21:01:09 <ttx> #startmeeting project 21:01:09 <openstack> Meeting started Tue May 6 21:01:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:01:11 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:01:13 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'project' 21:01:19 <ttx> We'll once again abuse the meeting today to discuss final Juno Design Summit scheduling 21:01:27 <markwash> o/ 21:01:30 <ttx> Agenda at: 21:01:31 <ttx> #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting 21:01:36 <ttx> Should be a quick one 21:01:36 <dtroyer> o/ 21:01:43 <ttx> #topic Design Summit schedule finalization 21:01:55 <ttx> We need to produce something near-final by EOD today, so that the summit org crew can start working on session signage 21:02:06 <ttx> It's fine to make last-minute changes after that if we need to, but we'll have to communicate all those changes 21:02:19 <ttx> I'd suggest post to the -dev ML if you update anything, and i'll make sure the crew gets the news 21:02:31 <ttx> We are still missing the Barbican schedule because for some reason Jarret isn't recognized as lead by the app 21:02:39 <ttx> jraim: got my email ? 21:02:59 <jraim> ttx: yep. Just replied with our sessions. 21:03:22 <mikal> . 21:04:18 <ttx> jraim: do you have time after the meeting (will end early) so that we work on this ? 21:04:35 <jraim> ttx sure. 21:04:47 <ttx> Everyone else: Any change or conflict you'd like to discuss ? 21:05:09 <mikal> I'm not tracking any 21:05:16 <jeblair> none from infra 21:05:21 <mestery> Nothing from neutron 21:05:27 <mtreinish> nothing from qa 21:05:31 * SergeyLukjanov here, reading scrollback 21:05:33 <david-lyle> none for Horizon 21:05:37 <dolphm> A federation design session conflicts with one a federation-related topic from the main conference: http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/ab0966f5ec41f78e929effd499e0286f conflicts with http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/11b6f75c349b0bffe204e3cb2880d4c0 ... 21:05:42 <kgriffs> none for marconi 21:05:51 <dolphm> was hoping to trade the Thursday 11:50a timeslot with a Thursday 4:10p timeslot (Cinder, Oslo, QA, Sahara, Swift) 21:05:57 <ttx> dolphm: could you swap a few slots now ? 21:06:17 <dolphm> i'd like to get keystone people into that main conference session if possible 21:06:27 <ttx> hmm, let me see how that could work 21:07:15 <SergeyLukjanov> SlickNik, could you probably swap "clustering future" slot with something earlier to avoid conflict with sahara? (we've agreed on prev. summit to tru help on this topic) 21:07:38 <ttx> dolphm: you could swap it with oslo's 3:10pm slot 21:08:08 <dhellmann> ttx: some of the keystone folks need to be in that session 21:08:15 <ttx> arh 21:08:23 <dhellmann> the 4:10 slot might work better 21:08:25 <jeblair> HA! there's a conference talk about infra scheduled _during_ an infra session. 21:08:49 <dolphm> dhellmann: that's the only option on thursday that i see that wouldn't be compromising something (for keystone, anyway) 21:08:49 <eglynn> ttx: just to clarify ... further scheduling changes are fine without any special actions by when exactly, EoD today? (or first thing Euro-time tmrw?) 21:09:01 <ttx> dolphm: swap with Horizon Friday 10:50am ? 21:09:13 <SlickNik> SergeyLukjanov: There's a Replication talk earlier in the user summit that some trove folks are involved with that makes that hard to do. :( 21:09:20 <ttx> eglynn: first thing EU time tomorrow 21:09:20 <sdague> jeblair: yeh, well my talk is scheduled during QA track. Conflicts happen :) 21:09:40 <david-lyle> dolphm: horizon session at 3:30 Wed? 21:09:45 <dolphm> ttx: that works, but would prefer thursday 21:09:55 <eglynn> ttx: cool thanks! (I've got an oslo track conflict I'm trying to work around) 21:10:16 <dhellmann> eglynn: if dolphm and I swap, the suggestion I made for the time change for you won't be available 21:10:22 <dolphm> david-lyle: we have *another* main conference session on horizon on thursday, that we're hoping to use to drive some stakeholders into this design session, so that won't work 21:10:23 <SergeyLukjanov> SlickNik, probably with one of the first two slots? (testing and scheduling automated tasks service) 21:10:29 <ttx> dolphm: trying to find a slot to swap from that has the same QA/infra/docs maping 21:10:56 <dolphm> ttx: have a link to your google doc handy? 21:10:58 <jeblair> sdague: the infra talk is not being presented by an infra contributor, so it's not an urgent conflict; just interesting. would have liked to see that one. ;) 21:11:04 <eglynn> dhellmann: darn! ... so what would be available in its stead? 21:11:05 <ttx> dolphm: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmUn0hzC1InKdGNXcWlWX0FIekQxbUtvRVlnVF9IV3c&usp=drive_web#gid=5 21:11:50 <ttx> dolphm: swap with Oslo Tuesday 11:50am ? 21:12:02 <ttx> err 21:12:11 <dhellmann> eglynn: nevermind, I had my days mixed up -- you're talking about wed and I'm talking about thurs 21:12:19 <ttx> dolphm: swap with Oslo wednesday 11:00am ? 21:12:37 <eglynn> dhellmann: ... cool, np, I'll continue checking that potential rejiggering so 21:12:56 <dolphm> ttx: this session needs to follow a 9:50a thursday main conference session 21:13:03 <dhellmann> ttx: what's the other half of that swap? 21:13:20 <ttx> dolphm: no Wednesday, not Friday, that limits the options 21:13:30 <dolphm> ttx: friday is alright 21:13:31 <clarkb> jeblair: have a link? 21:13:40 <ttx> dhellmann: Keystone Thursday 11:50am 21:14:40 <jeblair> clarkb: openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/956b69c8f72eb37e8f0f89400b2f8f57 21:14:56 <jeblair> clarkb: thursday 11:50am 21:15:04 <jeblair> seems to be a common trouble spot 21:15:22 <ttx> dolphm: if dhellmann is OK with it, we could swap slots with Thursday 4:10pm 21:15:34 <dolphm> ttx: that'd be ideal for me 21:15:40 <clarkb> jeblair: that does sound interesting. would also be neat if they collaborated with us :) 21:15:41 <dhellmann> ttx, dolphm : that would work for me 21:15:48 <dolphm> success 21:15:53 <dolphm> dhellmann: ttx: thanks 21:16:03 <ttx> just increases the overlap between Oslo and infra (and reduces overlap between Oslo and QA) 21:16:29 <ttx> dolphm, dhellmann: ok let me update the DB 21:16:30 <dhellmann> hmm 21:16:34 <dhellmann> hang on 21:16:39 * ttx hangs 21:16:40 <jeblair> ttx: which oslo slot is going in there? 21:16:44 <SlickNik> SergeyLukjanov: There's 2 trove sessions that are overlapping that makes this hard "Running HA Trove" at 9:50, and "Introduction to OpenStack Trove" at 11:00 21:16:52 <ttx> jeblair: rpc proxy(oslo.messaging) 21:17:01 <jeblair> i think we can live with that 21:17:03 <dhellmann> that's the rpc proxy session, for which I need some of the neutron team I think 21:17:07 <dhellmann> and moving it conflicts 21:17:08 <SlickNik> SergeyLukjanov: Will moving it out later to the afternoon help with the scheduling? 21:17:24 <SergeyLukjanov> SlickNik, nope, sahara sessions starting afternoon :) 21:17:30 <ttx> dhellmann: does it ? 21:17:33 <SergeyLukjanov> SlickNik, let's keep it as is 21:17:38 <ttx> dhellmann: ah yes 21:17:41 <jeblair> but if anyone needs a thursday 11:50 slot i'd be happy to give it up 21:17:49 <SergeyLukjanov> SlickNik, I'll ask someone from sahara community to attend this session anyway 21:18:26 <dolphm> there's a neutron session (modular layer2 agents) at 11:50a which would then conflict with oslo's rpc proxy 21:18:29 <dhellmann> ttx: let me see if I can move something else 21:18:42 <dhellmann> dolphm: yeah, those 2 groups are going to overlap a lot 21:19:24 <dhellmann> moving oslo stuff around is pretty hard this time -- lots of overlap, by its nature 21:19:43 <ttx> dolphm, dhellmann: Friday's 2:10pm one ? 21:19:56 <dolphm> david-lyle: any problems moving horizon's devops session to thursday @ 11:50a ? 21:20:13 <dhellmann> ttx: that might be easier to move, if the slot works for dolphm 21:20:30 <ttx> dhellmann: argh no 21:20:30 * david-lyle looking 21:20:40 <ttx> dhellmann: that would double book two of my sessions 21:20:43 <dhellmann> ttx: how about 4:00 friday? 21:20:54 <dolphm> hrmph - the main conference is over friday, correct? 21:21:04 <ttx> dolphm: yes 21:21:04 <dhellmann> dolphm: yeah 21:21:06 <dolphm> bah, maybe friday isn't an option for this 21:22:00 <ttx> dolphm: running out of options, I'll let you suggest 21:22:42 <david-lyle> dolphm: 11:50 Thurs for 10:50 Fri? 21:22:56 <dolphm> david-lyle: just realized friday is less than ideal :( 21:23:24 <ttx> If you have other questions about the Design Summit (or anything else related to next week), please ask 21:23:32 <ttx> Note that you are all invited to the "Meet the PTLs and TC" session of the Ops meetup: 21:23:37 <ttx> #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/7f51ddc783eeda1789f31230b22e0444 21:24:07 <ttx> let's continue the slot swapping in open discussion 21:24:10 <ttx> #topic Open discussion 21:24:11 <mestery> ttx: Bummer, that session is during another panel I'm a part of :( 21:24:25 <mikal> LOL 21:24:27 <mikal> Most clashes ever 21:24:32 <ttx> mestery: we can't all be everywhere anyway 21:24:42 <ttx> Note that for Juno-integrated projects, we'll start 1:1s sync points the week after summit. 21:24:44 <dhellmann> next summit, 1 month in paris 21:24:49 <dhellmann> no overlapping tracks 21:24:51 <ttx> eglynn, mikal, zaneb, kmestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: If you could send me UTC times you can regularly make on Tuesdays, ahead of 21:00 UTC, that would be great 21:24:54 <mestery> ttx: Yes, for sure. 21:24:57 <jeblair> dhellmann: ++ 21:25:03 <dolphm> i think i'm going to resort shuffling my own session slots around, which will solve half the audience problem 21:25:14 <ttx> dolphm: that's a lot simpler yes 21:25:26 <dolphm> ttx: simpler but less ideal! 21:25:38 <zaneb> ttx: will do 21:25:40 <ttx> dolphm: apparently there is no ideal solution anyway 21:25:45 <eglynn> ttx: yep, will do 21:25:55 <mikal> ttx: does Monday count as ahead of Tuesday 21:00 UTC? 21:26:06 <mikal> ttx: cause other options kind of suck for me 21:26:11 <ttx> mikal: your Monday soes 21:26:14 <ttx> does 21:26:23 <mikal> Ok, cool. I shall email you options. 21:26:44 <ttx> jraim: we can discuss Barbican schedule now 21:26:49 <jraim> ttx: k 21:27:11 <mikal> ttx: does that mean end of meeting for the rest of us? 21:27:13 <mestery> ttx: Will send you some times offline. 21:27:13 <ttx> jraim: the sessions in your email don't correspond to the suggestions I found on http://summit.openstack.org/ 21:27:27 <ttx> mikal: no, feel free to ask for session swaps if you need some 21:27:34 <ttx> mikal: or drop off if you don't :) 21:27:45 <jraim> that's correct. We combined and moved some things around so that all the topics in on the list could be addressed 21:27:47 <mikal> ttx: I don't need any, but will hang around in case someone needs me for one 21:28:19 <ttx> jraim: shall we enter whole new sessions and scrap the old ones ? Or try to build them from the existing ones ? 21:28:19 <jeblair> i'm offering thursday at 11:50 if anyone needs it (but isn't critical for me) 21:28:26 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, sure, probably, we could use some time slot in our tz 21:28:42 <jraim> I was just going to enter the new ones as the folks working on Barbican will know which topics go where 21:28:54 <jraim> And I was going to post a message to the -dev list with the details 21:28:57 <ttx> jeblair: hey that's my slot! 21:29:17 <jraim> But I'm fine with editing existings if that is easier 21:29:39 <ttx> jraim: let me see if I can fix your access 21:30:05 <jeblair> ttx: yep, it conflicts with the conference talk on infra, but we can watch the video i'm sure. :) 21:30:19 <jraim> ttx: Here is the launchpad info when I log in 21:30:22 <ttx> jraim: you ARE jarret-raim on Launchpad right 21:30:24 <jraim> Full name: Jarret Raim 21:30:24 <jraim> Username: jarret-raim 21:30:24 <jraim> Email address: jarret.raim@rackspace.com 21:30:30 <jraim> yep 21:31:15 <jraim> On the summit.openstack page, once I log in, it says: You are logged in as jarret-raim. 21:31:26 <ttx> weird, that's what I have as lead username 21:31:26 <eglynn> dhellmann: FYI ceilo track now changed as discussed off-line http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/type/ceilometer#.U2lRs4qPXQL 21:31:37 <dhellmann> eglynn: thanks! 21:32:04 <ttx> jraim: i'll enter them all to unblock you. Could you post the description for all of them in some etherpad that I can copypaste ? 21:32:17 <jraim> ttx: sure 21:32:30 <SlickNik> ttx: will check my Tue schedule and get back to you with a good time. 21:33:16 <jraim> ttx: here is the events one: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-events 21:34:25 <ttx> jraim: should I just take the top part (before use cases) as the session description ? 21:34:33 <ttx> it needs to be reasonably short 21:35:14 <jraim> ttx: I can cut these down to a sentence or two real quick so you can just cut and paste 21:35:15 <jraim> one sec 21:35:28 <ttx> jraim: that would be perfect yes 21:37:44 <ttx> If my interaction with jraim is the only thing left in that meeting, we should probably end it and continue that off-meeting 21:38:08 <ttx> jraim: let's move to #openstack-dev 21:38:17 <jraim> ttx: k 21:38:30 <ttx> Last questions, anyone ? 21:38:48 <dolphm> jraim: barbican's sessions are entirely on tuesday, correct? 21:38:59 <ttx> dolphm: yes 21:39:05 <markwash> ttx one quick one 21:39:11 <ttx> markwash: shoot 21:39:18 <markwash> sorry I turned into a zombie for a bit, but am back 21:39:30 * ttx shoots anyway 21:39:39 <markwash> do you know anything about the foundation and mini-summits this next cycle? 21:39:58 <markwash> glance folks are already talking about the next one and we'd like to kick off the planning asap 21:40:16 <mikal> markwash: you mean mid cycle meetups? 21:40:18 <dolphm> markwash: i think we're all in the same boat :) 21:40:21 <ttx> markwash: not sure what the foundation would have to do with it 21:40:22 <dolphm> mikal: ++ 21:40:30 <mikal> markwash: I'd like to announce the timing for the nova one next week, but I think I need more release details first 21:40:40 <dolphm> ttx: we're eager to know milestone dates so we can plan mid-cycle things effectively 21:40:40 <markwash> I thought maybe the foundation would put money in a t-shirt cannon 21:40:44 <markwash> and fire it at the PTLs 21:41:06 <markwash> in the bleachers 21:41:09 <mikal> I feel like the PTLs should negotiate a bit to avoid clashes as well 21:41:16 <jeblair> mikal: we've lost good ptls that way 21:41:23 <mikal> Is there a PTLs list I can post a proposed date to? 21:41:24 <jeblair> markwash: ^ oops 21:42:01 <ttx> dolphm: here is the current state 21:42:04 <ttx> juno-1 is likely to be June 12 or June 19 21:42:11 <ttx> juno-2 could be July 17, July 24 or July 31 21:42:18 <ttx> (trying to avoid July 24 21:42:18 <ttx> which is OSCON week) 21:42:26 <ttx> juno-3 / feature freeze would be September 4 21:42:48 <mestery> ttx: Those tenative dates help for the mid-cycle planning, thanks! 21:42:56 <mikal> Excellent, thanks! 21:43:14 <markwash> okay so foundation -> wrong tree to bark at. no problem! 21:43:24 <dolphm> mikal: dibs on july 9, 10, 11 21:43:27 * markwash stops barking 21:43:37 <ttx> markwash: well, I can ask around 21:43:46 <dolphm> also dibs on the tshirt canon on those dates 21:43:58 <mestery> neutron mid-cycle is tenatively going to be july 9-10-11. 21:44:08 <ttx> ok, anything else ? 21:46:58 <ttx> guess not 21:47:02 <ttx> see you all next week! 21:47:02 <mikal> Sounds like we're done 21:47:06 <mikal> Laters! 21:47:09 <ttx> #endmeeting