08:02:03 <ttx> #startmeeting ptl_sync 08:02:04 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Oct 14 08:02:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 08:02:05 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 08:02:08 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ptl_sync' 08:02:11 <ttx> #topic Nova 08:02:13 <mikal> Heya 08:02:37 <mikal> John is fighting technology, so he might be late 08:02:55 <ttx> hah 08:03:01 <ttx> so, RC2 out 08:03:09 <mikal> Hurrah 08:03:21 <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=juno-rc-potential 08:03:38 <ttx> A few bugs there, but nothing mature enough to justify RC3 I'd say 08:04:15 <mikal> I should read the live migrate one 08:04:20 <mikal> 1377644 08:04:38 <ttx> How up to date are you on the release notes ? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno 08:04:45 <mikal> Oh, that's the exception thing 08:04:54 <mikal> So, I need to start on the release notes 08:04:58 <mikal> Its basically not attempted yet 08:05:18 <mikal> I do have a summary of landed BPs though 08:05:37 <ttx> ok, the sooner the better for the release notes, to avoid last-minute edit conflicts 08:05:38 <mikal> http://www.stillhq.com/openstack/juno/000018.html 08:05:58 <mikal> So, the "Key New Features" section is just that blog post, right? 08:06:04 <mikal> Or do I need to stick with the headings there? 08:06:31 <ttx> no, thta blogpost with a few edits should do 08:06:36 <mikal> Excellent 08:06:39 <mikal> I was hopign that was the case 08:06:46 <ttx> not sure our users care about the migration reserve 08:06:47 <mikal> I will cut and paste that in now then 08:06:53 <mikal> Yeah, fair point 08:06:56 <ttx> and some titles could use a bit of elaboration 08:07:02 <mikal> That's the problem with including literally all 08:07:03 <ttx> but the structure should be the same 08:07:12 <mikal> Well, I shall dump and then iterate 08:07:17 <ttx> exactly 08:07:25 <ttx> it's a good first draft :) 08:08:09 <ttx> starting EOD today we won't respin unless there is some critical issue like catastrophic data loss, or legal problems 08:08:12 <ttx> or missing files 08:08:23 <mikal> Ok 08:08:31 <ttx> "regular" bugs will be documented as known issues 08:08:45 <ttx> so that leaves today to do a RC3 over normal regressions 08:09:07 <ttx> but I wouldn't consider bugs that are not already fixed in master 08:09:13 <mikal> I have seen zero discussion of requiring a rc3 08:09:15 <mikal> So I think we're ok 08:09:22 <ttx> right 08:09:55 <ttx> johnthetubaguy: we were saying nothing justifies a late respin at this point 08:10:27 * johnthetubaguy grumpy that IRC forced him to use webchat 08:10:49 <johnthetubaguy> ttx: mikal: yeah, I haven't seen anyone screaming about something 08:11:09 <ttx> johnthetubaguy: we'll keep an eye on that today. Like I told mikal: 08:11:38 <ttx> starting EOD today we won't respin unless catastrophic dataloss, legal issues, missing files 08:11:56 <johnthetubaguy> ttx: cool, makes sense 08:12:06 <ttx> so that leaves today for "normal" respin -- but we wouldn't consider any backport that's not already in master 08:12:16 <ttx> and lookgin at the list right now, nothing jumps out 08:12:38 <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED 08:13:02 <ttx> we'll keep an eye on that list today just in case 08:13:26 <ttx> OK, anything else ? 08:13:40 <mikal> For the release or in general? 08:13:47 <ttx> in general 08:14:02 <mikal> So, I feel like I need to start paying more attention to the summit schedule 08:14:07 <mikal> But I will get on that ASAP 08:14:25 <johnthetubaguy> mikal: are we going to cover that in some nova-meeting? 08:14:39 <mikal> johnthetubaguy: so, we have a page of ideas 08:14:46 <mikal> johnthetubaguy: we now need to work out how to turn that into a thing 08:14:57 <mikal> johnthetubaguy: which I guess does involve our meetings 08:15:00 <ttx> you need to split the topics between scheduled slots and the meetup basically 08:15:05 <mikal> Yeah 08:15:06 <johnthetubaguy> mikal: yeah, I am thinking we discuss the proposed thing in the nova-meeting, see if people agree 08:15:12 <mikal> Kyle pinged me about the nova-net upgrade path 08:15:17 <mikal> I suggested some shared time on Friday 08:15:24 <mikal> Insteafd of trying to clash with another nova session 08:15:36 <ttx> scheduled slots are good when the discussion is easily timeboxed and would benefit from being advertised on the schedule (needs nova-external input) 08:15:53 <mikal> I am not sure the nova-net thing can be timeboxed 08:16:04 <mikal> I don't have a good read on that 08:16:21 <ttx> "meetup" slots are good for project process discussion, setting cycle priorities at the end of the week etc 08:16:33 <johnthetubaguy> mikal: some shared nova + neutron meet up time sounds good though, even if its a slot where we have nova sessions and no neutron sessions, or something like that 08:16:47 <ttx> a number of things obviously fall in the middle between those two extremes 08:17:07 <mikal> ttx: is neutron two full days of sessions too? 08:17:12 <ttx> so I would split the ideas between 3 groups 08:17:18 <mikal> Or is there a gap we could schedule the upgrade thing into? 08:17:27 <ttx> there is a gap 08:17:33 * ttx shares 08:17:42 <mikal> Last summit there was a spreadsheet of doom 08:17:46 <mikal> Do we have one of those again? 08:18:26 <ttx> yes, see pm 08:18:41 <mikal> Thanks 08:18:52 <ttx> from Wed 1:50pm to Thu 10:30 am, no Neutron session 08:18:53 <mikal> Oh, so Wed arvo might work for example 08:18:54 <mikal> Cool 08:19:42 <ttx> the canonical layout is at http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ now 08:19:56 * ttx spots a few errors in the spreadsheet 08:20:06 <mikal> Oh, nice 08:20:10 <mikal> Fixy fixy 08:20:53 * johnthetubaguy_w lets hope the french don't ban me 08:21:09 <mikal> Why would they? 08:21:12 <mikal> Did you hurt their feelings? 08:21:28 <johnthetubaguy> lol, no idea 08:21:49 <mikal> So, I think we sound like we're done? 08:21:58 <mikal> Apart from me promising to think more on the summit? 08:22:08 <mikal> I also intend to announce a mid-cycle meetup real soon now [tm] 08:22:23 <johnthetubaguy> mikal: let us driver folks know how we can help with that 08:23:16 <mikal> johnthetubaguy: yrp 08:23:19 <ttx> mikal: yes done 08:23:31 <mikal> Basically two companies offered, and then one backed down 08:23:35 <mikal> So the other wins! 08:23:39 <ttx> mikal: does your meetup include skiing ? 08:23:57 <mikal> ttx: no, that's why Company One backed down, too much snow 08:24:08 <mikal> ttx: so we're going somewhere warm and will revisit Company One in Lemming 08:25:11 * johnthetubaguy looks forward to mid-cycle announcement 08:25:13 <ttx> alright then, ttyl 08:25:17 <mikal> Laters! 08:25:20 <johnthetubaguy> bye 11:23:09 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, hey, will any projects have rc3? 11:23:25 <ttx> Heat already had one 11:23:32 <ttx> Trove will likely have one too 11:23:44 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, heh 11:45:02 <eglynn> ttx: knock, knock ... 11:45:27 <ttx> #topic Ceilometer 11:45:42 * ttx is busy looking up fine restaurants 11:45:56 <ttx> eglynn: howdy 11:46:14 <ttx> RC2 is out, a few candidates up for RC3 respin 11:46:15 <eglynn> no shortage of those in Paris :) 11:46:35 <eglynn> cool, I've no reason to think we'll need a ceilo RC3 11:46:42 <eglynn> ... famous last words :) 11:46:45 <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bugs?field.tag=juno-rc-potential 11:47:00 <ttx> 1379808 was proposed for backport by jd__ 11:47:38 <ttx> not sure how blocking it is. It's ont of those that we can't easily backport post-release 11:47:56 <eglynn> yeah he mentioned it to me also 11:48:13 <ttx> we can certainly respin quickly in the next hour(s) 11:48:18 <ttx> if that one is wanted 11:48:34 <ttx> It's certainly self-contained enough and low risk 11:48:55 <eglynn> actually now that I'm giving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1378742 a second look 11:49:31 <eglynn> hmmm, that one might actually justify respining 11:50:11 <eglynn> OK, let's go for it since both are very self contained 11:50:26 <ttx> hmm, ok, let's do it fast 11:50:32 <eglynn> cool, thanks! 11:50:34 <ttx> anything else critical in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED ? 11:51:52 <eglynn> nope, we can live without those 11:52:18 <ttx> eglynn: ok, propose backport for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126871 now 11:52:21 <ttx> and we'll push it 11:52:31 <eglynn> cool, I'm on it 11:52:39 <ttx> approving julien's one 11:53:54 <ttx> eglynn: after this one, we'll respin only on showstoppers that can't possibly be documented as known issues 11:54:00 <ttx> like a legal issue 11:54:06 <ttx> or a missing file in the tarball 11:54:13 <ttx> or some catastrophic failure 11:54:17 <eglynn> got it 11:54:32 <ttx> so after that backport you should finalize https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno 11:54:42 <ttx> and then safely proceed to Kilo design summit session planning :) 11:54:52 <ttx> questions ? 11:55:30 <eglynn> yeah I've already done a first cut on the release notes 11:55:41 <eglynn> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno#OpenStack_Telemetry_.28Ceilometer.29 11:55:51 <eglynn> nothing else from me 11:56:03 <ttx> cool, ping me when you have the backport up 11:57:55 <eglynn> https://review.openstack.org/128249 12:05:49 <ttx> SergeyLukjanov: around? 12:06:57 <ttx> dhellmann: ready when you are 12:24:52 <dhellmann> ttx: sorry, running late this morning but ready now 12:26:39 <ttx> #topic Oslo 12:26:44 <ttx> dhellmann: o/ 12:26:49 <dhellmann> ttx: o/ 12:26:50 <ttx> Any red flag from your side ? 12:27:33 <dhellmann> I think we're fully in Kilo mode. I'm not aware of any major issues. 12:27:38 <ttx> dhellmann: I actually had a question for you about openstack/requirements 12:27:43 <dhellmann> k 12:27:55 <ttx> there seems to be some confusion about the use of it by non-integrated projects 12:28:17 <ttx> random projects asking for additional requirements that are not actually wanted by integrated projects 12:28:43 <ttx> It feels like we supported that in the past but are clamping down 12:28:51 <dhellmann> yeah, they used to need to be included for the mirror 12:29:07 <ttx> but they don't anymore ? 12:29:16 <dhellmann> no, we have a full pypi mirror now 12:29:25 <dhellmann> I forget which package we're using, bandersnatch maybe? 12:29:31 <ttx> so why are they asking ? 12:29:31 <dhellmann> we had built our own before 12:29:43 <dhellmann> there are a couple of reasons 12:29:46 <ttx> do they have some stale requirements check job ? 12:29:58 <dhellmann> the doc team wants to sync requirements into their projects 12:30:08 <dhellmann> they have 10+ repos 12:30:40 <dhellmann> fungi, AJaeger, and I sort of decided yesterday that would be ok to keep doing, since debian at least does build the docs 12:30:41 <ttx> so ideally a project could "consume" common requirements and add extra ones on their side 12:30:54 <dhellmann> well, the way it is built now, it's all or nothing 12:31:05 <dhellmann> hrm, maybe that's not true 12:31:20 <dhellmann> we could have the sync job run but leave the check job out of the project 12:31:34 <ttx> dhellmann: how about we abuse the crossproject meeting today to discuss that a bit ? Unless the release is on fire 12:31:36 <dhellmann> of course that means they couldn't have a different version of anything than we have globally 12:31:56 <dhellmann> that works, although I think the projects that care won't necessarily be in the meeting 12:32:09 <dhellmann> solum was another one that came up 12:32:18 <ttx> sure, it's more so that infra/QA/us are all on the same page before we push that down their throats 12:32:47 <dhellmann> makes sense -- I thought the decision was already more or less agreed to, but let's confirm that instead of me assuming it 12:32:53 <ttx> currently I'm not even sure what to answer them ;) 12:33:01 <ttx> cool. 12:33:04 <ttx> Anything else ? 12:33:37 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, I'm here, sorry for the delay, forgot to enable notifications :( 12:33:45 <dhellmann> I'll remind everyone to send liaisons, but otherwise nothing 12:34:01 <ttx> dhellmann: ok, have a good day then 12:34:05 <ttx> SergeyLukjanov: hi! 12:34:07 <dhellmann> ttx: ditto 12:34:12 <ttx> #topic Sahara 12:34:28 <ttx> SergeyLukjanov: haven't seen anything justifying a RC3 ? 12:34:53 <ttx> Nothing in rc-potential, a few bugs fixed in master but nothing stand out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED 12:35:01 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, we have a regression with direct engine and nova-network, but I don't think that we need to delay release because of it 12:35:18 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, I think we'll test and bacl port it to stable/juno 12:35:27 <ttx> SergeyLukjanov: is that fixed in master already? 12:35:34 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, not yet 12:35:48 <ttx> SergeyLukjanov: ok, then it shall be documented as a known issue in the release notes 12:36:02 <ttx> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno 12:36:07 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, the fix will be not very safe, so, yeah, we'll document it 12:36:21 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, we have release notes draft https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/ReleaseNotes/Juno 12:36:31 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, will move it today to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno 12:36:38 <ttx> sounds good 12:36:51 <ttx> SergeyLukjanov: anything else ? 12:37:02 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, I think nope, everything going well 12:37:21 <ttx> SergeyLukjanov: you'll have to start working on summit agenda 12:37:35 <ttx> dhellmann: that's true for you as well ^ 12:37:39 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, in fact this regression is with the deprecated non-heat engine with custom configs, so, non critical 12:37:53 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, already working on it, should have a good results for the next meeting 12:37:55 <dhellmann> ttx: we've started 12:38:08 <ttx> ok, let me know if you have questions 12:38:34 <ttx> I'll send you all an email with the link to the website where you can update the (tbd) sessions 12:38:49 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, ack, thx 12:38:51 <ttx> when the final schedule is ready 12:40:49 <ttx> mestery, nikhil_k: ping me when around so that we anticipate your need for RC3 13:24:44 <mestery> ttx: pong 13:27:19 <ttx> mestery: hey, wanted to ask you in advance of our sync if you think we'll need a RC3 13:27:31 <ttx> if yes, we want to push it to gate asap 13:27:40 <mestery> It's not looking likely, there were no release critical bugs we as a team could find in our meeting yesterday 13:27:46 <mestery> I think we're good with RC2 being Juno final. 13:28:04 <mestery> A quick search this morning didn't turn anything up either. 13:28:06 <ttx> Someone proposed https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1378525 for backport 13:28:18 <ttx> should we still ignore that ? 13:28:22 <mestery> Yes, we spoke about that one, and we determined it can be release noted. 13:28:25 <mestery> I'll comment in the bug 13:28:51 <ttx> mestery: ok then 13:29:01 <ttx> mestery: we can formally do our sync now if that suits you 13:29:17 <mestery> ttx: Actually, one sec, looking at the bug. 13:29:20 <mestery> It's a 1 line change. 13:29:28 <mestery> Hmmm .... 13:29:38 <mestery> Still not sure it's worth spinning a new release for. 13:29:43 <mestery> And yes, lets sync now. 13:29:48 <ttx> #topic Neutron 13:30:11 <ttx> It's sufficiently self-contained that we can respin on that, if you think it's a critical issue 13:30:47 <mestery> Let me talk to Akihiro, he made a comment about Horizon. 13:30:53 <mestery> I will know in < 1 hour I think once I get a hold of him. 13:31:02 <mestery> I agree, it may be worth respinning just for this bug since it's contained. 13:31:11 <mestery> Shall I propose the cherry-pick in anticipation? 13:31:19 <ttx> it's already cherrypicked 13:31:26 <mestery> Ah, cool. :) 13:31:28 <ttx> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126711/ 13:31:54 <mestery> Perfect. 13:32:02 <ttx> so it's not too disruptive as long as we push it now 13:32:06 <mestery> Right. 13:32:08 <mestery> I'll know soon. 13:32:13 <ttx> <1 hour is probably ok 13:32:26 <ttx> checking https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED for other easy ones 13:33:06 <mestery> Me too 13:33:39 <mestery> Sukhdev asked me to consider this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1373652 13:33:45 <mestery> It's a larger change, but contained to the Arista driver 13:34:03 <mestery> I'm inclined to include that one if you are ok with it. 13:34:07 <ttx> looking 13:34:55 <ttx> more risky 13:35:05 <ttx> also easily backportable imho 13:35:14 <ttx> and documenatble 13:35:17 <mestery> Yeah, lets leave it. 13:35:19 <mestery> I agree 13:35:23 <mestery> and .1 is 6 weeks out or so? 13:35:26 <mestery> So it's fine to land then. 13:35:29 <mestery> With more testing, etc. 13:35:59 <ttx> yeah 13:36:19 <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1232525 maybe 13:36:35 <mestery> https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1365226 also 13:36:39 <ttx> although it's probably just cosmetic 13:37:09 <mestery> Yes to 1232525, it may make backports easier 13:37:13 <mestery> What about 1365226? 13:38:11 <ttx> hmm, was never merged to master ? 13:38:18 * mestery checks again 13:38:34 <mestery> Right 13:38:35 <mestery> Sorry 13:38:36 <mestery> :) 13:38:43 <ttx> bit weird 13:38:57 <ttx> oh, driver removed 13:38:58 <ttx> bah 13:39:05 <ttx> so just one, if you confirm it 13:39:10 <mestery> Yeah 13:39:19 <ttx> unless we also do 1232525 13:39:28 <mestery> Yes, I think 1232525 is good as well 13:39:37 <mestery> I am ok with that one, and I can propose the cherry-pick this morning yet 13:39:53 <ttx> propose it now, add the bug reference to the commit message 13:40:02 <ttx> if it's ready when the other is, it won't delay 13:40:10 <mestery> Ack 13:40:51 <ttx> #info Potential RC3 over 1378525 and 1232525, to be confirmed in the next hour 13:41:48 <ttx> mestery: what's the state of your release notes ? 13:42:11 <mestery> ttx: I was going to release note the L3 HA bug, but now we're merging it. Otherwise, I'll take another run at them today. 13:42:19 <mestery> They are in good shape, but I'll confirm today. 13:43:00 <ttx> ok, then you need to start working on the design summit agenda 13:43:06 <ttx> once the release is mostly done 13:43:21 <mestery> Way ahead of you :) 13:43:25 <mestery> We have that almost wrapped too 13:43:27 <mestery> On an etherpad 13:43:36 <mestery> By end of tomorrow it will be finalized I think 13:43:37 <mestery> :) 13:44:19 <mestery> ttx: https://review.openstack.org/128288 13:45:15 <ttx> mestery: OK, let's wait until we confirm the RC3 13:45:32 <mestery> ttx: Ack 13:45:37 <mestery> But it's in the queue now at least 13:45:48 <ttx> ok then, let me know when you've come to a decision about it 13:46:25 <mestery> ttx: Will do, email out to amotoki. 13:46:31 <mestery> ttx: The default is we don't do it, which is fine too. 13:46:54 <ttx> agreed 13:47:34 <ttx> jgriffith: ready when you are 13:47:39 <mestery> ttx: Thanks! 13:58:33 <mestery> ttx: amotoki just confirmed, RC3 is good to go, lets merge those two fixes. 13:58:59 <ttx> ok, opening 13:59:24 <mestery> ttx: ACK 14:00:57 <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-rc3 14:01:23 <mestery> Looks good ttx, thanks! 14:01:49 <mestery> ttx: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126711/ you can merge this one now or remove your -2. 14:02:02 <mestery> ttx: jinx ;) 14:02:12 <ttx> gating 14:02:24 <ttx> jgriffith: around? 14:02:36 <mestery> ttx: Thanks! 14:02:48 <ttx> will tag as soon as those two merge 14:03:11 <ttx> although there is quite a bit of delay in the post queue right now 14:05:19 <mestery> ttx: Lets hope it makes the journey safely. 14:14:01 <ttx> dolphm: ready when you are 14:14:12 <morganfainberg> ttx, o/ here as well. 14:14:19 <dolphm> ttx: o/ 14:14:22 <ttx> morganfainberg: o/ 14:14:23 <ttx> #topic Keystone 14:14:30 <ttx> Looks like you're good? 14:14:36 <dolphm> i believe so! 14:14:55 <dolphm> no reason for an rc3 at this point 14:15:23 <ttx> so.. by EOD today we'll only respin on show stoppers, like legal issues, missing files in tarballs etc 14:15:50 <ttx> everything else will go to known issues in the release notes 14:16:10 <ttx> Looks like your release notes are mostly ready ? 14:18:58 <ttx> dolphm ? morganfainberg ? 14:19:09 <morganfainberg> ttx, looking at release notes, but i think so 14:19:16 <ttx> OK. How is summit planning going ? 14:19:38 <morganfainberg> ttx, have most of the sessions lined up wiht one open slot to be discussed at the keystone meeting today 14:20:20 <morganfainberg> ttx, descriptions and specific time slots are still variable, at the top of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-keystone-summit-topics i've added a tentative list/schedule 14:21:01 <morganfainberg> when is the "move this stuff to the actual schedule" date? 14:21:01 <ttx> I'll send info on how to push updates to the schedule 14:21:03 <morganfainberg> k 14:21:29 <ttx> date would be between reception of email and one week before summit starts 14:21:41 <morganfainberg> ttx, ack 14:21:55 <ttx> any other question ? 14:22:04 <morganfainberg> i think thats it for me. 14:22:04 <ttx> anything you'd like to discuss at the meeting today ? 14:22:17 <ttx> ok then, talk to you later! 14:22:20 <morganfainberg> oh, once we move to kilo, mind changing this time slot? 14:22:26 <ttx> not at all. 14:22:34 <morganfainberg> it's going to be 0615 for me once we timeshift 14:22:40 <morganfainberg> a bit early :) 14:22:47 <ttx> we'll discuss the reshuffle them all with the DST end anyway 14:22:53 <morganfainberg> sounds good! 14:24:16 <morganfainberg> I'll bring up that keystone team should do a once over on the release notes today at the meeting, but thye look complete to me. 14:25:15 <ttx> david-lyle: ready when you are 14:25:21 <david-lyle> ttx: ready 14:25:26 <ttx> #topic Horizon 14:25:39 <ttx> RC2 is out 14:26:05 <ttx> rc-potential has https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1379761 14:26:31 <david-lyle> yes, this has to be fixed 14:26:59 <ttx> or documented, if we can't get it fixed in time 14:26:59 <david-lyle> can't run Horizon without DEBUG=True in the settings for Django, which is bad 14:27:15 <ttx> david-lyle: how is the fix looking so far ? 14:27:37 <david-lyle> complicating factor is that the broken code is in a dependency 14:27:53 <ttx> I prefer to wait for the fix to land in master before opening formally an RC3 window (prefer not to open windows I don't know how to close) 14:28:07 <david-lyle> may require a monkey patch to get Juno released and fix appropriately upstream 14:28:39 <dolphm> ttx: (bah, sorry for dissappearing, but everything sounds good. thanks morganfainberg!) 14:28:40 <david-lyle> I don't have a fix yet, still working through cleaner ways of working around upstream bug 14:29:22 <david-lyle> I don't mind waiting on the RC3 window until we have a fix 14:29:31 <ttx> hmm, ok 14:29:55 <david-lyle> we can't really release without a fix 14:30:07 <david-lyle> unfortunately 14:30:16 <ttx> is that something we could have detected earlier ? 14:30:40 <david-lyle> most likely, but it's an odd issue 14:30:55 <david-lyle> we needed to run this as a production release 14:31:31 <david-lyle> the upstream code just punted when they didn't really understand django settings 14:32:01 <ttx> david-lyle: ok, so ideally we need that fix propoesed, reviewed and merged today 14:32:11 <ttx> does that look even doable ? 14:32:14 <david-lyle> that's my hope 14:32:33 <david-lyle> it may not be elegant, but we should have something that works 14:32:37 <ttx> that's for some large definition of "today" -- meaning I can get up tomorrow morning and get the backport in 14:33:04 <ttx> so getting it proposed and reviewed by your EOD should be enough 14:33:52 <david-lyle> ok 14:34:10 <ttx> anythign else ? How are your release notes coming up ? 14:34:35 <ttx> hmm, more work needed there but if everything goes ok today you should have time for that tomorrow 14:34:42 <ttx> or find someone to delegate that to 14:34:43 <david-lyle> I have them mostly completed, just a little cleanup and I can add them 14:34:48 <ttx> ok, cool 14:35:02 <ttx> then post-release you can focus on yoru design summit session schedule :) 14:35:07 <ttx> your* 14:35:29 <david-lyle> maybe we'll have that figured out by Nov ;) 14:35:46 <ttx> ok, questions? 14:36:01 <david-lyle> nope 14:36:07 <david-lyle> going to go tackle a bug 14:36:16 <ttx> go go go 14:36:19 <david-lyle> talk to you later 14:36:26 <ttx> ack 14:36:31 <ttx> jgriffith: around now ? 14:51:34 <nikhil_k|afk> ttx: hi 14:51:47 <ttx> nikhil_k: hi! 14:52:05 <ttx> nikhil_k: could we sync early to discuss a potential Glance RC3 ? 14:52:12 <ttx> (i.e. now ?) 14:52:15 <nikhil_k> yeah sure 14:52:21 <nikhil_k> was just saying.. 14:52:24 <ttx> #topic Glance 14:52:26 <nikhil_k> I'm a bit uncertain either way about 14:52:35 <nikhil_k> oh ok :) 14:52:42 <nikhil_k> RC3 ! 14:52:47 <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bugs?field.tag=juno-rc-potential 14:53:05 <ttx> there aren't so many fixed bugs in that list 14:53:20 <ttx> anything that would make it worth our effort ? 14:54:01 <ttx> 1361613 is a doc fix that we could add IF we respinned for other reasons 14:54:47 <nikhil_k> hmm 14:54:48 <ttx> nikhil_k: today is the last day to respin over bugs 14:54:58 <ttx> after that ikt's show stoppers onlyu 14:55:02 <ttx> err 14:55:11 <ttx> "after that it's show stoopers only" 14:55:19 <ttx> damn it :) 14:55:25 <ttx> "after that it's show stoppers only" 14:55:41 <nikhil_k> heh, np 14:55:50 <nikhil_k> we need this one 1380689 14:55:55 <ttx> everything else shall be documented as "known issues" in the release notes 14:55:56 <nikhil_k> https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1380689 14:56:04 <nikhil_k> oh hmm 14:56:51 <ttx> we need it in master asap 14:57:01 <ttx> then if it makes it, we can discuss backporting 14:57:42 <nikhil_k> ttx: ok, let me see if we can make it today 14:57:50 <ttx> So at this point I'd work to get 1361613 and 1380689 in 14:57:52 <nikhil_k> am not sure if people would like to argue over it 14:58:21 <nikhil_k> ttx: sounds good 14:58:31 <nikhil_k> reconvene in a couple of hours? 14:58:46 <ttx> if done in a few hours (merged by the project meeting today) then we could do a respin with 1380552 1361613 1380689 14:59:20 <ttx> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1380552 has a proposed backport already) 15:00:40 <ttx> hmm although it might not be warranted at this point 15:01:09 <ttx> bah, we'll see once you get 1361613 and 1380689 approved and merged 15:01:21 <ttx> #info Potential RC3 over 1361613 and 1380689 15:01:43 <ttx> nikhil_k: yes, will ping you later 15:02:02 <nikhil_k> ttx: thanks for the info! cya in a bit 15:02:06 <ttx> nikhil_k: thx! 15:34:15 <notmyname> ttx: are we on today? 15:34:23 <ttx> notmyname: we are 15:34:26 <ttx> #topic Swift 15:34:31 <notmyname> hello! 15:34:36 <ttx> sorry was busy announcing ceilo rc3 15:34:43 <ttx> How is you RC1 doing 15:34:45 <notmyname> no worries. I don't actually have much 15:34:46 <ttx> your* 15:34:51 <notmyname> other than mea culpa on LP stuff 15:34:58 <ttx> 2 days left :) 15:35:06 <notmyname> everything looks good from what I've seen 15:35:09 <notmyname> for the RC 15:35:12 <ttx> also your release notes section could use some extra love 15:35:15 <notmyname> nothing has come up 15:35:24 <notmyname> ah? what's the link there? 15:35:30 <ttx> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno#OpenStack_Object_Storage_.28Swift.29 15:35:43 <ttx> Key new feature section is a bit empty 15:35:47 <notmyname> oh yeah. that's easy to do 15:35:57 <ttx> that's about it 15:36:14 <ttx> Will promote RC1 on Thursdau morning unless you yell 15:36:24 <notmyname> our plan for the summit is to continue to gather topics this week and start scheduling next 15:36:28 <notmyname> ack 15:36:35 <ttx> sounds good 15:36:53 <ttx> anything you'd like to discuss at the meeting today ? 15:37:12 <notmyname> nothing comes to mind 15:37:27 <ttx> notmyname: alright then 15:37:31 <ttx> talk to you later! 15:37:38 <ttx> jgriffith: around now ? 15:37:38 <notmyname> :-) 15:38:06 <ttx> zaneb: ready when you are 15:51:52 <ttx> no zaneb, no jgriffith ? 15:52:03 <zaneb> I'm here 15:52:09 <zaneb> sorry 15:52:15 <ttx> oh here he is 15:52:18 <ttx> #topic Heat 15:52:19 <zaneb> not sure how I missed that notification 15:52:30 <ttx> Nothing in rc-potential 15:52:37 <zaneb> \o/ 15:52:46 <ttx> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128159/ was proposed for backport, without a bug reference 15:53:16 <ttx> feels like a bit overkill for juno, good to land early i nkilo 15:53:45 <zaneb> yeah, I'm not aware of a reason to rush it 15:53:57 <zaneb> unless it is going to break tests or something 15:54:05 <ttx> anything critical elsewhere justifying a late RC4 ? 15:54:18 <ttx> Note that by EOD today we'll only respin for show stoppers 15:54:31 <ttx> everything else will just be documented as known issue in release note 15:54:36 <zaneb> not that I know of 15:54:46 <zaneb> I think rc3 should be final 15:54:56 <ttx> I'll take that answer and run with it. I have more than enough RC3s baking right now 15:55:23 <ttx> You started working on the release notes, though I suspect they could use extra info 15:55:27 <ttx> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno#OpenStack_Orchestration_.28Heat.29 15:55:39 <ttx> Questions on the release ? 15:56:00 <zaneb> hmm, *I* didn't start that :D 15:56:09 <zaneb> nope, no questions 15:56:34 <ttx> zaneb: ok, so spend some time on release notes asap 15:56:43 <zaneb> will do 15:56:46 <ttx> before you get into locking conflicts 15:56:47 <ttx> Anything you'd like to discuss at meeting today ? 15:56:57 <zaneb> no 15:57:15 <ttx> Once the release is past us, we should work on finalizing the design summit agenda, but that's more for asaskeld 15:57:34 <ttx> zaneb: ok, thx! 15:57:46 <zaneb> yeah, he started an etherpad but there's a bunch more discussion needed 15:57:56 <zaneb> cool, thanks ttx 15:58:28 <ttx> markwash__: I discussed Glance release with nikhil_k earlier 15:58:51 <ttx> considering a RC3 over bugs 1361613 and 1380689 15:59:10 <ttx> but some progress is needed on master instead -- so i'll sync again with Nikhil in a few hours 15:59:24 <ttx> SlickNik, jgriffith: ready when you are 16:03:50 <SlickNik> ttx o/ 16:04:01 <ttx> #topic Trove 16:04:18 <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bugs?field.tag=juno-rc-potential 16:04:52 <ttx> so the second bug is gating 16:04:54 <SlickNik> Just the two I was talking to you earlier about. 16:05:17 <ttx> I think we have time for a RC3 then 16:05:30 <ttx> SlickNik: could you propose both backports ? 16:05:53 <SlickNik> Yup, working on the cherry picks now. 16:05:56 <ttx> that way they will run through check while the last change merges in master 16:05:59 <ttx> cool 16:06:03 <ttx> Let me open RC3 16:07:10 <ttx> It's up https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/juno-rc3 16:07:40 <SlickNik> Let me target the bugs to that. 16:07:52 <ttx> done already 16:08:13 <SlickNik> Awesome, thank you! 16:08:41 <ttx> ok, so get the backports up and I'll take it from there. Keep an eye on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128150/ just in case it needs a recheck 16:09:05 <ttx> then you can switch to updating https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno#OpenStack_Database_service_.28Trove.29 16:09:57 <SlickNik> Cool, sounds good. Thanks so much for your help with this ttx! 16:10:23 <ttx> no problem! cheers 16:10:40 <ttx> SlickNik: hmm wait 16:10:58 <ttx> SlickNik: what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1333852 16:11:49 <ttx> feels like this bug has been flying under the radar 16:12:11 <ttx> anything we can do at this point apart from documenting it as a known issue ? 16:12:22 <ttx> jgriffith: last call 16:13:15 <ttx> jgriffith: I'll be back in a few hours, we can talk then 16:13:22 <SlickNik> ttx: that's a tricky issue. We've talked about it before, but looks like we don't yet have a fix ready. 16:13:53 <SlickNik> ttx: It has API compat implications which make it a bit tricky. 16:14:01 <ttx> SlickNik: ok, so I propose the following: explain why it's a tricky issue, maybe raise priority, and document it as known issue in release notes ? 16:14:18 <ttx> (explanation and raise prio would happen on the LP bug) 16:14:31 <SlickNik> ttx: That sounds good. I will do that. 16:14:57 <SlickNik> ttx: I'll also follow up to see that someone is working on fixing it early in Kilo. 16:15:00 <ttx> ok 16:15:17 <ttx> I think part of the issue here is users feeling like they are not getting any attention 16:15:28 <ttx> due to lack of feedback on that bug 16:15:36 <ttx> SlickNik: thx! 16:15:40 <ttx> #endmeeting