21:01:18 <shamail> #startmeeting product_working_group 21:01:18 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Oct 16 21:01:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:01:19 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:01:21 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' 21:01:23 <shamail> hi everyohne 21:01:29 <shamail> #topic roll-call 21:01:35 <Arkady_Kanevsky> hi Shamail 21:01:35 <shamail> who is here for the PWG meeting today? 21:01:39 <shamail> Hi Arkady_Kanevsky 21:02:19 <shamail> Looks like it’s just us so far 21:02:35 <shamail> Leong said he might be running late but with even the three of us there isn’t really a quorum 21:02:44 <shamail> Let’s give it 5 min 21:03:34 <rockyg> o/ 21:03:43 <Arkady_Kanevsky> sure 21:04:09 <shamail> hi rockyg 21:04:26 <rockyg> Hey! 21:05:02 <rockyg> Definitely not going to Sydney. Sleep apnea makes it not worth while until I have it under control. 21:05:19 <shamail> :( 21:05:24 <shamail> I’m not there either 21:05:33 <Arkady_Kanevsky> I will be there. 21:05:38 <shamail> nice Arkady_Kanevsky 21:05:56 <Arkady_Kanevsky> Does that mean I handle BOF and PWG sessions? 21:05:57 <shamail> Well, this should be a quick meeting… let’s get started 21:06:15 <Arkady_Kanevsky> OK. 21:06:17 <shamail> Leong will be there too but your help would be greatly appreciated by him I’m sure 21:06:28 <rockyg> ++ 21:06:31 <shamail> #topic Review action items from previous meeting 21:06:32 <Arkady_Kanevsky> glad to help 21:06:37 <shamail> good timing leong 21:06:40 <shamail> #chair leong 21:06:41 <openstack> Current chairs: leong shamail 21:06:43 <leong> hi folks.. :-) 21:06:47 <Arkady_Kanevsky> hello 21:06:50 <shamail> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-10-09-21.00.html 21:06:50 <leong> sorry was deplayed by previous meeting 21:07:03 <shamail> Action Item: Arkady_Kanevsky to check with shamail on any slidedecsk to present/explain PWG workflow 21:07:22 <shamail> Want to give an overview Arkady_Kanevsky? 21:08:06 <Arkady_Kanevsky> Shamail. I got an email that I will be added to present 2 things for SIG venue 21:08:43 <shamail> Nice 21:08:53 <Arkady_Kanevsky> One of these is to present our workflow and walk thru + and - for it. Then SIG can decide to adopt it, agment it or ignore it 21:09:09 <shamail> Sounds good 21:09:33 <Arkady_Kanevsky> Shamail, I am looking for your old presentation of worflow and want to work with you to update it to the latest for SIG presentation 21:09:47 <Arkady_Kanevsky> I recall you had one in google doc. 21:09:48 <shamail> The latest workflow is actually on the wiki page (https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/c/ce/Development_Proposal_Workflow.png) 21:09:57 <shamail> We do need to update it based on recent decisions 21:10:14 <shamail> Let me see if I can find the old slides 21:10:24 <Arkady_Kanevsky> That is the image. But you also had presentation 21:11:12 <shamail> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nU1DnyFxVlck3lvR7GrXI8tjQaMMIy0GFLPsYzne7ag/edit#slide=id.g1f441c5038_0_189 21:11:47 <shamail> This is older but could be updated: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1dZBm4cfpSyVlvPLpHSReaQiZ7e8SfgS7VLSbSqoWokw/edit 21:11:50 <Arkady_Kanevsky> I think we need to update it to better fit META SIG to be useful for all SIGs for development of proposals 21:12:04 <shamail> I think we should create a new one using the chart as the basis 21:12:06 <shamail> Arkady_Kanevsky: +1 21:12:21 <Arkady_Kanevsky> +1 21:12:25 <leong> _1 21:12:27 <leong> +1 21:12:29 <shamail> #action Arkady_Kanevsky and shamail to work on updated development proposal workflow to be used in Sydney 21:12:40 <shamail> Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky 21:12:43 <Arkady_Kanevsky> Thanks for slide. I will work from there and then sent to this team fpor review 21:12:52 <shamail> #topic Sydney Plans 21:12:58 <shamail> #chair leong 21:12:59 <openstack> Current chairs: leong shamail 21:13:08 <shamail> Working Session 21:13:16 <shamail> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20411/product-working-group-wg 21:13:23 <shamail> Working session is scheduled, link has details 21:13:34 <shamail> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-product-wg-working-session 21:13:56 <leong> all: please suggest agenda to the working session 21:14:03 <shamail> Please items to the etherpad for topics that would benefit from a face to face discussion 21:14:37 <shamail> #action All - Please add items to be discussed at working session in Sydney to the working session etherpad 21:14:53 <leong> we will try to establish a voice bridge during the working session for folks who are interested to join remotely 21:15:00 <Arkady_Kanevsky> The second presentation was on tracking proposal progress. I recall Leong run it with all machineary for track progress, incl;uding patch submission for it/ 21:15:02 <shamail> That would be great leong 21:15:15 <shamail> that’s correct Arkady_Kanevsky 21:15:17 <Arkady_Kanevsky> webex session? 21:15:20 <leong> i got the conf-call info from rockyg , will publish on the etherpad 21:15:27 <shamail> We also have a BoF session 21:15:34 <shamail> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20412/product-working-group-bof 21:15:37 <rockyg> Thanks, leong I was just going to ask... 21:16:09 <shamail> This session is meant for introducing interested community members to the Product Team 21:16:18 <leong> we haven't got a specific plan for BoF yet... 21:16:19 <shamail> We will probably need a deck for this one 21:16:51 <shamail> FYI: These two sessions are back to back as well 21:16:56 <Arkady_Kanevsky> at laest PWG charter 21:17:03 <leong> not sure who will be attending the BoF, potentially we can just re-use previous BoF slide to introduce Product Team and with the updated charter 21:17:13 <Arkady_Kanevsky> 2 different days: Monday and Tuesday 21:17:29 <shamail> Arkady_Kanevsky: I think charter, new approach, alignment with WGs/SIGs, and some items we need others to help with 21:17:43 <shamail> Arkady_Kanevsky: They both show as Tuesday 21:17:51 <leong> Arkady_Kanevsky: same day, back to back.. same room 21:18:00 <leong> Working Session go first, then follow by BoF 21:18:06 <shamail> leong: ++ 21:18:23 <shamail> Anyone want to volunteer to create the first draft of the BoF presentation? 21:18:47 <leong> i can put up a draft for BoF 21:18:53 <shamail> Thanks leong 21:19:09 <shamail> #action Leong will create draft presentation for BoF session 21:19:28 <shamail> There is also a SIG/WG/UC meeting 21:19:41 <shamail> I don’t think there is an agenda there yet… is this even scheduled? 21:19:47 <shamail> or was this something we wanted to request? 21:20:00 <shamail> I think it would be good to add this item to whatever UC meeting is planned 21:20:27 <shamail> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20496/user-committee-planning-activities-for-next-cycle 21:21:00 <shamail> Anyone else want to discuss anything related to Sydney? 21:21:22 <leong> there seems to have many interesting Forum topics... 21:21:33 <shamail> Agreed 21:21:36 <leong> #link Forum : forumtopics.openstack.org 21:22:05 <shamail> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Forum 21:22:36 <shamail> #topic Open 21:22:43 <shamail> Anything else to discuss today? 21:22:46 <Arkady_Kanevsky> none from ,e 21:22:48 <Arkady_Kanevsky> me 21:23:03 <rockyg> nope 21:23:03 <shamail> Ditto/ 21:23:06 <leong> good for me today 21:23:12 <shamail> Sounds good, thank you everyone! 21:23:19 <rockyg> Thanks! 21:23:25 <shamail> #endmeeting