21:04:13 #startmeeting project 21:04:14 Meeting started Tue Sep 9 21:04:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:04:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:04:18 The meeting name has been set to 'project' 21:04:19 * devananda lurks 21:04:22 crazy tuesdays 21:04:25 for once it's not infra's fault. well, not directly. ;) 21:04:31 #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting 21:04:51 #topic News from the 1:1 sync points 21:04:54 Here is the log: 21:04:59 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-09-09-11.46.html 21:05:19 We missed Nova due to being in the air, we'll do it after this meeting, or tomorrow 21:05:27 Syncs today were mostly about reviewing the existing FFEs 21:05:32 I think we have final lists now, and almost all should be completed this week. 21:05:43 dhellmann: you wanted to mention something iirc 21:05:48 ah, yes, thanks 21:06:01 "we're trying to have final library releases on 18 sept to give time for testing before the rest of the release candidates" 21:06:03 oslo will be shooting for our final release candidates on 18 sept to give everyone time to run unit tests with them 21:06:09 Back 21:06:19 dhellmann: nice! 21:06:36 is that about the time we should be aiming for coinciding client releases then? 21:06:53 it would be good to stop updating the clients soon, yes 21:07:14 so that we don't create fun regressions at the last minutes 21:07:17 dolphm: good point, I was planning to cut a new ceilometerclient release roughly co-inciding with the juno final tag 21:07:37 eglynn: how about doing it around the juno-rc1 tag ? 21:07:43 so, I'm kind of concerned about dependent libraries getting reved at the end 21:07:46 ttx: that would work 21:07:49 it's supposed to be finished then 21:08:01 ttx: fair point, will do 21:08:01 sdague: rc1 would work, though ? 21:08:08 the process theory is we're in dep freeze when we go into feature freeze 21:08:17 Neutron will need a new client release once the L3 HA BP lands, so likely this weekend 21:08:24 there is a standing exception for client and oslo until rc1 21:08:37 sdague: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DepFreeze 21:08:44 ttx: I do realize that's how it's been 21:09:00 I mean, the sooner the better, but definitely not after RC1 21:09:04 but do realize that means we are now exempting ~30 deps from freeze 21:09:10 sdague: all of the integration tests are running against master already, so the only issues we might have are in the unit testse 21:09:29 dhellmann: or anything we don't hit in integration 21:09:51 there's nothing I can do about untested code 21:09:54 sdague: for oslo that would be frozen on Sep 18 21:10:05 sdague: would you suggest we do the same date for clients ? 21:10:15 ttx: honestly, the sooner the better 21:10:17 we've locked down for feature freeze in oslo already, so we're just working on bugs at this point 21:10:41 sdague: I agree -- not sure the projects can align though. 21:10:47 everyone else: what do you think ? 21:10:49 I think we need to rethink the dep exception for kilo, it adds a lot of variability into the process 21:11:01 clients don't get a lot of love until the server goes into feature freeze anyway 21:11:10 could final client releases be tagged by Sep 18? 21:11:27 ttx: yes, that's reasonable 21:11:30 (unless shit happens that warrants a rev, of course) 21:11:33 that's realistic for keystone 21:11:57 sdague: would you mind posting a thread to the -ML proposig that we do all final revs of clients by Sep 18 ? 21:12:05 ttx: sure 21:12:08 (to align with Oslo) 21:12:41 sdague: cool thx 21:13:07 #action sdague to post to ML to propose that we do all final revs of clients by Sep 18 (same as olso) 21:13:16 #topic Other program news 21:13:20 Any other program with a quick announcement ? 21:14:06 #topic Open discussion 21:14:12 Anything else, anyone ? 21:14:32 it would be useful to have some other PTLs chime in on the "priorities" thread for kilo 21:14:51 * dhellmann looks for the correct subject line 21:15:00 I visited the Design Summit space in Paris and will start working with the event organizer on layouts, which will result in pods/meetup space availability, and then to slot layout 21:15:08 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044766.html 21:15:12 dhellmann: on my TODO list for tomorrow 21:15:24 dhellmann: Same here, it's on the list 21:15:42 dhellman_: Yes, same here - planning to send out an update before tomorrow. 21:16:03 I'll also post about officially skipping the "suggestions website" and encouraging people to join the planning etherpads and team meetings 21:16:20 #action ttx to propose skipping the "suggestions" and go directly to discussion 21:16:37 ttx, mestery, SlickNik: good, thanks 21:16:38 is that ML thread the official decision-making process for kilo priorities? 21:16:38 #info context added: design summit session 21:16:51 eglynn: no, but it's the official start of the discussion 21:17:01 #action PTLs to participate to the Kilo priorities thread 21:17:07 eglynn: the tc asked jogo to start the thread on the -dev list 21:17:16 ttx: ++ 21:17:27 eglynn: it will help decide for cross-project sessions content 21:18:01 ttx: ooh, can we have someplace dry for our pod? :) 21:18:03 /here 21:18:15 jeblair: don't get greedy 21:18:37 * jeblair buys a wetsuit 21:19:09 jeblair: you won't aget a pod 21:19:32 oh, snap 21:19:50 jeblair: there will be a set of pods and a set of signs. len(signs)>len(pods) 21:20:32 so wehn you're a group and need a pod, grab your sign and make a pod yours 21:20:48 if someone else is already there, fight them in the tar pit 21:20:53 * jeblair throws the oslo sign into the fountain 21:21:08 jeblair: ah, you already found the loophole I see 21:21:44 The nova sign has to be bigger than everyone else's 21:21:48 For reasons 21:21:49 ok, anything else to discuss today ? 21:22:04 mikal: actually nova doesn't need a pod, so doesn't have a sign. 21:22:11 mikal: you have sessions running all the time. 21:22:31 ttx: I'm not sure that's a great plan, but we can discuss 21:22:33 your pod is just a 280-seat room. 21:22:34 * dhellmann glares at jeblair 21:22:41 OMG, biggest pod ever 21:22:51 * jeblair hands dhellman a wetsuit 21:22:59 heh 21:23:01 although that may be the neutron pod. 21:23:25 ha! 21:23:26 more brainstorming coming this week once I have the maps 21:23:42 anything else before we close ? 21:24:09 guess not 21:24:12 #endmeeting