21:00:17 #startmeeting product_working_group 21:00:18 Meeting started Mon Sep 19 21:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is CarolBarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:00:22 The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' 21:00:44 Hi - Who's here for the Product WG meeting? 21:01:12 you can find the agenda here 21:01:21 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#September_19th.2C_2016_Product_Team_Meeting_Agenda 21:01:49 hello 21:02:07 hi 21:02:25 o/ 21:02:54 Hi sgordon - thanks for joining! 21:02:56 * shamail sneaks in 21:03:20 Let's get going 21:03:33 #topic 9/26 meeting leadership 21:03:59 I'm on vacation next week and won't be able to lead this meeting. Any volunteers to take that on? 21:04:44 *was lurking 21:05:29 If there aren't any volunteers then I'll cancel the meeting 21:05:35 cannot commit to run call next week 21:05:42 o/ 21:05:57 do we need to cover sdometing next week for summit? 21:06:00 Im out as well. 21:06:22 arkady: I don't think there is anything pressing 21:06:36 then lets cancel it. 21:06:42 it might be best to cancel - I won't be able to attend, and sounds as if there are several "key" people out next week (certainly not including myself) 21:06:46 sounds good 21:06:55 #action Carol to cancel next week's team meeting 21:07:11 #topic Barcelona Session Planning 21:07:26 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Session_Oct16_BCN 21:07:49 Shamail submitted our requests for Bof and working session. 21:07:58 We should hear back around 10/3 21:08:13 We're using the etherpad to start the planning now 21:08:35 Pls add your thoughts on agenda items 21:08:48 And +1/-1 topics too 21:09:04 what about items we droped from midcycle due to only one day duration? 21:09:04 Also, please keep in mind that we requested 3 hours 21:09:17 so realistically, we can probably focus on 2-3 topics 21:09:27 OK 21:09:42 arkady: Pls go ahead and add topics you think we should consider. Time will be tight as always 21:09:45 also ocata is short cycle 21:09:54 let's be realistic what we can do during it 21:09:55 how convienent 21:10:12 lol 21:10:14 good point 21:10:37 Arkady_Kanevsky: +1 21:10:42 From the roadmap updates, seems like many projects are planning to focus on stabilization for ocata 21:11:30 any questions or discussion on this? 21:11:51 nope - agree 21:11:56 I think we should lockdown our plan in our meeting on the 10th 21:12:20 OK - moving on... 21:12:30 #topic User Stories 21:13:05 The focus of this agenda item is to understand Barcelona plans and support needed for each user story 21:13:27 kencjohnston - are you here? 21:14:01 I think Pete is on vacation and Leong is traveling 21:14:14 Shamail - Can you talk to Capacity Management? 21:14:23 The capacity management user story will not have much to do at this summit except for sharing the updated user story (based on findings from the UX study on quotas) and checking on the status of related items (e.g. shelfed instance accounting, nested quotas, delimiter) 21:14:40 Will essentially firm up user story before summit and monitor whether it is in-line with community needs at summit 21:14:59 Sounds good - do you need any help? 21:15:13 I will also try speaking with people to see if others are interested in helping to move it forward (Scientific community has an interest) 21:15:24 Good for now, thanks though CarolBarrett 21:15:38 OK 21:15:40 Shamail, I am working on some edits to capacity management based on some NFV requirements. NFV community has an interest. 21:16:00 When will workflow go from draft to solid? 21:16:07 Thanks MadhuKashyap, I’ll keep an eye out for them and reach out to you if I need to understand anything. 21:16:08 It would be good to discuss with NFV community at the summit. 21:16:22 Arkady_Kanevsky: This story has no resources committed so it can’t move until then 21:16:29 MadhuKashyap: +1 21:16:42 Thanks 21:16:46 I’ll email you to see what will be the best way to do that 21:17:04 ok. I will also add it to the etherpad. 21:17:05 OK. on capacity management can I get a few reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358888/? 21:17:31 working on the reviews. 21:18:23 All sounds good 21:18:34 KrishR - can you cover fleet management 21:19:09 CarolBarrett: I can, though it's gone down in priority in OSIC 21:19:30 OSIC? 21:19:36 Why don't you give folks an update on that and the plans for Barcelona 21:20:36 Arkady_Kanevsky, https://osic.org/ 21:20:36 now, or later? 21:20:42 now pls 21:21:10 Plan for barcelona is to do a MVP of Inventory with 2-3 audit/remediation workflows 21:21:18 one of the workflows is the OSA Security Role 21:21:42 remaining workflows still TBD 21:21:57 there is a session under Ops Tools on Tue. 10/25 21:22:28 what's an MVP? 21:22:30 Can use a few reviews for fleet management PR - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358781/ ? 21:22:32 beyond that, I'm a bit out of the loop as Rackspace is doing their own internal planning to decide next steps 21:22:50 MVP=Minimal Viable Product 21:23:52 Thanks 21:24:17 i can check with Kenny later this week to get an update from Rackspace 21:24:18 moving forward, will you continue to lead this team? 21:24:44 am looking for someone else to step up, until then I'm the lead 21:25:14 OK, thanks for making sure we get a good hand-off 21:25:25 +1 21:25:34 +1 21:25:51 +1 21:26:07 Do you need any help with your Summit plans? 21:26:50 CarolBarrett: was that question for me? 21:26:53 Yes 21:27:02 I wont be at the Summit 21:27:12 Wondering if you need any help with the MVP, etc. 21:27:28 I'm going to ask Kenny if he can help 21:27:41 who is going to present the status of fleet at the summit? 21:28:08 during the Product WG meeting? 21:28:13 yes 21:28:36 I'm hoping it will be Kenny, otherwise I'll have to dial in 21:28:37 Kenny? 21:28:44 +1 21:29:32 OK 21:29:53 Anything else on User Story plans for Barcelona from anyone? 21:31:14 #topic CPL updates 21:31:29 Arkady_kanevsky: Are you ready for Rally update? 21:31:35 yes 21:32:10 biggest chunk of work for newton was refactoring plugins 21:32:51 The goal is for Ocata to split rally into frameowrk and plugins repos 21:32:59 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1plwLpHm4PckQLvQra8yvyWzAyQz2SWsWWzZ36NiyT-A/edit#slide=id.p4 21:33:10 addintion to case scenarios. 21:33:33 Plugins for Magnum, Monasco, Senlin, Watcher 21:33:46 that's pretty cool. Much better architecture 21:33:51 More cleanup, more scalability 21:34:13 adding steraming algorithms and finally support for multiple API versions 21:34:28 The last one is critical for upgrades and microversions support 21:34:47 Good! 21:35:00 For Ocata move to have Rally as a service as part of deployment for multuple distros and vendors 21:35:05 Very nice 21:35:10 What does that mean? 21:35:12 HA testsing and reliability 21:35:15 RaaS? 21:35:44 Raas and RAS 21:35:52 all inone ;-) 21:35:53 LOL 21:36:05 Rally is part of deployment so you can validate (tempest) before and after upgrade, or new deployments, 21:36:40 You can have rally service run independent from OpenStack deployments and compare rally results between different deplpoyments 21:36:59 That sounds like a good benefit 21:37:04 both for validation and for prefromance and for specific scenario testing 21:37:40 Can be extended to use not just keystone but other identity management. 21:38:13 Longer term to be able to test pure kubernetes with or without opentstack deployment. 21:38:33 Rally is very ambitions project... 21:38:54 any other questoins? 21:40:02 I am also talking to them about configuration capture. That is one of the reasons I am proposing separate project to capture SW and HW config. Rally needs it as well as refstack 21:40:13 Done 21:40:13 Will we be able to get data on Rally usage moving forward? 21:40:47 I will try. I thought that is part of questionare that fgoundation send out. 21:41:05 Heidi is in a better position to answer it. I will ping her 21:41:22 I think they are doing a light survey this time. 21:41:36 Would be good to know if people actually use Rally to validate their installation... 21:41:42 will check with Heidi 21:41:45 ++ 21:41:57 Thanks 21:42:07 Anyone else have anything for Arkady? 21:43:15 OK - Let's move on.. 21:43:28 #topic Community Roadmap 21:43:33 Shamail - Can you take this? 21:43:40 Sure 21:43:59 The community roadmap team is making great progress and we have collected the majority of the data needed for this next release 21:44:17 we are waiting confirmation on content from about 3-4 projects and still working to collect data on another 4-5 21:44:36 We believe we will be in a good condition to review the draft of the roadmap by this Thursday 21:45:07 Yay! 21:45:22 We have setup a call at 1700UTC on 9/22, use this link to join if interested: https://zoom.us/j/272384703 21:45:59 Also, there will be a marketing preview of the Newton release on 9/27 21:46:16 Do you all have details (sent out to marketing ML) or should I send it to our ML? 21:47:02 Please send it out to the PWG ML. 21:47:04 That’s all I had 21:47:09 Okay MadhuKashyap 21:47:23 For the summit presentation of roadmmap, please use my speaker slot for someone who has been working this topic. 21:48:03 Alright rocky_g, thanks for the update 21:48:08 +1 21:48:16 +2 21:48:44 Shamail, any help needed on any unfihished projects? 21:49:05 Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky, I think we are good… most projects have assigned owners (just waiting on responses) 21:49:11 On another note, I have two more projects to add 21:49:26 We had to project teams (DragonFlow and Karbor) reach out to us to be included 21:49:36 The more the merrier as long as they were willing to provide the info :) 21:49:56 agree. can they generate a singel slide for hteir roadmap? 21:49:59 that's good to hear! 21:50:13 Yep, they sent me the data and i’ll build it for them Arkady_Kanevsky 21:50:15 We will still need to figure our who will be CPL for them 21:50:16 Agreed CarolBarrett 21:50:21 They don’t need a CPL 21:50:23 +1 21:50:35 CPL is only for projects with high adoption and potentially user story dependencies 21:50:51 I should have said don’t need a CPL (yet) 21:51:13 will they maintain their roadmap slides? will they be able to participate on our call once in a while to provide updtae? 21:51:20 * shamail passes the mic back to Carol 21:51:44 They won’t have to Arkady_Kanevsky, we generally do that. If nooone volunteers to pick it up then they will have to reach out to us with the data. 21:52:02 OK 21:52:02 Roadmap is built on availability of volunteers and adoption data sets the priority 21:52:22 I wonder if we should consider setting up a self-service process for projects - all of them...? 21:52:29 CarolBarrett: +1 21:52:37 It would be easy to do 21:52:55 That would allow us to actively work with highly adopted projects (if they dont use self-service) but everyone else can opt-in 21:53:04 as long as we have template, sample and list of questoins. 21:53:15 +1 21:53:33 need to create outreach subteam for new projects 21:53:34 We could then just send out a reminder email on dev ML and things would happen 21:53:59 Sounds good to me 21:54:06 CarolBarrett: We can discuss that as a potential summit topic or I can setup a roadmap debrief meeting after the busy season ends 21:54:14 We can try for that during the next cycle 21:54:18 Great idea 21:54:19 We could get the release team to add it to the dev schedule 21:54:26 love it 21:54:41 Pls add it to to the Barcelona planning etherpad so we don't lose the topic 21:54:47 will do 21:55:08 thanks 21:55:31 Any other opens? 21:55:45 I’ll be in Seattle next week if anyone happens to be in the area :) 21:56:00 good luck 21:56:14 I think there is an OpenDayLight event (https://www.opendaylight.org/events/2016-09-27-000000-2016-09-29-000000/opendaylight-summit-2016) 21:56:15 Have a good trip! 21:56:27 Im not going for the event but it increases chances of others being there 21:56:30 Thanks CarolBarrett 21:57:13 If there's nothing else, we can all have 3 mins back... :) 21:57:22 WFM 21:57:25 bye everybody 21:57:25 :) 21:57:29 Bye 21:57:32 #endmeeting