21:02:16 #startmeeting project 21:02:17 Meeting started Tue May 7 21:02:16 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:02:18 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:02:21 The meeting name has been set to 'project' 21:02:21 #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting 21:02:35 Three weeks away from havana-1, let's see what those Havana roadmaps look like, and look into more details in havana-1 plans 21:02:43 #topic General stuff 21:02:43 ttx: I'm here for jd__ 21:02:48 eglynn: awesome 21:02:53 Grizzly doc was released last week 21:02:59 apevec: around ? 21:03:46 markmc: no apevec, any idea on how is 2013.1.1 looking so far ? 21:04:03 ttx, not since http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007273.html 21:04:10 ttx, but apevec is running the show :) 21:04:31 #link 2012.2.4 call for testing: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007273.html 21:04:32 so there are stable/grizzly branches frozen and candidate tarballs out... ready for publication on Thursday 21:05:05 doh 21:05:10 * markmc totally mixed up 21:05:16 wasn't there a call for testing last week? 21:05:29 all my grizzly patches getting -2'd now! There /might/ be a security issue to include in it, need to talk to apevec (but you heard nothing) 21:05:42 annegentle, jeblair/mordred, sdague/davidkranz: News from Docs/Infra/QA teams ? 21:05:45 #link 2013.1.1 call for testing - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-May/008585.html 21:05:55 * annegentle thinks 21:06:04 ttx: I just told the TC - but we'll be using LTS+Cloud Archive for testing things instead of "latest ubuntu" 21:06:12 Doc team meeting next Tuesday (morning for me, who knows for you) 21:06:21 we do not believe it will make a noticable difference, since most of our depends come from PyPI 21:06:31 We have a stable/grizzly branch now for openstack-manuals 21:06:56 Anything else to mention before we go per-project ? 21:07:07 ttx: nothing major here 21:07:28 #topic Oslo status 21:07:32 markmc: hi again 21:07:36 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/havana 21:07:41 howdy stranger 21:07:46 General Havana plan looks good. 21:07:51 I tidied up more bps today 21:08:02 I don't see any new library publication in that plan, is that intentional ? 21:08:11 good point 21:08:17 nothing concrete at the moment 21:08:21 NOTHING escapes me 21:08:28 the messaging work is probably not going to be ready for release in this cycle 21:08:44 I'd love to do e.g. oslo.rootwrap in this release 21:08:49 but you're hesitant 21:09:04 indeed, want to decide on the python snippet exec stuff first 21:09:08 also pbr and hacking may fall under oslo during this release 21:09:13 if monty and I figure that out 21:09:14 or not 21:09:16 but converging quantum-rootwrap takes all my rootwrap time 21:09:27 Looking into havana-1 now: 21:09:30 #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/havana-1 21:09:40 Good progress, nothing to add 21:09:40 ok 21:09:47 the delayed translation stuff needs looking at 21:09:51 the current patch is stalled 21:09:55 * markmc hoping to dig tomorrow 21:10:06 the message security stuff is optimistic for h-1 21:10:14 but simo is making great progress, has reviews up 21:10:16 markmc: OK, you can mark blocked stuff blocked if you want to raise alarms 21:10:23 we might get the oslo stuff in by then 21:10:36 common client library I haven't looked at yet 21:10:40 markmc: Anything more to add ? 21:10:43 nope 21:10:45 Questions about Oslo ? 21:11:04 #topic Keystone status 21:11:07 o/ 21:11:09 dolphm: o/ 21:11:13 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/havana 21:11:19 markmc: I have new patches to push btw, split into one more generic util and 2 rpc sepcific 21:11:25 dolphm: Looks good too. 21:11:30 simo, great 21:11:35 and working on a Key server which hopefully dolphm will adopt in keystone :) 21:11:38 dolphm: You mentioned x509 external auth at the summit... is that for havana ? 21:12:02 ttx: yes, that's scoped in pluggable-remote-user 21:12:14 ah, ok 21:12:21 which i currently have targeted to havana-m3, but it could move up, and it shouldn't be too much work 21:12:37 Havana-1 plan is at https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-1 21:13:02 Looks good to me 21:13:41 dolphm: if your roadmap is mostly set, you could fire a "Havana plans" email to the list, with the big themes. I know people appreciated those when we did them in Grizzly 21:13:49 ttx: absolutely 21:13:54 Anything more about Keystone ? 21:14:14 regarding bug 1168726 having a backport to 2013.1.1 ... 21:14:15 Launchpad bug 1168726 in keystone/grizzly "default_domain_id breaks the ability to map keystone to ldap" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1168726 21:14:49 we still haven't come to a consensus around a solution that is realistically backportable, so while the conversation continues, we've pinged the openstack user's list for feedback on our 2 proposed solutions 21:15:20 as-is, stable/grizzly is broken for ldap/AD deployments that are not allowed to modify/add to their schema 21:15:41 dolphm: you'll have to see with apevec if the fix can make it to that snapshot. Otherwise it will be in the next one, not a big deal 21:15:59 ttx: thanks, that's it 21:16:25 dolphm: he /might/ be willing to delay one day or two if that's what it takes... 21:16:35 #topic Ceilometer status 21:16:40 eglynn: o/ 21:16:45 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/havana 21:16:45 havana BPs are drafted and almost all assigned: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/havana 21:16:54 highest priority BP not yet taken is hbase-related https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/hbase-metadata-query 21:16:56 42 blueprints, impressive 21:17:02 (not a tier-1 DB for us yet) 21:17:06 but I expect shengjie min will take it 21:17:10 eglynn: Hmm... "Essential" means that we can't release Havana without that feature being in, which leads to me being a pain tracking progress for that specific blueprint 21:17:10 (I'll speak to him about tmrw, he's in my TZ) 21:17:22 yes, it seems over-prioritized to me also 21:17:23 eglynn: Could you explain why sqlalchemy-metadata-query and hbase-metadata-query are "Essential" to the success of the Havana release ? 21:17:53 I would argue the case that maybe reflects the view of individual contributors 21:17:53 eglynn: ok, so maybe downgrade to High 21:18:03 (with an interest in those features) 21:18:10 ttx: yep, agreed, will do 21:18:23 otherwise we're in good shape for h1 21:18:24 My next remark is that it would be great to have a bit more milestone targets set so that we know when features are expected to hit 21:18:35 In particular alarm-api sounds pretty advanced at this point 21:18:52 ttx: yes, we'll look at assigning to individual milestones this week 21:19:00 Otherwise looks good... Looking into havana-1 plan now 21:19:05 #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-1 21:19:13 Looks fine and in good progress to me 21:19:29 eglynn: anything you wanted to mention ? 21:19:46 yep, warm fuzzies on all the h1 work ... nothing further from me 21:19:49 Questions on Ceilometer ? 21:20:04 #topic Swift status 21:20:07 hi 21:20:08 notmyname: o/ 21:20:11 #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.8.1 21:20:19 Is the status on this page accurate ? 21:20:25 multi-region and proxy-affinity-writes look started to me :) 21:20:29 hmm..conf.d configs has been merged, but isn't there 21:21:01 ya, multi-region was mostly done in the grizzly release 21:21:09 it's a meta-task for the few backend ones 21:21:35 hmm, got disconnected, reasking 21:21:38 marked as "good progress" 21:21:39 Still no ETA for 1.8.1 release ? 21:21:54 no, I don't have a date for 1.8.1 at this time 21:22:09 OK, anything you wanted to raise ? 21:22:35 2 things 21:22:48 1) reviews are getting longish again 21:23:02 we need people to review (including myself /confession) 21:23:22 2) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/API is WIP for swift api definitions 21:23:46 notmyname: how has the team meeting been going so far ? usually a good thing to start building team spirit and reviewers motivation 21:24:16 team meetings are fine. we probably had our best one ever this week 21:24:36 ok... Questions on Swift ? 21:25:09 #help Swift reviewers to review more ! 21:25:15 #topic Glance status 21:25:22 markwash: o/ 21:25:26 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/havana 21:25:29 ahoyhoy 21:26:02 * ttx cleans up superseded bp 21:26:10 ah, thanks! 21:26:20 A bit more milestone targeting cannot hurt, otherwise looks good 21:26:34 During the summit you explored rolling DB migrations... I don't see that in any blueprint yet ? 21:26:59 * markwash struggles 21:27:16 the rolling db migrations task really needs an example migration 21:27:23 but none of our immediate plans are calling for migrations 21:27:40 fortunately, I've been in communication with mike perez about making some progress towards this goal in cinder as well during havana 21:27:46 markwash: fair enough :) 21:27:52 Looking into havana-1 plans @ https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-1 21:28:04 LGTM 21:28:18 since we have only 3 weeks left, some of that will probably slide 21:28:33 there has been some design discussion investment over the past weeks 21:28:41 I expect it will pay off in the later milestones 21:28:48 markwash: you can also push a "havana plans" email to the -dev list 21:28:56 Anything more on Glance ? 21:29:02 yes, should be in a position to do that, but maybe not until next week 21:29:17 no hurry, so far only Swift did one 21:29:18 not frome me 21:29:39 #topic Quantum status 21:29:50 markmcclain: hi! 21:29:54 hi 21:29:55 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/havana 21:30:16 wow, lots of recent activity there 21:30:24 yep :) 21:30:45 Result looks good 21:30:53 markmcclain: seeing the end of the tunnel ? 21:31:18 for naming? yes.. will submit a list of name for vetting 21:31:28 oh no, for the havana roadmapping 21:32:07 heh naming is harder than roadmapping 21:32:07 for roadmap yes.. this is the bulk of what the team has agreed on 21:32:17 Looking at the havana-1 plan @ https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/havana-1 21:33:05 I'm a little concerned about the amount of proposed work and the time remaining… told the team yesterday that we should retarget items to later milestones 21:33:05 looks like good progress overall, ambitious goals (24 blueprints) 21:34:03 yes, we can look into that in the next meetings 21:34:07 Anything else on Quantum ? 21:34:16 not from me 21:34:46 markmcclain: feel free to send that "roadmap" email to -dev too :) 21:34:51 #topic Cinder status 21:34:56 jgriffith: o/ 21:34:59 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/havana 21:35:20 ttx: will do 21:35:22 o/ 21:35:30 jgriffith: Could you set priority on those 3 Undefined blueprints ? 21:35:39 Also there are still 4 proposed @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/havana/+setgoals 21:35:57 Otherwise the list is in pretty good shape! 21:36:06 K... I'll take care of those items 21:36:09 Looking into https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-1 now 21:36:25 Looks good to me, although a bit late, if that status is accurate 21:36:40 Yeah, serious time crunch coming up 21:36:49 but I think we're going to make it 21:36:56 will adjust next week if things don't look better 21:37:05 sure 21:37:11 Anything more in Cinder ? 21:37:20 nope 21:37:29 #topic Nova status 21:37:31 jgriffith: thx! 21:37:35 russellb: o/ 21:37:38 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/havana 21:37:40 hi 21:37:52 Still looking good :) 21:37:55 this is list is as complete as it can be at this point 21:38:04 i'm sure we'll have more trickle in over time, as usual ... 21:38:15 havana-1 is overly ambitious, but we have a lot of optimistic devs :) 21:38:36 yes, there are always changes... the trick is to overcome the pile-up of new bleprints 21:38:54 At the summit there were talks about addressing feature gaps in Cells... couldn't find a blueprint about that 21:39:01 yeah, it's not there 21:39:12 i didn't put anything on here that doesn't have someone committed to doing it 21:39:18 there are probably 100 other open blueprints not on this list 21:39:26 sounds good to me 21:39:37 just making sure it wasn't overlooked 21:39:44 #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-1 21:39:52 well, not overlooked, just ... nobody stepping up 21:40:25 35 blueprints is certainly ambitious :) 21:40:27 i still owe a roadmap post/email 21:40:33 yeah, 35 is half of the list 21:40:45 db-enforce-unique-keys (High) depends on db-api-tests (Low) -- should I bump db-api-tests to High ? 21:40:55 yes 21:40:58 (was wondering if that one was not actually already completed) 21:41:10 bumping 21:41:12 it's probably getting close, has been being worked on in a bunch of small steps 21:41:26 "baby steps", would markmc say 21:41:29 yup 21:42:06 Looks like we'll have some deferring work to do once those optimistic devs meet reality :) 21:42:11 Otherwise looks good to me 21:42:14 Any question on Nova ? 21:42:21 thanks! 21:42:34 #topic Heat status 21:42:34 it would have been worse 21:42:38 o/ 21:42:40 i foced a lot of deferrals already 21:42:42 * russellb shuts up 21:42:45 shardy: hi 21:42:57 russellb: when will they learn? 21:43:01 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/havana 21:43:18 shardy: Looks good, would be nice to generally have more milestone targets set 21:43:28 That's indicative and can be changed in the future... really helps to see if you're overcommitting on any given milestone 21:43:57 ttx: sure, still figuring out who's committed to doing what, quite a few new contributors arriving or promised 21:44:02 You also have one blueprint proposed @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/havana/+setgoals 21:44:14 * shardy looks 21:44:46 accepted 21:44:47 Was also looking for the autoscaling API stuff... is there a blueprint covering it ? 21:45:09 ttx: not atm, I'm waiting to see if those requesting the features turn up with some dev resources 21:45:21 that's wise 21:45:26 volume-snapshots looks implemented to me ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28054/ 21:45:45 yep, I think the patch landed yesterday, or maybe today 21:45:52 will update 21:45:57 Your havana-1 plan @ https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-1 looks good to me 21:46:31 (added volume-snapshots to h1 and marked it implemented) 21:46:37 thanks 21:46:38 Questions about Heat ? 21:47:31 shardy: can you look into those milestone targets before next week ? Will probably result in a few additions to the havana-1 plan 21:47:44 ttx: ok will do 21:47:51 #topic Horizon status 21:47:54 yo 21:47:56 shardy: thx! 21:48:00 gabrielhurley: hey 21:48:03 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/havana 21:48:10 the plan hasn't changed since last week 21:48:15 but progress has been made 21:48:20 I think everything in H1 will land 21:48:24 This is how I like it 21:48:28 me too 21:48:29 Looks good, as does your havana-1 plan @ https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-1 21:49:01 So it looks like we'll have around 300 blueprints targeted for Havana cycle 21:49:08 I think you mean 30 21:49:13 oh 21:49:15 (total) 21:49:17 300 across everyone 21:49:32 up from 233 completed in grizzly 21:49:39 that's a heck of a lot of stuff 21:50:01 http://status.openstack.org/release 21:50:20 gabrielhurley: anything you wanted to mention ? 21:50:32 nope, stuff to discuss with the Horizon team specifically, but no concerns for the community at large. Good progress. 21:50:45 Rocking and rolling 21:50:49 always 21:50:55 #topic Open discussion 21:51:09 ttx: shouldn't you do an "incubated projects" section again? 21:51:15 We'll probably open a topic for incubated projects here, next week 21:51:26 10 projects was waayyy too easy 21:51:31 Just wanted to make sure we didn't short-change RedDwarf and Ironic ;-) 21:51:45 nah, I need to give them extra notice about it 21:51:58 they are busy drinking right now 21:52:08 anything else, anyone ? 21:52:30 hub_cap, devananda: around ? 21:52:52 is that gonna be the next hit slang? "man, I drank so much last night... I was Incubated!" 21:53:01 ttx: here 21:53:04 haha 21:53:17 hai 21:53:22 devananda: just wanted to mention, next week we'll add a topic to the meeting to cover incubation progress 21:53:26 hub_cap: ^ 21:53:41 great! id love some guidance 21:53:44 That's generally where we try to mentor you through things 21:53:52 can i have a big brother/ big sister? 21:53:58 :D 21:53:59 ttx: awesome! yes, will be much appreciated :) 21:54:06 hub_cap, devananda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTLguide is a good start 21:54:17 i've been reading that already 21:54:30 me2 21:54:34 as is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle 21:55:19 ok thanks ttx will look @ that too 21:55:34 i think ive got things ironed out on LP but i prolly missed a checkbox here or there 21:55:46 ideally we switch to external release management (i.e. me handling your release) at the second or third milestone 21:56:12 ttx: awesome more work for u! 21:56:22 time for the CI stuff to be aligned 21:56:48 That's about it for now :) 21:56:49 ill add that to the list of things i want to chat u up, and i think that id like to add devananda to that chat 21:56:57 All I can think of at this late hour 21:57:08 Maybe time for a quick question 21:57:10 sure, ive got ~6 items to ask u about in a few days 21:57:12 if you have any 21:57:25 naw dont want to occupy mroe time, im good for the next few days, business as usual 21:57:44 is everybody going to ask.openstack.org to see if they can show off their knowledge answering questions? 21:57:47 the question i have are more open ended discussion type Qs 21:57:50 hub_cap: if you already have those questions, maybe email is the most efficient way to get to me (if you're in PST) 21:58:02 OK then... let's close this 21:58:03 ttx: ok should i email the entire tc list? 21:58:23 hub_cap: no, ask me 21:58:26 kk 21:58:33 thx again all 21:58:36 will redirect if needed 21:58:40 roger 21:58:41 #endmeeting