21:02:21 #startmeeting project 21:02:22 Meeting started Tue Apr 30 21:02:21 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:02:23 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:02:25 The meeting name has been set to 'project' 21:02:27 mordred: autoscaling 21:02:27 mordred, auto scaling 21:02:39 #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting 21:02:40 gotcha 21:02:48 Back to our regular schedule, let's see if it all fits in one hour :) 21:02:53 hahahahahaha 21:03:00 mordred: AutoScaling 21:03:02 Among other things we'll look into the published Havana plans and see how complete they are so far 21:03:16 hahahahaha 21:03:17 #topic General stuff 21:03:30 (autoscaling) 21:03:39 annegentle: You targeted today for the Grizzly doc release 21:03:48 annegentle: How are you doing so far ? Need help for anything urgent ? 21:03:57 ttx: yep. Should push through after/during this meeting. WOO. 21:04:03 WOO 21:04:07 ttx: infra has been super responsive 21:04:28 annegentle: so it's not just for me 21:05:00 apevec/markmc: Still planning to do a 2013.1.1 on May 9 ? 21:05:24 jeblair/mordred, sdague/davidkranz: News from Infra/QA teams ? 21:05:25 ttx,yes, plan is to have 2013.1.1 RC this week 21:05:31 ttx, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-stable-maint/2013-April/000479.html 21:05:54 ttx: we'd like to get all of the projects migrated to testr sooner rather than later 21:05:57 apevec: help needed ? blockers ? 21:06:12 ttx: so that it's an early cycle rather than late cycle thing 21:06:20 need help reviewing proposed backports, always 21:06:36 mordred: how about filing h1 blueprints to cover for that... then hunt down assignees to do the work ? 21:06:44 but I do not believe we have the manpower to do all the projects ourselves - it would be great if we could get projects to help out with that 21:06:50 ttx: ok. I can do that 21:07:00 ttx, I've seen some periodic stable jobs failing, e.g. https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/periodic-quantum-python26-stable-grizzly/ 21:07:02 I might want to bug the ptls for suggestions of people 21:07:13 mordred: that way you can ignore the projects that are already done 21:07:24 * russellb is very thankful that you guys did it for nova 21:07:27 yay. I love ignoring nova and quantum 21:07:29 and i'll review the unassigned blueprints in this meeting anyway 21:07:31 :) 21:07:45 so it won't fall in a blackhole (unless the PTL removes it from the list) 21:07:49 mordred: we have testr migration patches about to land 21:08:05 shardy: you are magical ponies 21:08:31 unicorns! 21:08:31 apevec: ok, just raise a flag if you need more help to hit the proposed date 21:08:34 ttx: i assume only h1 bp's need assignee's at this point, correct? 21:08:37 ttx: also, i started with the flake8 migration for everybody, and then wift pointed out that flake8 wasn't pinned in my patches - so I'll be going back to fix that 21:09:00 dolphm: would be great, but i won't yell until next week 21:09:08 s/wift/swift/ 21:09:27 mordred: ok 21:09:32 mordred: s/swift/wift/ 21:09:38 anything else before we go project-specific ? 21:10:16 nope. 21:10:18 #topic Oslo status 21:10:23 markmc: hi again. 21:10:29 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/havana 21:10:46 #info first Oslo project meeting this Friday, May 3rd at 1400 UTC - agenda is messaging work in Havana 21:10:57 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Regular_Meeting_Schedule 21:11:00 right, blueprints 21:11:08 I'm really just getting started massaging them 21:11:22 Looks like they were recently worked on 21:11:23 but the list is the work I know is planned for havana 21:11:29 recently? really? 21:11:32 * markmc looks innocent 21:11:45 rpc-api-review depends on blueprint that is not in plan (no-kombu-default) 21:11:49 what milestones each should be targeted for is still fuzzy 21:11:57 ttx, thanks will fix 21:12:14 otherwise looks good 21:12:31 ok 21:12:38 lots of messaging work planned for havana 21:12:44 markmc: how complete is this list ? 21:12:49 unclear how realistic it is to get it done 21:12:53 50% ? 21:13:05 ttx, there are a few unreviewed blueprints that I need to ping people about 21:13:13 maybe another 3 or 4 to come, I'd say ... max 21:13:23 markmc: should be mostly done by next week ? 21:13:30 ahhr 21:13:46 * markmc will walk the plank otherwise 21:13:49 i may have one for pinning rpc versions on the client side ... 21:13:57 you won('t be alone on that plank I fear 21:13:58 not sure if i filed that, it's filed for nova though 21:14:04 russellb, interesting 21:14:06 * markmc looks 21:14:20 Anything else on the oslo topic ? 21:14:29 * markmc sees https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/rpc-support-for-objects too 21:14:37 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/rpc-version-control 21:14:43 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/rpc-support-for-objects 21:14:44 markmc: ah yes, that's something for nova, too 21:14:46 ttx, nope 21:14:47 thanks 21:14:56 looks like you need to hunt misplaced bps too :) 21:15:03 #topic Keystone status 21:15:08 dolphm: o/ 21:15:09 o/ 21:15:10 misplaced blueprints = my fault 21:15:12 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/havana 21:15:46 lock-user is not in series goal while targeted to a series milestone -- should I add it ? 21:16:23 ttx: hmm, i'd rather untarget the milestone 21:17:02 dolphm: will do. want me to set status for inherited-domain-roles pagination-backend-support and keystone-performance-benchmark to "Not started" ? 21:17:13 please do 21:17:24 will do 21:17:48 Looks good otherwise 21:17:52 Anything more about Keystone ? 21:18:08 we'll probably add a couple more ldap-related bp's in the next week, but that's it 21:18:17 target, not create 21:18:36 cool. we'll probably focus on havana-1 starting next week 21:18:42 #topic Ceilometer status 21:18:46 jd__: o/ 21:18:51 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/havana 21:18:52 all good :-) 21:19:13 You have 38 blueprints in there, how complete is that ? 21:19:17 I think we've most of our blueprints ready now 21:19:44 jd__: General rule: you should set a priority for everything, and a delivery status ("Not started" is way better than "Unknown") 21:19:57 Ideally you should also have an assignee and a target milestone for everything, so that we have a better idea of who does what and when 21:20:01 ttx: yep, I need to work on that 21:20:03 Things without an assignee or a deadline generally tend to not get done 21:20:12 finding an assignee for everything is going to be tricky at this time I think 21:20:19 ttx: ack 21:20:30 assignees should at least be set for the next milestone 21:20:36 Remember you can run ttx.py from https://github.com/ttx/bp-issues to detect issues with the published plan 21:20:53 ttx: didn't know, will look into that, thanks :) 21:21:08 alarming-threshold-evaluation-worker is marked obsolete, can I remove it from the series goal ? 21:21:37 ttx: yep 21:21:43 willdo 21:21:47 Another general rule is that a blueprint should not depend on blueprints with lower priority 21:21:56 Your "alarming" blueprint (High) depends on Medium/Low blueprints -- that should probably be adjusted 21:22:23 That's all I had 21:22:25 indeed 21:22:29 Questions on Ceilometer ? 21:22:55 #topic Swift status 21:22:59 hi 21:23:00 notmyname: o/ 21:23:02 ttx: I'm guessing you have the same comments for me as for jd__? :-) 21:23:03 How is 1.8.1 progressing ? 21:23:36 notmyname: well, i would certainly welcome a bit more priority setting, yes :) 21:23:48 the major thing for 1.8.1 is finishing global clusters. that front is moving well, I think 21:23:54 but prio is only really useful when you have a lot of blueprints 21:24:03 if it's just 1-5, not that much 21:24:12 #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.8.1 21:24:22 Any rough idea of when it's likely to be completed ? 21:24:43 not yet 21:25:01 OK then 21:25:04 Anything more on Swift ? 21:25:13 Thanks for posting that general havana overview btw 21:25:26 you're welcome 21:25:33 I'd love to see work (and help) on those fronts 21:25:38 over the next few months 21:25:40 Other PTLs should probably also post a general havana roadmap overview when they are done filing bPs 21:25:55 +1 21:25:59 our first swift meeting post summit is tomorrow 21:26:04 1900utc 21:26:17 notmyname: anything else ? 21:26:34 nope. questions? 21:26:52 #topic Glance status 21:26:57 markwash: o/ 21:27:02 ahoy 21:27:02 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/havana 21:27:13 I've been doing some quick fixes there after rerunning your script 21:27:20 may want to reload 21:27:43 you have a number of blueprints in the "proposed" list @ 21:27:47 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/havana/+setgoals 21:27:53 You should probably review those and accept/reject them appropriately 21:28:13 ttx: definitely, thanks for the link 21:28:34 inherited-image-property-support is probably off, since it's marked obsolete 21:28:41 yup 21:28:43 gridfs-store has been implemented and therefore should probably be accepted ? 21:28:52 I'll let you go through it :) 21:29:00 markwash: How complete is that list (accepted + proposed) ? 21:29:16 doe that reflect the summit outcomes ? 21:29:19 does* 21:29:21 not entirely 21:29:32 for one, we need to break out and further discuss the upload/download workflow 21:29:49 think the list should be good by next week ? 21:29:55 I hope so. . 21:29:59 all marks on the plank 21:30:01 * markwash struggles with launchapad 21:30:11 we've had glance team meetings to go through the bps to get a sense 21:30:13 markwash: feel free to hit me with questions 21:30:20 the glance team is taking a pretty hands on approach to bp management 21:30:35 which is making the process a bit slower, but hopefully the outcome will be better because of it 21:30:48 agreed 21:30:49 by next week we should be in good shape, at least for H1 21:30:55 sounds good 21:30:56 Anything more on Glance ? 21:30:59 ttx: I will definitely ask you some questions afterwards 21:31:04 not from me, thanks 21:31:14 #topic Quantum status 21:31:18 markmcclain: hi! 21:31:21 hi 21:31:22 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/havana 21:31:59 20 blueprints in... and 30+ proposed @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/havana/+setgoals 21:32:08 So this is still work in progress, I guess :) 21:32:13 yep :) 21:32:29 Who is working on quantum-api-wadl ? It's in progress and targeted to havana-1... 21:33:07 Alex Xu was working on it 21:33:24 it was working carried over from Grizzly 21:33:44 ok, maybe assign him to it 21:33:49 When do you think you'll have a Havana plan that matches your current knowledge of the plans that everyone showed up at summit ? 21:34:24 I set a final deadline of Friday.. so should have everything in for next week 21:34:33 markmcclain: awesome 21:34:51 markmcclain: making progress on that new code name ? 21:35:11 random codename idea: Tantrum 21:35:17 haha 21:35:27 * russellb thinks of network traffic flying around like a digital temper tantrum 21:35:39 Anything else on Quantum ? 21:36:04 still working on it.. none of the names have really excited anyone 21:36:36 #topic Cinder status 21:36:43 jgriffith: o/ 21:36:43 hey there 21:36:47 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/havana 21:37:12 Still have a lot to review in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/havana/+setgoals 21:37:29 In particular https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/scheduler-hints which is proposed for havana-1 21:37:40 ttx: that ones been updated 21:37:46 ttx: just a minute ago 21:38:01 as well as a couple others on this list 21:38:02 hmm, it's still proposed 21:38:12 is LP eventually consistent ? 21:38:26 hmmm 21:38:33 jgriffith: what did you update on it ? 21:38:43 ttx: https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-1 21:38:58 ttx: doh! 21:39:12 jgriffith: it needs to have the series goal set to "havana". Stupid LP doesn't link series to milestones 21:39:22 my main gripe with it 21:39:38 Also don't forget to set priorities for already-accepted stuff 21:39:44 jgriffith: How is your Havana plan coming along ? Expecting a lot more changes ? 21:40:04 ttx: I think things are solidifying 21:40:23 ttx: this list is a pretty good summary of the summit 21:40:25 jgriffith: next week should be mostly good ? 21:40:38 I don't expect many changes between now and then 21:40:47 OK. Anything more about Cinder ? 21:41:16 #topic Nova status 21:41:20 russellb: o/ 21:41:23 hi 21:41:25 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/havana 21:41:34 Looking quite good ! 21:41:35 i've been working on this pretty aggressively 21:41:45 You still have a lot in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/havana/+setgoals 21:41:58 i'd say it's most of the way there, but i need to do another pass on summit stuff this week, so should be in good shape by next week 21:42:03 in +setgoals, I've reviewed all of them 21:42:11 i dont want to approve any that are still there for one reason or another 21:42:45 i have some cleanup to do on blueprints where the milestone has been set, but they haven't been accepted into the havana series ... 21:42:45 you could reject them. That will just unset the proposed series goal 21:42:48 that quirk is annoying. 21:43:01 ah ok, but they'll still show up in milestones right? :( 21:43:17 ah. uh. yes. 21:43:29 but ok, yeah, will continue cleaning up 21:43:46 How is the plan coming along ? A lot more work to do on it ? 21:43:58 not too much more 21:44:03 i think havana-1 is too aggressive right now 21:44:13 and i need to do a pass on notes from last week to see what we've missed 21:44:15 wow, indeed :) 21:44:18 will be done this week 21:44:23 we'll review h1 next week 21:44:33 will be a good time to postpone and retarget 21:44:33 notes from summit, not last week 21:44:49 Any question on Nova ? 21:45:32 thanks 21:45:33 russellb: once done would be great to have an email to -dev with the main Nova Havana themes 21:45:40 ttx: good call 21:45:46 I know people really loved those in Grizzly 21:45:55 #topic Heat status 21:45:55 ttx: was also thinking of including a list of stuff we've discussed as important/valuable, but with no known assignee 21:46:06 o/ 21:46:06 russellb: yes, good stuff 21:46:11 shardy: hi, welcome ! 21:46:15 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/havana 21:46:20 ttx: thanks :) 21:46:45 Don't forget to set target milestones to give an indication of when stuff is likely to land 21:47:00 Should I consider everything in "Unknown" status to be actually "Not started" ? 21:47:06 Yep, planning to do that tomorrow after our meeting, need info from people 21:47:10 (i can fix it for you) 21:47:23 ttx: I changed most to Not started a few mins ago 21:47:35 maybe I missed some ;) 21:47:41 Will fix 21:47:45 thanks 21:47:54 also instance-users has no priority 21:48:00 How complete is that plan ? Reflecting the current known state ? 21:48:09 Ok will fix instance-users 21:48:34 I think it's pretty close, I need to add a few sub-bps related to open-api-dsl, but otherwise nearly there I think 21:48:53 sounds good 21:48:53 Questions about Heat ? 21:49:28 #topic Horizon status 21:49:32 gabrielhurley: hey 21:49:38 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/havana 21:49:41 \o 21:49:59 Same here... Should I consider everything in "Unknown" status to be actually "Not started" ? 21:50:05 I just set "not started" on everything that was "unknown" for you ;-) 21:50:12 like, right just now 21:50:23 like JUST right now 21:50:32 Could you explain why https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/d3 is "essential" for the release ? 21:50:34 as in actually truly just this moment 21:50:36 ;-) 21:50:55 ttx: it's essential because it is replacing a number of one-offs and will be used to build several other blueprints in this release 21:50:55 see, you get original questions :) 21:51:08 It must get done, and must be as soon as possible 21:51:14 that makes it "essential" right? 21:51:27 also, I love original questions :-) 21:51:31 yeah, and being targeted to h1 makes it not dangerous to me, so ok 21:51:46 I've been through this a few times. I know how to make you happy. :-D 21:52:12 * markwash studies 21:52:14 You addressed all I had on my little notebook 21:52:23 one thing I do want to point out 21:52:59 I've got some interesting things I need to bring to the table with the larger community/TC in the next week regarding what we're doing with API versions, keystone's catalog, and the clients. The discussion started on the ML, but we need a path forward ASAP. 21:53:14 gabrielhurley: +1 21:53:18 gabrielhurley: i like that topic 21:53:37 So expect more from me on the ML. I'm aiming to have a proposal which the community can then implement across all the projects/clients 21:53:49 awesome 21:53:53 gabrielhurley: link to the thread ? I could add it to the meeting minutes 21:54:20 I'll have to find the link later 21:54:23 but I'll get it to you 21:54:47 #help please participate to the thread that Gabriel started on API versions discovery 21:54:51 Anything more on the Horizon ? 21:55:24 gabrielhurley: oh. How complete is that havana list at this point ? 21:55:24 ah, ttx: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/008127.html 21:55:33 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/008127.html 21:55:34 ttx: the list is complete as I see it 21:55:46 awesome, first past the post 21:55:47 it encompasses the themes for havana and everything talked aboutat the summit 21:56:10 Looks like we are done.. 5 min in advance. Easy. Room for at least two more integrated projects :) 21:56:19 sweet! 21:56:32 Anything else, anyone ? 21:56:56 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/entrypoints-plugins 21:57:11 mordred: still want to tackle that? ^^^ 21:57:12 I'd like to know if anyone knows why that's stalled .. 21:57:23 and how could we get it moving again 21:57:48 matiu: let's catch up with mordred on that, can do it out of meeting 21:57:48 matiu: you should ping mordred off-meeting and sync with russellb 21:57:57 ttx: jinx :) 21:57:59 will do :) 21:58:02 alrighty 21:58:03 #endmeeting