 Bugs / Feature Requests 21:40:52 <MeganR> barrett1: pls forward to me as well 21:41:01 <nateziemann> pls forward to me as well. 21:41:09 <kencjohnston> I think it was only sent to those who are moderating sessions. 21:41:18 <shamail> kencjohnston: +1 21:41:52 <barrett1> email forwarded, pls respond to Matt if you can cover any of the open sessions. 21:41:53 <shamail> there was also a general email on ops too 21:42:10 <barrett1> Any questions or comments on this? 21:42:40 <barrett1> If not we'll move along - 2 topics and 18 mins to go..... 21:42:53 <barrett1> #topic Review Open Commits 21:43:04 <barrett1> Shamail - Pls take this one 21:43:08 <shamail> sure. 21:43:12 <shamail> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-user-stories+status:open 21:43:21 <kencjohnston> shamail just cleared outa couple of items 21:43:21 <kencjohnston> shamail thank you sir. 21:43:31 <shamail> We have 5 items for review 21:43:35 <shamail> sorry for the delay kencjohnston 21:43:47 <shamail> #link https://review.openstack.org/265998 21:43:49 <leong_> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276933/ - stable branch support - need review 21:43:57 <shamail> Is the review to merge the tracker template 21:44:05 <shamail> and already has a +2 21:44:25 <shamail> https://review.openstack.org/274969 is the rolling upgrade user story 21:44:45 <shamail> This one needs reviews from everyone that kencjohnston mentioned... but we won't +2 it until the dust settles 21:44:53 <kencjohnston> shamail agreed 21:45:21 <kencjohnston> https://review.openstack.org/253228 is work in progress so is exempt 21:45:25 <shamail> The remaining three: https://review.openstack.org/276933, https://review.openstack.org/276596, https://review.openstack.org/253228 need reviews from team 21:45:37 <leong_> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276933/ - stable branch support - need review 21:45:38 <shamail> good point kencjohnston 21:45:51 <shamail> so just https://review.openstack.org/276933, https://review.openstack.org/253228 21:46:01 <shamail> Please review those when you have time 21:46:10 <kencjohnston> leong_ I added some comments to stable branch support which weren't covered in the next patch 21:46:15 <barrett1> shamail: this week? 21:46:15 <leong_> ping annilai pls review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276933/ 21:46:18 <shamail> I suggest adding a calendar entry as a weekly reminder to spend 30 minutes looking at commits :) 21:46:32 <barrett1> shamail: +1 21:46:34 <kencjohnston> shamail I'd like to make sure we have more than just you and I doing regular reviews. 21:46:37 <cloudrancher> shamail +1 21:46:38 <leong_> saw that kencjohnston.. i need help from anni and rock on that 21:46:43 <shamail> exactly kencjohnston 21:46:47 <kencjohnston> Does anyone else consider themselves a regular reviewer? 21:46:52 <shamail> leong_ is pretty active too 21:47:15 <rockyg> Im trying to get back into it 21:47:20 <leong_> i volunter myself :) 21:47:21 <kencjohnston> Even if you aren't core we can still use more review, I've found myself missing things on reviews that would have benefitted from a larger reviewing community 21:47:23 <barrett1> I'm getting spun back up and will be more timely moving forward 21:47:24 <shamail> This is one of the topics at the mid-cycle, but yes, we need to get more reviews going.. 21:47:32 <shamail> kencjohnston: +1 21:47:46 <pchadwick> guilty - need to start 21:47:54 <annilai> I can help review too 21:48:01 <shamail> barrett1: I'd like for a core to at least look at https://review.openstack.org/265998 this week, it needs one more core reviewer at a minimum 21:48:05 <shamail> Thanks everyone! 21:48:05 <kencjohnston> shamail ok, didn't meant o jump the gun. Not complaining, but I think if we are depending 50% on my ability to review we are in a sad state :) 21:48:12 <shamail> Look forward to your +s and -s 21:48:53 <barrett1> We've got to make it a team effort. 21:48:57 <barrett1> Thanks Shamail 21:48:57 <shamail> kencjohnston: I completely understand... I think this is a good way for our WG to conduct discussions and stay updated 21:49:12 <shamail> Thanks barrett1, that's all for now... we can discuss further next week! 21:49:18 <barrett1> #topic Opens 21:49:25 <shamail> I have a small open 21:49:25 <barrett1> RockyG: Do you want to start off? 21:50:19 <barrett1> ping rockyg 21:50:33 <barrett1> Shamail: Go ahead while rockyg gets back to us 21:50:36 <shamail> I have registered #openstack-product and submitted patches to update the relevant bot config files... Please start idling there when you are on IRC. :-) 21:50:44 <rockyg> o/ 21:50:52 <shamail> The channel also shows repo activity so it will give a reminder to go review things :) 21:50:57 <rockyg> couple of things.... 21:51:00 <shamail> That's all 21:51:02 <barrett1> Shamail: That's great - Thanks!! Can you add that to our wiki page too? 21:51:07 <kencjohnston> shamail nice work, thanks! 21:51:08 <shamail> Will do barrett1 21:51:09 <rockyg> what is core? 21:51:21 <barrett1> ? 21:51:32 <rockyg> and names vs. services 21:51:48 <shamail> barrett1: rockyg is listing out some interesting topics in mailing lists this week 21:51:55 <rockyg> so, there is a shakeout with big tent 21:52:19 <rockyg> leading to discussion on what is core 21:52:37 <barrett1> rockyg: is that the same as OpenCore? 21:52:40 <kencjohnston> rockyg I've been following, could you provide links for those who haven't? 21:52:44 <pchadwick> Is this an extension of DefCore or a debate about DefCore? 21:52:52 <shamail> mainly whether our projects can require items to implement that are not free. 21:52:56 <rockyg> and now also splitting the summit ansd design summit 21:53:06 <shamail> Poppy came up as the example. 21:53:09 <kencjohnston> pchadwick not DefCore related. 21:53:26 <leong_> u mean what project should be considered "core" openstack ? 21:53:35 <rockyg> I'd love to, but my puter is being difficult 21:53:43 <kencjohnston> pchadwick questions about adding projects that require commercial services in order to be tested. 21:53:56 <shamail> I'll try to find it 21:54:07 <kencjohnston> as well as a general discussion about our "no open core" stance. 21:54:09 <thingee> for those that are curious about what rockyg is talking about and if you don't have time to keep up with the developer mailing list I recommend reading the dev digest that's posted weekly to the OpenStack blog 21:54:11 <thingee> http://www.openstack.org/blog/2016/02/openstack-developer-mailing-list-digest-20160205/ 21:54:14 <shamail> leong_, rockyg: I believe this related to revisiting no open core 21:54:16 <pchadwick> kencjohnston: Services but not code?? 21:54:18 * hughhalf picked up some of these in Lwood - the summit one is likely to be long running I suspect 21:54:19 <thingee> I summarize things the best I can on these digests 21:54:21 <kencjohnston> thingee +1 21:54:23 <shamail> thanks thingee 21:54:26 <hughhalf> +1 thingee 21:54:37 <kencjohnston> pchadwick yes 21:54:55 <leong_> thanks thingee 21:54:58 <thingee> if anyone has questions on those things, let me know since I'm active in all the discussions. 21:54:59 * hughhalf provides a similar thing here but not as comprehensive as thingee http://hugh.blemings.id.au/openstack/lwood/ 21:55:35 <thingee> yes http://hugh.blemings.id.au/openstack/lwood/ compliments things well from the feedback I gathered on the ops list. 21:56:18 <hughhalf> thanks thingee :) 21:56:32 <shamail> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085748.html (this is the other topic rockyg mentioned) 21:56:38 <thingee> but there are currently issues on where we stand with open core in OpenStack. Also we have an issue being raised with competing projects and how we handle their APIs since they conflict. 21:57:05 <thingee> also the open core discussion http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085855.html 21:57:10 <barrett1> thingee: is there a link to that thread you can post? 21:57:31 <barrett1> thingee: Referring to conflicting projects/APIs 21:57:51 <barrett1> Rockyg: Is there a discussion you want to have or a call to action on these? 21:57:51 <pchadwick> thingee: How will the OpenCore question get resolved? At the board level? 21:57:55 <thingee> barrett1: sure, it was raised when someone announced another backup project ekko http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084739.html 21:58:00 <thingee> there's a lot of debate in there 21:58:28 <barrett1> thingee: Thanks 21:58:36 <thingee> also another thread on beginning to work on a solution for these problems http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085748.html 21:58:42 <rockyg> just wanted to raise awareness. Oh, and the mission statement 21:58:45 <shamail> I also think that the thread discussing the seperation of user conference and design summits might be of interest to folks in PWG.... 21:58:47 <shamail> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086007.html 21:59:05 <thingee> it's a lot to read. I really do recommend reading the digest and then going through the thread for fill ins. 21:59:21 <thingee> shamail: happy to speak on these issues with the group 21:59:25 * hughhalf nods in agreement with thingee 21:59:30 <shamail> thanks thingee 21:59:41 <shamail> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2016-February/002263.html (for mission statement topic) 21:59:52 <MeganR> thank you thingee - great info! 21:59:54 <barrett1> I'll add some time to the agenda for our midcycle to follow-up on these discussions 21:59:54 * shamail wipes sweat from forehead... so many topics to discuss/find 22:00:00 <nateziemann> should the topic above get some time at our midcycle? +1 from me 22:00:26 <barrett1> nateziemann: +1 22:00:27 <nateziemann> barrett1 you beat me by 1 second to that thought :-) 22:00:28 <shamail> barrett1: time check 22:00:30 <annilai> +1 22:00:43 <barrett1> OK - we're out of time! See (some) of you next week! Safe travels 22:00:47 <leong_> +1 22:00:50 <pchadwick> bye! 22:00:55 <cloudrancher> adios! 22:00:57 <shamail> Look forward to the mid-cycle! 22:00:58 <leong_> see u in Manchester/London 22:00:59 <MeganR> bye 22:01:01 <barrett1> #endmeeting