02:02:11 #startmeeting Product Working Group 02:02:12 Meeting started Tue May 17 02:02:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hughhalf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:02:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 02:02:15 The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' 02:02:18 * hughhalf is new to this 02:02:24 #topic Roll Call 02:02:25 hi / 02:02:31 hi/ 02:02:32 hi again :) 02:02:36 o/ 02:02:36 hi all 02:02:40 hi/ 02:03:00 any other takers for the roll call ? 02:03:01 o/ 02:03:22 * hughhalf notes with thanks kei and leong for assiting in pulling the meeting together :) 02:03:37 no problem! 02:03:47 no problem at all. 02:03:48 I don't see any other roll call-ees so lets go to the next topic in the agenda - Summit Recap 02:04:00 #topic Summit Recap 02:04:21 leong and kei please interject if I miss things :) 02:04:25 (or anyone else) 02:04:32 sure! 02:04:46 sure thing. 02:05:05 For the Summit Recap - I'll put in a little note for a post I did that summaries all the different Project summaries that went to the list; http://hugh.blemings.id.au/2016/05/17/openstack-summit-austin-2016-summary-of-summaries/ 02:05:45 I'd welcome other Summit Recap style things though please if folk have them 02:06:22 anyone has any feedback/comments from the summit? 02:06:41 Were many people that are here today at the Summit ? 02:07:00 i am 02:07:26 I was at summit. 02:07:34 hughhalf: that's a nice page. 02:07:42 i was but could not attend PWG sessions 02:07:51 i was there. 02:07:59 * hughhalf thanks kei 02:08:38 fredli, shintaro, did you find the summit useful ? 02:09:13 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Working_Session_AUS 02:09:16 hughhalf: yes as always! 02:09:27 please note there is a updated workflow after reviewing with the TC/Board 02:09:31 shintaro, excellent! 02:09:37 #link Revised workflow https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories#User_Story_Workflow 02:09:43 hughhalf: yes. face to face is always good. 02:09:58 yes, hard to beat IRL discussions to be sure :) 02:10:29 My sense is that there's not a lot of Summit Recap to discuss, shall we move on to the Workflow Revision as that was next on the agenda ? Leong would you like to lead this ? 02:10:36 ok 02:11:02 #topic Workflow Revision 02:11:18 thanks 02:11:20 hughhalf can use set the next topic 02:11:29 #topic Workflow Revision 02:11:39 thanks 02:11:46 np 02:11:48 there is a revised workflow 02:11:54 #link Revised workflow https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories#User_Story_Workflow 02:12:05 please have a look and let us know if you have any questions 02:12:46 Looks reasonable to me 02:12:51 the revised workflow takes into consideration the feedback from TC/board 02:13:18 the action "gap and overlap analysis" is new, cool 02:14:20 yup.. so a user story potentially can lead into a new project depending on the analysis outcome 02:14:29 it's a good model I think 02:14:30 What is Implementation Plan? 02:14:30 so it will be important to attend cross project meeting 02:14:35 instead of just cross-project spec in the past 02:15:12 the implementation plan will lead into 3 potential path 02:15:50 we shall update the wiki page to elaborate what an implementation plan is 02:16:02 hughhalf, please put that action item to me 02:16:25 leong: So does this mean that PWG will also treat non cross project user stories? 02:16:26 so the implementation plan is some kind of documentation to decide which path the use case should take? 02:16:28 #action leong to work with shamail to update the wiki to elaborate what an implementation plan is 02:16:29 #action leong to update the Wiki Page to explain the implementation plan 02:16:47 kei, potentially yes! 02:17:08 leong: that's nice. thanks. 02:17:30 so in this morning "us-region" product wg meeting, Product WG will collaborate with the OPNFV community for user stories 02:17:51 #topic User Story review/merge/discuss 02:18:24 Yes that scrollback is probably worth reviewing if people have it - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-05-16-21.01.log.html 02:18:59 some action item from "us-region" meeting: 02:19:10 #link action item from us-region meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-05-16-21.01.html 02:19:26 Thanks leong good call 02:19:42 next week the team will review the status of the top 5 user story 02:20:02 I think they are reviewing in a phone call then minuting in an etherpad 02:20:27 two of the user-stories 'ha vm' and 'baremetal' are mainly driven from this team here from apac region 02:20:54 yes... the review will be done over phone 02:20:54 are the right people in the loop to participate in that discussion do you think leong ? 02:21:11 i will definitely be in the call 02:21:23 excellent 02:21:29 would anyone from NTT be able to attend? 02:21:40 especially for the ha_vm user story 02:21:43 me shintaro and kazu 02:21:59 the ha_vm user story is coordinated by Pete (suse) 02:22:06 what time? 02:22:18 US pacific at 2pm 02:22:45 * hughhalf nods 02:22:53 is that 6am in Tokyo with current timezone/dst 02:23:08 kei was in the call this morning, is that 6am? 02:23:19 leong: yes. it is. 02:23:20 Yes, I believe it's 0600h 02:23:33 leong: where can I find the details of this meeting? 02:23:42 * hughhalf buys the .jp folk a virtual espresso for that session 02:23:49 http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-05-16-21.01.html 02:23:55 leong: thanks that may work 02:24:23 with some espresso! 02:24:25 talking about the ha_vm , is there any discussion with mistral? 02:25:01 leong: we had some discussion with mistral team. 02:25:41 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha 02:26:05 hughhalf: my virtual espresso (my one year old son) woke up at 6am today and kept me awake by keeping talking to me... 02:26:14 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha 02:26:24 heh, that's the best kind of espresso kei :) 02:26:29 that's good, the objective of next week call for each user story is to update the status and see what help is required to move forward. 02:26:30 Here is the summit discussion of HA-Team. There are work items for mistral 02:26:31 hughhalf: :) 02:26:45 hughhalf: :) 02:26:46 * hughhalf nods at leong 02:27:01 But how to proceed is still under discussion. 02:27:19 The discussion in the summit clarified us some requirements, so I believe I have to revisit the user story of HA VMs to make sure all factors are covered. 02:27:27 it's good the converesation is being had samP - hopefully lessens duplication 02:28:36 I and SamP are working on that. 02:28:37 kazuIchikawa, it will be great if you could update the ha vm user story prior to next week call... 02:28:54 leong: got it! 02:30:08 cool! 02:30:22 for the baremetal.. are we good with the user story? 02:30:54 leong yes it looks reasonable to me 02:31:05 leong: I believe there's no outstanding comments now. 02:31:18 ok.. 02:31:32 the scientific-wg also has interested in ironic/baremetal 02:31:43 but they are more coming from academic/hpc perspective 02:31:58 so they might brought up a different related user story in baremetal 02:32:12 the user story that we are driving here is more from the enterprise workload perspective 02:32:42 the scientific-wg just inaugural in austin and the first meeting is tomorrow on irc channel 02:33:34 sounds good leong - HPC is always good to have in the mix I think for these conversations, particularly as there are more people interested in OpenStack for these applications 02:34:12 leong: thanks for the information. at the summit, i mentioned i may add one more feature to the baremetal user story, which is nmi injection and graceful shutdown for enterprise. 02:34:51 ok kei, it will be great if you could include that prior to next week call 02:34:57 leong: since it can be considered as a single project thing, i haven't added it to the user story yet. but with the new work flow, i think i'll add it. 02:35:29 i think it is fine to include in this user story as this is generally from a "user" perspective 02:35:44 leong: ok. i will do that. 02:35:53 later on in the workflow, the "analysis" stage might lead into a different implementation path 02:35:54 * hughhalf nods 02:36:16 leong: that's right. 02:37:11 that's all i need to discuss for these two user stories 02:37:39 thanks leong 02:37:40 thanks, leong. 02:37:51 anythign else on user stories that people would like to contribute ? 02:38:14 * hughhalf waits another moment 02:38:32 I propose we move on to Open Discussion next then, if there is any 02:38:58 #topic open discussion 02:39:21 I'd welcome any open topics from ya'll (pretending to be Texan there :) 02:39:57 hughhalf: :) in the main meeting today, they've decided three focus areas for newton cycle. 02:40:25 1) validating the updated work flow 02:40:27 Gah, I must have missed that kei, do you recall what they were ? 02:40:47 2) Evolving roadmap themes and corresponding views 02:40:59 3) integration with OPNFV, with a plan to follow that with a Container Community 02:41:14 bingo kei +1 02:41:29 if anyone in this meeting wants to add/change/remove, now is the time i guess :) 02:42:00 looks good but OPNFV use case would be broad 02:42:29 may need a lot of work to prioritize them 02:42:46 * leong agree with shintaro 02:43:45 I think there was some discussion to that effect - that OPNFV would be complex to consider 02:43:55 I guess we can flag that in the meeting 02:44:22 BTW, we gonna have a VoIP meeting in HA-Team tomorrorw (5/18) 9 UTC. Pls find more details at ML [openstack-dev][HA] 02:44:35 thanks samP 02:44:51 any other matters we should discuss in open discussion ? 02:45:03 * hughhalf hopes he's not pushing the meeting too fast 02:45:07 basically trying to integrate the flow of user stories from OPNFV community into OpenStack 02:45:55 samP will be great if you could update that into the user-stories if there is any changes 02:47:12 i think we are good today... 02:47:27 Anything further folks before we close the meeting ? 02:47:47 please try to join the voice call meeting next week.. though is 6am in Japan :-) 02:47:58 Thank you all 02:48:00 I again thank leong and kei for organising things, and to all that participated in the conversations today! 02:48:07 our next regional meeting shall be two weeks later 02:48:12 Have a great week everyone, until next time! :) 02:48:15 * hughhalf nods at leong 02:48:18 thanks all! 02:48:29 thanks! 02:48:30 * leong give all a thumbs up! 02:48:46 All done, thanks folks, I will close the meeting now 02:49:06 #endmeeting