21:02:16 <ttx> #startmeeting project
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21:02:21 <ttx> #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting
21:02:35 <ttx> Three weeks away from havana-1, let's see what those Havana roadmaps look like, and look into more details in havana-1 plans
21:02:43 <ttx> #topic General stuff
21:02:43 <eglynn> ttx: I'm here for jd__
21:02:48 <ttx> eglynn: awesome
21:02:53 <ttx> Grizzly doc was released last week
21:02:59 <ttx> apevec: around ?
21:03:46 <ttx> markmc: no apevec, any idea on how is 2013.1.1 looking so far ?
21:04:03 <markmc> ttx, not since http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007273.html
21:04:10 <markmc> ttx, but apevec is running the show :)
21:04:31 <markmc> #link 2012.2.4 call for testing: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007273.html
21:04:32 <ttx> so there are stable/grizzly branches frozen and candidate tarballs out... ready for publication on Thursday
21:05:05 <markmc> doh
21:05:10 * markmc totally mixed up
21:05:16 <markmc> wasn't there a call for testing last week?
21:05:29 <russellb> all my grizzly patches getting -2'd now!  </3
21:05:30 <ttx> There /might/ be a security issue to include in it, need to talk to apevec (but you heard nothing)
21:05:42 <ttx> annegentle, jeblair/mordred, sdague/davidkranz: News from Docs/Infra/QA teams ?
21:05:45 <markmc> #link 2013.1.1 call for testing - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-May/008585.html
21:05:55 * annegentle thinks
21:06:04 <mordred> ttx: I just told the TC - but we'll be using LTS+Cloud Archive for testing things instead of "latest ubuntu"
21:06:12 <annegentle> Doc team meeting next Tuesday (morning for me, who knows for you)
21:06:21 <mordred> we do not believe it will make a noticable difference, since most of our depends come from PyPI
21:06:31 <annegentle> We have a stable/grizzly branch now for openstack-manuals
21:06:56 <ttx> Anything else to mention before we go per-project ?
21:07:07 <sdague> ttx: nothing major here
21:07:28 <ttx> #topic Oslo status
21:07:32 <ttx> markmc: hi again
21:07:36 <ttx> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/havana
21:07:41 <markmc> howdy stranger
21:07:46 <ttx> General Havana plan looks good.
21:07:51 <markmc> I tidied up more bps today
21:08:02 <ttx> I don't see any new library publication in that plan, is that intentional ?
21:08:11 <markmc> good point
21:08:17 <markmc> nothing concrete at the moment
21:08:21 <ttx> NOTHING escapes me
21:08:28 <markmc> the messaging work is probably not going to be ready for release in this cycle
21:08:44 <markmc> I'd love to do e.g. oslo.rootwrap in this release
21:08:49 <markmc> but you're hesitant
21:09:04 <ttx> indeed, want to decide on the python snippet exec stuff first
21:09:08 <markmc> also pbr and hacking may fall under oslo during this release
21:09:13 <markmc> if monty and I figure that out
21:09:14 <markmc> or not
21:09:16 <ttx> but converging quantum-rootwrap takes all my rootwrap time
21:09:27 <ttx> Looking into havana-1 now:
21:09:30 <ttx> #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/havana-1
21:09:40 <ttx> Good progress, nothing to add
21:09:40 <markmc> ok
21:09:47 <markmc> the delayed translation stuff needs looking at
21:09:51 <markmc> the current patch is stalled
21:09:55 * markmc hoping to dig tomorrow
21:10:06 <markmc> the message security stuff is optimistic for h-1
21:10:14 <markmc> but simo is making great progress, has reviews up
21:10:16 <ttx> markmc: OK, you can mark blocked stuff blocked if you want to raise alarms
21:10:23 <markmc> we might get the oslo stuff in by then
21:10:36 <markmc> common client library I haven't looked at yet
21:10:40 <ttx> markmc: Anything more to add ?
21:10:43 <markmc> nope
21:10:45 <ttx> Questions about Oslo ?
21:11:04 <ttx> #topic Keystone status
21:11:07 <dolphm> o/
21:11:09 <ttx> dolphm: o/
21:11:13 <ttx> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/havana
21:11:19 <simo> markmc: I have new patches to push btw, split into one more generic util and 2 rpc sepcific
21:11:25 <ttx> dolphm: Looks good too.
21:11:30 <markmc> simo, great
21:11:35 <simo> and working on a Key server which hopefully dolphm will adopt in keystone :)
21:11:38 <ttx> dolphm: You mentioned x509 external auth at the summit... is that for havana ?
21:12:02 <dolphm> ttx: yes, that's scoped in pluggable-remote-user
21:12:14 <ttx> ah, ok
21:12:21 <dolphm> which i currently have targeted to havana-m3, but it could move up, and it shouldn't be too much work
21:12:37 <ttx> Havana-1 plan is at https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-1
21:13:02 <ttx> Looks good to me
21:13:41 <ttx> dolphm: if your roadmap is mostly set, you could fire a "Havana plans" email to the list, with the big themes. I know people appreciated those when we did them in Grizzly
21:13:49 <dolphm> ttx: absolutely
21:13:54 <ttx> Anything more about Keystone ?
21:14:14 <dolphm> regarding bug 1168726 having a backport to 2013.1.1 ...
21:14:15 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1168726 in keystone/grizzly "default_domain_id breaks the ability to map keystone  to ldap" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1168726
21:14:49 <dolphm> we still haven't come to a consensus around a solution that is realistically backportable, so while the conversation continues, we've pinged the openstack user's list for feedback on our 2 proposed solutions
21:15:20 <dolphm> as-is, stable/grizzly is broken for ldap/AD deployments that are not allowed to modify/add to their schema
21:15:41 <ttx> dolphm: you'll have to see with apevec if the fix can make it to that snapshot. Otherwise it will be in the next one, not a big deal
21:15:59 <dolphm> ttx: thanks, that's it
21:16:25 <ttx> dolphm: he /might/ be willing to delay one day or two if that's what it takes...
21:16:35 <ttx> #topic Ceilometer status
21:16:40 <ttx> eglynn: o/
21:16:45 <ttx> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/havana
21:16:45 <eglynn> havana BPs are drafted and almost all assigned: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/havana
21:16:54 <eglynn> highest priority BP not yet taken is hbase-related https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/hbase-metadata-query
21:16:56 <ttx> 42 blueprints, impressive
21:17:02 <eglynn> (not a tier-1 DB for us yet)
21:17:06 <eglynn> but I expect shengjie min will take it
21:17:10 <ttx> eglynn: Hmm... "Essential" means that we can't release Havana without that feature being in, which leads to me being a pain tracking progress for that specific blueprint
21:17:10 <eglynn> (I'll speak to him about tmrw, he's in my TZ)
21:17:22 <eglynn> yes, it seems over-prioritized to me also
21:17:23 <ttx> eglynn: Could you explain why sqlalchemy-metadata-query and hbase-metadata-query are "Essential" to the success of the Havana release ?
21:17:53 <eglynn> I would argue the case that maybe reflects the view of individual contributors
21:17:53 <ttx> eglynn: ok, so maybe downgrade to High
21:18:03 <eglynn> (with an interest in those features)
21:18:10 <eglynn> ttx: yep, agreed, will do
21:18:23 <eglynn> otherwise we're in good shape for h1
21:18:24 <ttx> My next remark is that it would be great to have a bit more milestone targets set so that we know when features are expected to hit
21:18:35 <ttx> In particular alarm-api sounds pretty advanced at this point
21:18:52 <eglynn> ttx: yes, we'll look at assigning to individual milestones this week
21:19:00 <ttx> Otherwise looks good... Looking into havana-1 plan now
21:19:05 <ttx> #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-1
21:19:13 <ttx> Looks fine and in good progress to me
21:19:29 <ttx> eglynn: anything you wanted to mention ?
21:19:46 <eglynn> yep, warm fuzzies on all the h1 work ... nothing further from me
21:19:49 <ttx> Questions on Ceilometer ?
21:20:04 <ttx> #topic Swift status
21:20:07 <notmyname> hi
21:20:08 <ttx> notmyname: o/
21:20:11 <ttx> #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.8.1
21:20:19 <ttx> Is the status on this page accurate ?
21:20:25 <ttx> multi-region and proxy-affinity-writes look started to me :)
21:20:29 <notmyname> hmm..conf.d configs has been merged, but isn't there
21:21:01 <notmyname> ya, multi-region was mostly done in the grizzly release
21:21:09 <notmyname> it's a meta-task for the few backend ones
21:21:35 <ttx> hmm, got disconnected, reasking
21:21:38 <notmyname> marked as "good progress"
21:21:39 <ttx> Still no ETA for 1.8.1 release ?
21:21:54 <notmyname> no, I don't have a date for 1.8.1 at this time
21:22:09 <ttx> OK, anything you wanted to raise ?
21:22:35 <notmyname> 2 things
21:22:48 <notmyname> 1) reviews are getting longish again
21:23:02 <notmyname> we need people to review (including myself /confession)
21:23:22 <notmyname> 2) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/API is WIP for swift api definitions
21:23:46 <ttx> notmyname: how has the team meeting been going so far ? usually a good thing to start building team spirit and reviewers motivation
21:24:16 <notmyname> team meetings are fine. we probably had our best one ever this week
21:24:36 <ttx> ok... Questions on Swift ?
21:25:09 <ttx> #help Swift reviewers to review more !
21:25:15 <ttx> #topic Glance status
21:25:22 <ttx> markwash: o/
21:25:26 <ttx> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/havana
21:25:29 <markwash> ahoyhoy
21:26:02 * ttx cleans up superseded bp
21:26:10 <markwash> ah, thanks!
21:26:20 <ttx> A bit more milestone targeting cannot hurt, otherwise looks good
21:26:34 <ttx> During the summit you explored rolling DB migrations... I don't see that in any blueprint yet ?
21:26:59 * markwash struggles
21:27:16 <markwash> the rolling db migrations task really needs an example migration
21:27:23 <markwash> but none of our immediate plans are calling for migrations
21:27:40 <markwash> fortunately, I've been in communication with mike perez about making some progress towards this goal in cinder as well during havana
21:27:46 <ttx> markwash: fair enough :)
21:27:52 <ttx> Looking into havana-1 plans @ https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-1
21:28:04 <ttx> LGTM
21:28:18 <markwash> since we have only 3 weeks left, some of that will probably slide
21:28:33 <markwash> there has been some design discussion investment over the past weeks
21:28:41 <markwash> I expect it will pay off in the later milestones
21:28:48 <ttx> markwash: you can also push a "havana plans" email to the -dev list
21:28:56 <ttx> Anything more on Glance ?
21:29:02 <markwash> yes, should be in a position to do that, but maybe not until next week
21:29:17 <ttx> no hurry, so far only Swift did one
21:29:18 <markwash> not frome me
21:29:39 <ttx> #topic Quantum status
21:29:50 <ttx> markmcclain: hi!
21:29:54 <markmcclain> hi
21:29:55 <ttx> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/havana
21:30:16 <ttx> wow, lots of recent activity there
21:30:24 <markmcclain> yep :)
21:30:45 <ttx> Result looks good
21:30:53 <ttx> markmcclain: seeing the end of the tunnel ?
21:31:18 <markmcclain> for naming? yes.. will submit a list of name for vetting
21:31:28 <ttx> oh no, for the havana roadmapping
21:32:07 <hub_cap> heh naming is harder than roadmapping
21:32:07 <markmcclain> for roadmap yes.. this is the bulk of what the team has agreed on
21:32:17 <ttx> Looking at the havana-1 plan @ https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/havana-1
21:33:05 <markmcclain> I'm a little concerned about the amount of proposed work and the time remaining… told the team yesterday that we should retarget items to later milestones
21:33:05 <ttx> looks like good progress overall, ambitious goals (24 blueprints)
21:34:03 <ttx> yes, we can look into that in the next meetings
21:34:07 <ttx> Anything else on Quantum ?
21:34:16 <markmcclain> not from me
21:34:46 <ttx> markmcclain: feel free to send that "roadmap" email to -dev too :)
21:34:51 <ttx> #topic Cinder status
21:34:56 <ttx> jgriffith: o/
21:34:59 <ttx> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/havana
21:35:20 <markmcclain> ttx: will do
21:35:22 <jgriffith> o/
21:35:30 <ttx> jgriffith: Could you set priority on those 3 Undefined blueprints ?
21:35:39 <ttx> Also there are still 4 proposed @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/havana/+setgoals
21:35:57 <ttx> Otherwise the list is in pretty good shape!
21:36:06 <jgriffith> K... I'll take care of those items
21:36:09 <ttx> Looking into https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-1 now
21:36:25 <ttx> Looks good to me, although a bit late, if that status is accurate
21:36:40 <jgriffith> Yeah, serious time crunch coming up
21:36:49 <jgriffith> but I think we're going to make it
21:36:56 <jgriffith> will adjust next week if things don't look better
21:37:05 <ttx> sure
21:37:11 <ttx> Anything more in Cinder ?
21:37:20 <jgriffith> nope
21:37:29 <ttx> #topic Nova status
21:37:31 <ttx> jgriffith: thx!
21:37:35 <ttx> russellb: o/
21:37:38 <ttx> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/havana
21:37:40 <russellb> hi
21:37:52 <ttx> Still looking good :)
21:37:55 <russellb> this is list is as complete as it can be at this point
21:38:04 <russellb> i'm sure we'll have more trickle in over time, as usual ...
21:38:15 <russellb> havana-1 is overly ambitious, but we have a lot of optimistic devs :)
21:38:36 <ttx> yes, there are always changes... the trick is to overcome the pile-up of new bleprints
21:38:54 <ttx> At the summit there were talks about addressing feature gaps in Cells... couldn't find a blueprint about that
21:39:01 <russellb> yeah, it's not there
21:39:12 <russellb> i didn't put anything on here that doesn't have someone committed to doing it
21:39:18 <russellb> there are probably 100 other open blueprints not on this list
21:39:26 <ttx> sounds good to me
21:39:37 <ttx> just making sure it wasn't overlooked
21:39:44 <ttx> #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-1
21:39:52 <russellb> well, not overlooked, just ... nobody stepping up
21:40:25 <ttx> 35 blueprints is certainly ambitious :)
21:40:27 <russellb> i still owe a roadmap post/email
21:40:33 <russellb> yeah, 35 is half of the list
21:40:45 <ttx> db-enforce-unique-keys (High) depends on db-api-tests (Low) -- should I bump db-api-tests to High ?
21:40:55 <russellb> yes
21:40:58 <ttx> (was wondering if that one was not actually already completed)
21:41:10 <ttx> bumping
21:41:12 <russellb> it's probably getting close, has been being worked on in a bunch of small steps
21:41:26 <ttx> "baby steps", would markmc say
21:41:29 <russellb> yup
21:42:06 <ttx> Looks like we'll have some deferring work to do once those optimistic devs meet reality :)
21:42:11 <ttx> Otherwise looks good to me
21:42:14 <ttx> Any question on Nova ?
21:42:21 <russellb> thanks!
21:42:34 <ttx> #topic Heat status
21:42:34 <russellb> it would have been worse
21:42:38 <shardy> o/
21:42:40 <russellb> i foced a lot of deferrals already
21:42:42 * russellb shuts up
21:42:45 <ttx> shardy: hi
21:42:57 <ttx> russellb: when will they learn?
21:43:01 <ttx> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/havana
21:43:18 <ttx> shardy: Looks good, would be nice to generally have more milestone targets set
21:43:28 <ttx> That's indicative and can be changed in the future... really helps to see if you're overcommitting on any given milestone
21:43:57 <shardy> ttx: sure, still figuring out who's committed to doing what, quite a few new contributors arriving or promised
21:44:02 <ttx> You also have one blueprint proposed @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/havana/+setgoals
21:44:14 * shardy looks
21:44:46 <shardy> accepted
21:44:47 <ttx> Was also looking for the autoscaling API stuff... is there a blueprint covering it ?
21:45:09 <shardy> ttx: not atm, I'm waiting to see if those requesting the features turn up with some dev resources
21:45:21 <ttx> that's wise
21:45:26 <ttx> volume-snapshots looks implemented to me ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28054/
21:45:45 <shardy> yep, I think the patch landed yesterday, or maybe today
21:45:52 <ttx> will update
21:45:57 <ttx> Your havana-1 plan @ https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-1 looks good to me
21:46:31 <ttx> (added volume-snapshots to h1 and marked it implemented)
21:46:37 <shardy> thanks
21:46:38 <ttx> Questions about Heat ?
21:47:31 <ttx> shardy: can you look into those milestone targets before next week ? Will probably result in a few additions to the havana-1 plan
21:47:44 <shardy> ttx: ok will do
21:47:51 <ttx> #topic Horizon status
21:47:54 <gabrielhurley> yo
21:47:56 <ttx> shardy: thx!
21:48:00 <ttx> gabrielhurley: hey
21:48:03 <ttx> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/havana
21:48:10 <gabrielhurley> the plan hasn't changed since last week
21:48:15 <gabrielhurley> but progress has been made
21:48:20 <gabrielhurley> I think everything in H1 will land
21:48:24 <ttx> This is how I like it
21:48:28 <gabrielhurley> me too
21:48:29 <ttx> Looks good, as does your havana-1 plan @ https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-1
21:49:01 <ttx> So it looks like we'll have around 300 blueprints targeted for Havana cycle
21:49:08 <gabrielhurley> I think you mean 30
21:49:13 <gabrielhurley> oh
21:49:15 <ttx> (total)
21:49:17 <gabrielhurley> 300 across everyone
21:49:32 <ttx> up from 233 completed in grizzly
21:49:39 <gabrielhurley> that's a heck of a lot of stuff
21:50:01 <ttx> http://status.openstack.org/release
21:50:20 <ttx> gabrielhurley: anything you wanted to mention ?
21:50:32 <gabrielhurley> nope, stuff to discuss with the Horizon team specifically, but no concerns for the community at large. Good progress.
21:50:45 <ttx> Rocking and rolling
21:50:49 <gabrielhurley> always
21:50:55 <ttx> #topic Open discussion
21:51:09 <gabrielhurley> ttx: shouldn't you do an "incubated projects" section again?
21:51:15 <ttx> We'll probably open a topic for incubated projects here, next week
21:51:26 <ttx> 10 projects was waayyy too easy
21:51:31 <gabrielhurley> Just wanted to make sure we didn't short-change RedDwarf and Ironic ;-)
21:51:45 <ttx> nah, I need to give them extra notice about it
21:51:58 <ttx> they are busy drinking right now
21:52:08 <ttx> anything else, anyone ?
21:52:30 <ttx> hub_cap, devananda: around ?
21:52:52 <gabrielhurley> is that gonna be the next hit slang? "man, I drank so much last night... I was Incubated!"
21:53:01 <devananda> ttx: here
21:53:04 <Vek> haha
21:53:17 <hub_cap> hai
21:53:22 <ttx> devananda: just wanted to mention, next week we'll add a topic to the meeting to cover incubation progress
21:53:26 <ttx> hub_cap: ^
21:53:41 <hub_cap> great! id love some guidance
21:53:44 <ttx> That's generally where we try to mentor you through things
21:53:52 <hub_cap> can i have a big brother/ big sister?
21:53:58 <hub_cap> :D
21:53:59 <devananda> ttx: awesome! yes, will be much appreciated :)
21:54:06 <ttx> hub_cap, devananda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTLguide is a good start
21:54:17 <devananda> i've been reading that already
21:54:30 <hub_cap> me2
21:54:34 <ttx> as is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle
21:55:19 <hub_cap> ok thanks ttx will look @ that too
21:55:34 <hub_cap> i think ive got things ironed out on LP but i prolly missed a checkbox here or there
21:55:46 <ttx> ideally we switch to external release management (i.e. me handling your release) at the second or third milestone
21:56:12 <hub_cap> ttx: awesome more work for u!
21:56:22 <ttx> time for the CI stuff to be aligned
21:56:48 <ttx> That's about it for now :)
21:56:49 <hub_cap> ill add that to the list of things i want to chat u up, and i think that id like to add devananda to that chat
21:56:57 <ttx> All I can think of at this late hour
21:57:08 <ttx> Maybe time for a quick question
21:57:10 <hub_cap> sure, ive got ~6 items to ask u about in a few days
21:57:12 <ttx> if you have any
21:57:25 <hub_cap> naw dont want to occupy mroe time, im good for the next few days, business as usual
21:57:44 <reed> is everybody going to ask.openstack.org to see if they can show off their knowledge answering questions?
21:57:47 <hub_cap> the question i have are more open ended discussion type Qs
21:57:50 <ttx> hub_cap: if you already have those questions, maybe email is the most efficient way to get to me (if you're in PST)
21:58:02 <ttx> OK then... let's close this
21:58:03 <hub_cap> ttx: ok should i email the entire tc list?
21:58:23 <ttx> hub_cap: no, ask me
21:58:26 <hub_cap> kk
21:58:33 <hub_cap> thx again all
21:58:36 <ttx> will redirect if needed
21:58:40 <hub_cap> roger
21:58:41 <ttx> #endmeeting