06:01:51 #startmeeting product_working_group 06:01:52 Meeting started Tue Feb 7 06:01:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:01:53 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 06:01:55 The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' 06:01:58 hi! 06:02:01 hello kei 06:02:10 hi leong 06:02:23 how are you doing kei... 06:02:40 leong: i'm great, thanks. 06:03:02 You can find the agenda for today here: 06:03:16 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team 06:04:13 leong: can we start with the first agenda? 06:04:16 anyone else for the Product WG regional meeting? 06:04:30 i believe there're hieulq and tovin07 06:05:00 o/ 06:05:12 hi tovin07 06:05:21 hello kei :D 06:05:26 nice :) 06:05:52 let's move on to the first agenda itm 06:05:57 ok 06:06:04 #topic User Story 06:06:24 I have submitted a User Story Tracker for Baremetal.. 06:06:33 #link Baremetal Tracker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429946/ 06:06:35 leong: thank you. 06:06:43 it is still work-in-progress. 06:07:12 there are still more information need to be included. 06:07:27 that's why it is marked "WIP: 06:07:48 i will try to fill up the rest of the information over the next few days 06:08:23 leong: sounds great. 06:08:46 if you have any question, feel free to reply/comment on the gerrit patch 06:09:17 leong: so you'll be adding more features to the file, right? 06:09:36 yup.. basically based on the gap-analysis document 06:09:44 currently, there're Console, NMI, Graceful shutdown, and unified management. 06:09:54 leong: i see. 06:10:13 leong: sounds like it's my job... thanks again. 06:10:29 not problem :-) 06:11:02 just bring me a snack from Japan next time we meet :) 06:11:23 leong: sure :) 06:13:10 once we got more details to merge the tracker, we should be able to see the data on featuretracker.openstack.org (but the site is down now) 06:14:20 leong: ok. i'll take a look at the site later once it's back online. 06:14:51 sure 06:15:28 leong: as for posting a revised patch for bare metal user story, i haven't done it yet. i'll do that this week to start a dicussion of "Wei vs new persona" 06:15:46 ok.. thanks kei 06:16:38 leong: sorry, but there's not much updates for bare metal. can we move on to the logging (the name may be changed) user story? 06:16:47 sure! 06:17:04 hieulq: are you there? 06:17:18 he will be late for a little bit 06:17:27 sorry for that 06:18:12 tovin07: no problem. 06:18:13 i believe Rockyg from Huawei also interested to work on Logging 06:18:41 The LCOO working group also interested to collaborate on Logging user story 06:18:42 leong: yes, i communicated with her before. 06:19:25 leong: by "Logging user story", do you mean our user story that we were going to submit? 06:19:54 o/ 06:20:02 yes.. but collaborate with Huawei and LCOO to define the user story requirements as a grou 06:20:05 group 06:20:12 sorry for being late, my lap met some troubles 06:20:17 leong: understood. 06:21:17 leong: like we discussed last time, our requirement tend to be tracing. but we have some requirements for logging two. we may need to sort them out first. 06:21:27 hieulq: hi. no problem. 06:22:25 kei: that shouldn't be a problem.. let's continue to draft our requirements here, and can invite others to review 06:22:53 leong: as for tracing, we're finalizing it now. hieulq was on holidays last week and revised and sent a revised one to me yesterday. apprecaite that, hieulq. 06:23:15 maybe we should name it as "Logging for traceability" 06:23:20 kei, my pleasure ;) 06:23:38 leong, we are drafting it with the name "distributed tracing" 06:23:53 we're trying to clearly divide our requirements into logging and tracing so that we can post the tracing user story dependently for review. 06:24:25 hieulq: that's fine.. as long as we clearly define the 'problem statement' 06:24:29 logging should be more complicated as many people are interested and their requirement may be similar, but differnt in details. 06:24:44 kei: agree 06:25:22 leong: we'll try to submit the user story this week. 06:25:27 hieulq: let's get it done :) 06:25:47 that's great. Thanks for the effort, kei and hieulq 06:26:43 leong: sorry it's taking time. 06:26:43 drop me the link when it is submitted 06:26:52 leong: sure thing. 06:27:36 leong: hieulq: tovin07: sorry, but my network is not good today. that's why there's sometimes a silence from my side... 06:29:59 let me know if you need help on submitting the user story 06:30:47 leong: thanks! 06:31:04 leong: should we move on to Opens? 06:31:10 sure 06:31:25 #topic Opens 06:31:45 does anyone have any other topics to discuss today? 06:31:52 FYI.. here's the link to the minutes of US timezone meeting this morning 06:32:10 #link US meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-06-21.00.html 06:32:37 in summary, the midcycle is still planning-in-progress, pending PWG attendance confirmation 06:32:42 and location 06:33:09 for the Boston summit, i have submitted a "working session" for PWG 06:33:24 kenny submitted a Birds_of_feather session for PWG 06:33:29 leong: yes. thanks for the submission. 06:33:43 leong: i see. 06:33:57 I also submitted another session (with AndyU + Kei) to promote Product WG to the community 06:34:21 Shamail submitted a Roadmap session 06:34:27 leong: thanks so much. 06:34:52 Kencjohnston and Arcady_Kanevsky might also work on an update for "rolling-upgrade" user story 06:35:41 leong: i think i'll be there as some fujitsu engineers are invovled in the rolling-upgrade development. 06:35:44 that's about the sessions i am aware of from Product WG perspective 06:35:58 nice kei 06:36:27 Another thing for the Forum. 06:36:50 PWG is making a proposal to facilitate the upcoming Forum 06:36:50 leong: ok. do you have any ideas how many presentations will be taken place this time at the summit? usually the number is over 1000. 06:37:02 leong: oh sorry, go ahead. 06:37:09 no problem kei.. 06:37:36 i have no clue on the amount of presentation :) 06:37:52 here's the link to the PWG proposal 06:38:07 #link Proposal to facilitate Forum: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jTlO4UdNjc5cOKboeCNhLDEdttazWWlDgNxxulUrPNg/edit 06:38:24 we will discuss this proposal in the next UC meeting 06:38:30 feel free to comments on the slides 06:39:17 that's my updates from the US-meeting 06:39:20 :) 06:44:37 leong: i just took a quick look at it. looks like a good thing to do. i'll look into it more later. 06:44:52 thanks! 06:45:47 leong: if the slide deck has its purpose (or issues to address) explicitely, it'd be even better? 06:46:29 +1 great point 06:46:41 i will look into that 06:46:51 "issues to address" might not be appropriate here. maybe "things to achieve"? 06:47:15 "Filling the gap" ? 06:47:43 leong: it might be it. 06:50:49 ok, anything else? 06:51:04 nothing from e 06:51:05 me 06:51:35 ok. let's finish it today. thanks everyone! 06:52:04 thanks kei! 06:52:08 #endmeeting